Jonathan H. B. Lobl

Stay Happy.

The last few years have been a remarkable ordeal. Well, I wish you a happy and healthy new year. Jonathan.

Happy New Year -- 2022.

Play nice. She meant well. May the goddess Apathea continue to ignore you. 🙂

Don't worry. Autocorrect gets all of us -- and your intent was clear.

I see that your device has autocorrect. 😄

Welcome to the board. 🙂

Welcome. Feel at home. Visit often. Enjoy. Jonathan

Welcome back. Of course the board is "insecure". It wouldn't be much of a forum if people can't read it. 🙂 If someone posts -- they've active. People wander in, they wander off. Feel welcome.

I have discovered that there is no such thing as a perfect label for me. A label that answers all questions about me, at all times, under all circumstances. It comes down to context and what question is being asked. I'm a human being. I'm an American. I'm a man. I'm a senior. I'm an arthritic I'm a mammal. These and many more labels apply. In like manner, I have an ethnic and tribal identity. I'm Jewish. Because in a world suffused with antisemitism, how others see me still matters. In like manner, I have my religious labels. I'm an Atheist, because I lack piety and I don't believe. Because I need a reason to believe but I don't need a reason to not believe. Because I actually read the Bible -- both the Hebrew and Greek sections. I'm an Agnostic, because we have no objective verifiable facts about God. Nothing at all. It is silly to argue in a compete absence of facts. Because I would rather talk about what I know instead about what I believe. Because I don't actually know if God exists, I'm not going to find out and I don't worry about it. I'm an Apatheist, because of all the silly pointless things to argue about, God's existence heads the list. A God that cannot be demonstrated to exist is meaningless. Even if that God does exist -- so what? Leave the possibility open? It doesn't matter. In my view, there is no supernatural. If something exists, it is part of the natural order. I despise metaphysics. I have always found prune juice to be a strong enough physic. (That was a joke.) That's enough for now.

I made the foolish mistake of posting something from a "messianic rabbi". It was one of my dumber moves. I thought it might lead to interesting conversation. Imagine my disappointment. I posted some stuff from Jews for Judaism. Another mistake. In loose terms I suppose the subject is the old -- "what is a Jew?" It could be interesting. This has proven to be a bad place for it. It's good to see you again. I have missed your presence on the board. Good Shabbos.

I see that you are still averse to making distinctions. There are many things in life that are worthy of great passion. God is not one of them. Apatheism is for people who are tired of silly and useless arguments about God's existence. A God that cannot be demonstrated to exist is not worth arguing about. Even if that God actually exists. No more arguing about faith or belief. No more arguing about knowledge. It doesn't matter. This is NOT "void of substance". It is an awakening. 😃

I like the word. It fills a need. It's a small need, but a need. When I don't want to argue about belief or knowledge.

Moderna Vaccine Sweden, Denmark Halt Use of Moderna Vaccine for Younger Age Groups Due to Side Effects EUROPEJack Phillips Oct 6, 2021ShareFacebookTwitterCopy LinkComments Medical worker Robert Gilbertson loads a syringe with the Moderna Covid-19 vaccine to be administered by nurses at a vaccination site at Kedren Community Health Center, in South Central Los Angeles, California on Feb. 16, 2021. (APU GOMES/AFP via Getty Images) Swedish health officials on Oct. 6 paused the use of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger people and children after reports of possible side effects including myocarditis, while Denmark also announced that it halted the shot for those under the age of 18. Officials have “decided to pause the use of Moderna’s vaccine, Spikevax, for everyone born in 1991 and later, for precautionary reasons,” reads a statement from the Swedish health agency, according to a translation from Swedish to English. The agency further added there is “an increased risk of side effects such as inflammation of the heart muscle or heart sac,” noting that the risk is “very small.” The agency stated that it now recommends the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine instead for people born in 1991 or later, noting that the decision is valid until Dec. 1. Those from that age group who got the first Moderna dose shouldn’t get a second dose, the agency added. New data from Swedish and other Nordic sources “indicate that the connection is especially clear” between Moderna’s vaccine and side effects “especially after the second dose.” “Both myocarditis and pericarditis often go away on their own, without causing any lasting problems, but suspicious symptoms should be assessed by a doctor at … a health center or emergency room,” the agency stated. But it noted that “medical treatment and monitoring in hospital may be needed in established cases.” China in Focus Weekly Newsletter Find out what's really going on in China By registering for the newsletter, you agree to the Privacy Policy. The Swedish health agency stated earlier in the week that people aged 12 to 15 can only get the Pfizer vaccine. In July, the European Medicines Agency, the European Union’s chief drug regulator, recommended authorizing Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine for children ages 12 to 17. It came months after the Moderna vaccine was given approval for use in anyone aged 18 and older across the 27-nation bloc in January. Both U.S. and European regulators have cautioned that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, which use mRNA technology, are linked to chest pain and heart inflammation in young people and children, although those agencies have frequently said those reactions are rare. In neighboring Denmark, those under the age of 18 can’t be given the Moderna vaccine out of precaution, its health regulators said on Oct. 6. The agency said that data obtained from four Nordic nations show there is a link of an increased risk of heart inflammation when younger people receive the Moderna shots. “Based on the precautionary principle, we will in future only invite children and young people to receive this vaccine, not least in view of the fact that it is for this vaccine that the largest amount of data from use exists for children and young people, especially from the USA and Israel,” Danish health official Bolette Soeborg said in an interview with The Associated Press. COVID-19 is the illness caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus. Moderna officials didn’t immediately respond to a request by The Epoch Times for comment. From The Epoch Times

This thread on Apatheism has gone cold. Does anybody wish to add anything?

Job 17:12 They change the night into day: the light is short because of darkness. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Job 12:22 He discovereth deep things out of darkness, and bringeth out to light the shadow of death. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Job 12:25 They grope in the dark without light, and he maketh them to stagger like a drunken man. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Job 10:22 a land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Temple Madness

I'm going to split a few hairs with you over this. Their ideas are silly. The people themselves are deeply conditioned. Deep conditioning is not silly. It's what happens when a religious culture can't tell the difference between symbolic representations of reality -- and reality. If people want to spend their days, working out the hidden mathematics of Bible Hebrew -- it's their time to waste. Well, that's a little harsh. If it makes them happy, then so be it. Everybody needs a hobby. Ave Satanus.

I followed your link. This blend of Scripture, Kabbalah, Tarot, gematria and physics is not proof of anything. Alright. You believe. I don't argue with what people believe. It is not in any way objective proof for God's existence. Something which you did not define. In any event, this esoteric soup is not evidence.

That's it then. So many come to this board to preach some message or other, then wander off. Some come here looking for a following. Some just do drive by preaching. Good riddance to them.

Do you have anything to offer beside bald assertions; unsupported by anything?

It's a sad thing to be a moderate. We end up being hated by all the extremists. This much I have figured out. If we are not all free to be our selves, then we are all in danger. The pendulum swings. The wheel turns. Power shifts.

I am a poor, miserable choice to be an advocate for the religious. Still, as the saying goes -- there comes a time when we must set aside our values and do what's right. The manuals of mental disorder do not list religion or religious belief. No. Religious belief is not a form of mental illness. I shouldn't have to say this. History is filled with highly intelligent, brilliant minds that were -- are -- deeply religious. I've met a few of them. Being religious is not the same as being weak minded. For that matter, I used to be religious. I think my understanding of such things has improved. In truth, I'm not actually smarter than I was then. We have such a small planet. We have to find ways to share it and live with each other. That includes living with disagreement.