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  2. Oh my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
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  4. The whole thing stinks of pious fraud and **. Lies. All lies. For some reason, fraudulent last words are considered good lies. The disdain for honesty is horrible.
  5. Does anybody know if is true? Alledged last words. Founder of the Church Of Satan, the famous satanist, Anton Szandor LaVey’s last death bed words were, “Oh my, oh my, what have I done! There’s something very wrong, there’s something very wrong, there’s something very wrong!” Voltaire (1694–1778), an atheist, said, “I am abandoned by God and man! I shall go to hell! O Jesus Christ!” David Hume (1711–1776), an atheist, said while dying in utter despair, “I am in the flames!” Thomas Payne (1718–1799), an atheist, said, “I would give worlds, if I had them, if the Age of Reason had never been published. O Lord help me! Christ help me! Stay with me! It is hell to be left alone!” Thomas Scott (1808–1878), an atheist, said, “Until this moment I thought there was neither a God nor a hell. Now I know and feel that there is both, and I am doomed to peridition by the just judgement of the Almighty.” Aleistair Crowley (1875–1974), Englands most wicked man, “I am perplexed. Satan get out.” Eternity is too long to be wrong!!! -- This is floating around Facebook, not my work.
  6. I don't know where to begin. I read the Bible. It is mythology. I do not believe in God. I do not believe in Jesus. I am not afraid of yoga or meditation. I'm all for friendly conversation. I am not looking for an argument.
  7. I mean reality. Your reality and my reality will merge into true reality. The truth. Yes we will all die, and that is part of it, but that part of it we already agree on. You choose not to be afraid. That is where I think realities diverge. You refer to Christianity as hell and damnation, someone else said fearmongering. I mentioned earlier that at some point that at some point it seems there would be a conscern for self preservation. The irony (to me anyway) is that people chose to not believe in Jesus while they are living on his earth, breathing his air, being able to sleep because he allows, drinking water he provides: basically living on daddy's credit card; in this envornment and context they choose to not believe. As a believer I think, "how is it even possible to be that entitled, to say that there is no evidence to believe in Jesus, and to throw such a charade of bravery and rebellion?" I would argue two things: 1) The same serpent that was described as "clever," "subtle," etc. is very skilled at sophistry and very convincing in causing the smart and intelligent disregard certain facts to their own harm and to his enjoyment. 2) This bravery the serpent gives people who are living in God's grace is quite different than what it experienced the first few seconds after leaving here. There, is real fear. Undescribible fear. Unending fear. I think you should listen to the testimonies of people that have experinced hell. I think you should listen to some testimonies of people that have been deliverances from demon spirits. I know its an argument. Im done looking at it like an argument. Its a heartbreaking thing to know that I have freinds that are likely going to experience these horrors. I can only be hopeful something changes.
  8. I expect you mean death? Yes. We will all die. I choose to not be afraid.
  9. Right I agree, however at some point there needs to be a concern for self preservation. The number of people these days coming forward with visions and testimonies of being in hell has greatly increased. The similarities in thier stories is convincing to me, but I do not need any further convincing on that. But the objective seeker of truth cannot ignore and continue to ignore the increasing frequency and number of these testimonies. Also, the deliverance aspect of the ministry. The demonic spirits that are being cast out of a person, they know who Jesus is. They know they have to submit to the command to leave in the name of Jesus. In fact, you can interogate them prior to expelling them. You can get thier name, when they came in, and what they are doing there. But they are very legalist: if the "host" has given them a legal right to be there they will not leave because they do not have to and they know it. The practices that Win was calling out in the video are the doors that people open that allow these demons in. It is sneaky, it is underhanded, and it is heartbreaking. You only have to actually see this once in person and your whole world view will change. Of course people see it and do still reject it but it takes real commitment to remain skeptical.
  10. Only if it's real. I am committed to rejecting fear based content.
  11. See this: http://ulc.net/forum/topic/166695-now-the-serpent/
  12. You may be supprised but we have a complete opposite view on this. This clip was not about fear but about deliverance. Hidden from the world and from most of Christianity is what goes on behind the scenes. What goes on behind the scenes warfare. That is not fear mongering to point that out, it is sharing insight. This warefare is as old as time as we know it. You do not have to live under the power and tyranny of the oppressor, possessor, or destroyer. What you dont know will hurt you.
  13. Fear is at the heart of Christianity. Take out Hell and damnation - what's left? What is the first question an evangelist asks? "Have you been saved?" Of course the whole body of Christian doctrine. God sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself for something that we didn't do - because God is incapable of forgiveness without pain and blood. The appeal is lost on me.
  14. Yeah, the usual bogeyman topics. Fearmongering is so dull, and so overused.
  15. I tried to reach out to Kevin, and have never received a reply. I think it might just be us out here left, honestly.
  16. Another example that God is still healing today. https://youtu.be/Hh72fMRE5qM?si=uQ_4LIzhaYMc1XKM
  17. Yes. One question remains. Why does the HQ site in Modesto still think it's 2006? I've given up hope for the October gathering to resume.
  18. The ULCHQ site is www.ulchq.com. The site that Brother Kevin runs is www.ulc.net. The Monastery (which is the Seattle based ULC) is www.monastery.org or www.getordained.org and www.(The Monastery).
  19. All tribal? I don't know. If I did it would still be over generalizing.
  20. Is that what is seen in tribal and other social constructs where there are no religious texts?
  21. First, a quibble. We are not talking about organized religion. We are talking about institutional religion. What would replace institutional religion? At the risk of being unfair, that is like asking what would replace cancer. We would still be social creatures with mutual interests. I think that we could manage to get by without the supernatural. If all religious texts were lost, what would we really lose? Atheism would be reborn with every independent mind, no matter what it was called.
  22. If organized religion is shelved what would replace it? Even if I were an atheist - which I am not - my answer would be the same. Eventually organized religion(s) would once again appear.
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