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  3. Seeker

    a common atheist fallacy

    Possibly even Dolores.
  4. Greetings to you my sister, This is probably a question you are going to want to ask an attorney licensed in Texas to answer. Either that, or contact the Main Office in Modesto and see if they have any insight about this rule. Since each state has different rules, it's hard for someone like me for example in Wisconsin to know how a rule is interpreted and applied in Texas. In solidarity, Rev. Calli
  5. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    An addendum: That should have been Doloris Krieger. Not Deloris.
  6. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    An emotional response on my part, based on two sets of experience. I have taken workshops with Janet Macray and Deloris Krieger. I actually know something about the subject. Unlike the critics who foam over theory. Yes, foam. I have been harassed out of a few Skeptic groups. They never studied Therapeutic Touch and never had a session -- but they knew. Oh, how they knew. Mean, nasty and vicious hardly covers it. A true fuster cluck. And they always lead off with the Rosa papers -- like a Fundamentalist waving Scripture. Yes, I reacted badly. The slights have been very personal. In the best of all possible worlds, I would respond with equanimity. Alas, I am neither a Buddha nor a saint.
  7. mererdog

    a common atheist fallacy

    Yes. And your response is not that far off from what I got. You insulted the study and its sources, but provided no objective reason to think the study is actually flawed. As if you were responding to a personal slight, rather than a scientific paper
  8. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    Oh. Those studies. Pure gotcha, from Holy warriors defending medical orthodoxy. The worst kind of "skeptic". I didn't respond to your link. You must be thinking of someone else. Are you sure you posted to this board? It's something I would have remembered. As to my opinion of the studies in question …………… They were a touch lacking in objectivity. They are well known.
  9. mererdog

    a common atheist fallacy

    I linked to information about Emily Rosa's Therapeutic Touch studies. It was met with a lot of hostility and ad hominem. I dont remember whether that was from you, specifically, so that's not a personal accusation. Its just why I remember it. It seemed like the reaction was way out of proportion to just a link to a set of research papers.
  10. mererdog

    a common atheist fallacy

    I follow the logic. I disagree with the premise "all fact is determined by evidence." If You don't want me to reply to you, I won't. Provided, of course, that you stop talking about me.
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  12. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    If I understand meredog correctly -- always a big "if" : He is saying that the evidence itself is objective. Interpretation of that evidence is subjective. It's a fine point. It could have been expressed better -- but I don't see bad intentions.
  13. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    I don't remember any evidence. What am I over looking?
  14. cuchulain

    a common atheist fallacy

    if all evidence is subjective, and all fact is determined by evidence...do you not follow? or is this more mind games? i have a hard time believing you don't follow this logic. fact...a thing that is known or proved to be true. proof...evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement. for example, the speed of light has been factually established in comparison to other objects(see relative speed). it was established using objective evidence...relating to or existing as an object of thought without consideration of independant existence. having reality independant of the mind. honestly, my observations of you indicate a person who deliberately stands upstream peeing in the water while others are drinking downstream. i would prefer, since you are immune to the ignore feature, that you no longer respond to my comments. i will do likewise. it's a simple request that of course you will or not acede to.
  15. mererdog

    a common atheist fallacy

    Hey now. I have never said things like "There is no good reason to think that Reiki works." I have simply expressed my personal opinion and presented the evidence that led me to my conclusions. And I have been careful to note that it is simply an opinion, and that the evidence can be explained differently. This is my idea of being fair. Not intellectual purity. Fairness.
  16. mererdog

    a common atheist fallacy

    If you look back, you will find that I said that facts are objective, but that using facts as evidence requires putting them through a subjective process. Evidence is the word we use for the things that cause us to form opinions. This is how we can look at the same fact and consider it evidence for different things. The facts are objective. The evidence cannot be. This does not mean that we cannot learn. It means that learning is a subjective process. It means that we can have all the facts and still come to wrong conclusion. It means that there is no real way to know the answer to the question "Why dont you believe" because it is too subjective a subject.
  17. The Texas Department of Criminal Justice Administrative Directive Number AD-03.42 (rev. 1); Date: July 28/2015; Page 1 of 10: Supersedes: AD-03.42 January 13, 2015 Subject: Offender Marriages; Authority: Tex. Fam. Code §§ 2.001-2.012, 2.202; Tex. Gov't code §§ 493.001, 493.006, 494.002; ED-02.04, "Texas Department of Criminal Justice Fundraising,: AD-03.72, "Offender Property;" TDCJ Visitation Plan; American Correctional Association Standards 4-4293 and 4-4498; Applicability: Texas Dept of Criminal Justice (TDCJ); Policy: Under Procedures: Section II; A Officiant ...shall complete the Application of Person Requesting to Perform Marriage (Attachment A) and submit it to the Access to Courts headquarters at least one week prior to the schedule marriage date. What information is available regarding the subject matter? What are the liability issues for "signing this agreement" for state facility and how does this document relate to "seperation of church and state"? Is the Officiates signature an agreement with the facility a part of the prisoners permanet file? Before, during and after ... what are the liabilty issues (pros and cons) for the officant and how does it effect the permanent record for the individual that is officiating? It has been observed by some individuals (names shall remain unknown) when a person has been incarcerated it is a part of their permanent record and if criminal activity does arise an offender is a suspect then the associates not excluding ministers. What kind of practical measures can be taken for risk management for the church, ministers, volunteers and members when relating to paroles and individuals that have been incarcerated?
  18. Please explain what you mean by "register". With whom, and by what process? As I understand the law, the only relevant purpose would be to secure recognition from the Inland Revenue that you were acting as a charity. There is no list of approved churches in the UK.
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  21. Hello from an older ordained minister but a new user of the forum. I am a Christian Minister in the UK and I am looking to see if we can get regular meeting arranged so that we can register the ULC in the UK as an official church of light and truth without walls. Would anyone be interesting in this?
  22. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    You have watched me have my own heated discussions with meredog. I have become convinced that meredog is a prisoner of his own inhuman standards of intellectual purity. I am persuaded that he has no bad intentions for us. The problem is his standards. I think he's making himself even more miserable with his standards than he's making you. You want to know where meredog stands? On intellectual razor's edge. It's not a good place to stand. A man can really cut himself up. We all have our issues. I urge you to be patient with meredog. He has his issues. We have ours. It's part of being Human. There are times when we all stink. Nothing for it but to try to be kind to each other, and move on.
  23. cuchulain

    a common atheist fallacy

    could be. i tend to try to figuure out where people stand on topics, but with mererdog it changes depending on some unknown, and i let that frustrate me more than it should.
  24. Brother Kaman

    a common atheist fallacy

    ALL of reality is subjective but that, indeed, is a whole nut her thread.
  25. Gail1954

    Hebrew Roots

    You are right it is a christian movement that follows the Torah, Thank you for the correction.
  26. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    In a long past thread, when the discussion was about Agnosticism -- meredog has been purist about what is knowable. I'm not seeing that here. Possibly I'm simply not finding it. I suspect that your reacting to something old that isn't here now. There have been other threads, where people argued that external reality is subjective. I don't see that happening here. Still, sometimes the past echoes. In this instance, I think you're getting stuck on past arguments, instead of current stuff.
  27. cuchulain

    a common atheist fallacy

    knowledge, or purity therein. evidence and the ability to define some as subjective and objective. mererdog seems to say there is no objective. i take that to mean nothing is knowable, but its all opinion. taken to its conclusion, he asserts he cannot learn. so his posts, by this, are all baiting or trolling.
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