LeopardBoy Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Knowing myself is a balancing act between my own perceptions of myself, and what others around me might tell me they perceive of me. In more than a few cases, I trust my own perceptions of myself over those of my community, because many of my core beliefs are at odds with theirs. In some cases, others see things about me or the way I act that I might not notice unless they bring it to my attention. I also keep in mind that the Delphic maxim that is often translated to "know thyself" is not just a call to introspection, but also a warning against hubris. Knowing yourself is also knowing your limitations, flaws, and any bias you might have that colors your perceptions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, LeopardBoy said: Knowing myself is a balancing act between my own perceptions of myself, and what others around me might tell me they perceive of me. In more than a few cases, I trust my own perceptions of myself over those of my community, because many of my core beliefs are at odds with theirs. In some cases, others see things about me or the way I act that I might not notice unless they bring it to my attention. I also keep in mind that the Delphic maxim that is often translated to "know thyself" is not just a call to introspection, but also a warning against hubris. Knowing yourself is also knowing your limitations, flaws, and any bias you might have that colors your perceptions. Interesting. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark 45 Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 23 hours ago, LeopardBoy said: Knowing myself is a balancing act between my own perceptions of myself, and what others around me might tell me they perceive of me. In more than a few cases, I trust my own perceptions of myself over those of my community, because many of my core beliefs are at odds with theirs. In some cases, others see things about me or the way I act that I might not notice unless they bring it to my attention. I also keep in mind that the Delphic maxim that is often translated to "know thyself" is not just a call to introspection, but also a warning against hubris. Knowing yourself is also knowing your limitations, flaws, and any bias you might have that colors your perceptions. as rev calli would say"spot on". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Rev. Calli Posted September 25, 2017 Moderator Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 On 9/23/2017 at 1:24 AM, VonNoble said: Thank you How do you determine when they have it right? von Greetings to you my brother, When it feels right to me. I have just as much capacity to bs myself as anyone. Fortunately, I have been blessed with good and caring friends who, when I need it, help me to see when I am engaging in acts of self-delusion and, gently, help keep me grounded. In solidarity, Rev. Calli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonNoble Posted September 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Rev. Calli said: Greetings to you my brother, When it feels right to me. I have just as much capacity to bs myself as anyone. Fortunately, I have been blessed with good and caring friends who, when I need it, help me to see when I am engaging in acts of self-delusion and, gently, help keep me grounded. In solidarity, Rev. Calli You are very fortunate that said friends are so caring and GENTLE. We need more if that in the world, no? von Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mererdog Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 On 9/23/2017 at 12:16 AM, VonNoble said: Doesn't ever-changing self exist fully between the breath in and the breath out? I'm not sure I understand the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonNoble Posted September 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 13 minutes ago, mererdog said: I'm not sure I understand the question. I am not sure I have a valid one... Many years ago a meditation teacher told me the present time is only between breaths. We can only know I our current self between the breaths If that is true-then Self exists in the space between breaths. von Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mererdog Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 13 minutes ago, VonNoble said: If that is true-then Self exists in the space between breaths. Ok. Personally, I don't think it is true. Maybe metaphorically, depending on the metaphor, but not literally. I also hold that the present is a cultivated illusion, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonNoble Posted September 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 On 9/21/2017 at 11:48 PM, VonNoble said: Can you really know yourself without feedback from others? Without seeing how others see us... are we not flat .... missing a dimension as it were? von Expand....the easiest person to fool ...is yourself von 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonNoble Posted November 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Another what you project to the world thought I heard yesterday...... The most attractive person in any room....is the happy one True? von Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 I think that depends on the room and why people are there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonNoble Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 12 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said: I think that depends on the room and why people are there. Okay. In what room (gathered for what purpose) would that not be true? von Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, VonNoble said: Okay. In what room (gathered for what purpose) would that not be true? von Most of the time, people are not looking for deep meaningful connections. Just off the top of my head -- a bus, movie theater, locker room, ........... It's not that we are avoiding Human contact. Most of the time we are quietly going about our business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuchulain Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 13 hours ago, VonNoble said: Okay. In what room (gathered for what purpose) would that not be true? von funeral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonNoble Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 52 minutes ago, cuchulain said: funeral. I thought if that too. While it might not be an appropriate time to have thoughts about who is attractive....much of the before and after moments are quietly social. An an attractive person remains attractive even when no one comments on it. Happy is not necessarily laughing. It might be content (as in not negative) ( not griping) (not grumpy).....happy at a funeral does not necessarily mean happy the person is dead. It can mean one accepts the passing with grace and understanding. von Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 hours ago, VonNoble said: I thought if that too. While it might not be an appropriate time to have thoughts about who is attractive....much of the before and after moments are quietly social. An an attractive person remains attractive even when no one comments on it. Happy is not necessarily laughing. It might be content (as in not negative) ( not griping) (not grumpy).....happy at a funeral does not necessarily mean happy the person is dead. It can mean one accepts the passing with grace and understanding. von The happiest people at a funeral are the living. You can break it down from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Brother Kaman said: The happiest people at a funeral are the living. You can break it down from there. Actually, it might be the funeral director getting paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonNoble Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Brother Kaman said: The happiest people at a funeral are the living. You can break it down from there. Not by definition. But fun and clever answer... thx. von Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 9 hours ago, VonNoble said: I thought if that too. While it might not be an appropriate time to have thoughts about who is attractive....much of the before and after moments are quietly social. An an attractive person remains attractive even when no one comments on it. Happy is not necessarily laughing. It might be content (as in not negative) ( not griping) (not grumpy).....happy at a funeral does not necessarily mean happy the person is dead. It can mean one accepts the passing with grace and understanding. von At the risk of coming off as a pig -- I've had the experience of attending church services, looking up at the pastor in the pulpit, and being stunned by her beauty. No, I didn't say anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonNoble Posted November 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said: At the risk of coming off as a pig -- I've had the experience of attending church services, looking up at the pastor in the pulpit, and being stunned by her beauty. No, I didn't say anything. Points to you for honesty....and decorum. von 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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