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  2. No, evil is the result of sin.. God is good and what He created was good.. But that all changed after the Garden of Eden, paradise was closed for business when sin introduced evil into a world that fell and was separated from good (God). "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good." (Genesis 1:31) The nature of the insect world and everything else in nature was not part of the original creation. The fall of man affected everything, animals suffer the same fate as mankind, everything dies and suffers because of our disobedience to God. So my reply did not omit the second half of your comment, it including it in a general sense. "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7). So the cruelty of nature persist at every level, the weather and everything else changed when mankind was separated from the Tree of Life (Christ).
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  4. The Christian Terrorist Threat of Eternal Hell Fire and Suffering. It's real. Franklin Graham says so. https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/10/17/franklin-graham-atheist-ron-reagan-better-be-afraid-of-burning-in-hell/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Imagine+No+Religion&utm_content=44
  5. That was a nice try. A really nice try. Alas, you have missed the cultural context that Dan is working under. Christian literalists tend to work with the calculations of Bishop Usher. Creation happened in the year 4004 B.C. Jewish fundamentalists do something similar. The Jewish calendar dates back to Creation. This is the year 5780. I don't want to quibble about the details. For Dan, Creation only happened about 6,000 years ago. The Fall took place after the seventh day. Death is an even more recent development. Dan has already explained to us, that he lives in a spiritual reality -- that is different from our reality. I have come to accept this as self evident. He is divorced from our reality. It follows that an argument based on science, facts, logic -- or even external reality -- will fail. Your argument was excellent. Your reasoning was solid. It will fail. Really. It was a nice try. It's Dan. Even pointing out that insect life -- even in Genesis -- was around before the Fall -- won't help. It's Dan.
  6. [...] These views have been my point, you can't believe something you hate... Evil is the result of sin, this isn't God's good creation, its the fallen world. First creation, then corruption, then the curse, which includes thorns, bristles, parasites, mutations, telemarketers, etc. We chose the knowledge of good & evil, suffering and death are the evil side of that equation. Oh no, no, NO! You don't get to cherry-pick my quote (FTFY); you forgot "conveniently" the last half: in your vision/bible it is YOUR god who CREATED all living beings. The spider-wasp - in your vision/bible - is CREATED to inject its eggs into living hosts so her larvae can eat them alive from the inside out (that creator fully KNOWING the imposed suffering). PURE EVIL (not even mentioning his psychopathic and narcissistic morals; having bears maul people over "blasphemy".
  7. You can. You are not trapped in Dan's binary. In that separate reality, there is only one true religion -- which is his -- Which must be loved -- In which we must believe and have faith. All the others are false. It follows that all the followers of these false paths, need correction and instruction in the true path. Because -- God.
  8. There are two separate, distinct issues here. 1. Does God exist? God could exist. There is no good reason to think so -- but God could exist. 2. Is God -- as portrayed in the Bible -- evil? Of course he is. I read the Book. I could say the same thing about other fictional characters. Is Dracula evil? Of course he is. I read the book. These are separate, distinct issues. Since you don't make distinctions, of course, you are confused. Yes. I know. All in or all out. All black or all white. All cold or all hot. The world is not a binary. Some of us do shades of grey. In fact -- a whole rainbow of colors.
  9. I don't hate Shintoism, asatru, Wicca, Judaism...why hate something you don't believe? It's the followers that are loathe some, and the things they do in the name of their religion. And even that is a minority of followers. Most are content to mind their own business.
  10. These views have been my point, you can't believe something you hate... Evil is the result of sin, this isn't God's good creation, its the fallen world. First creation, then corruption, then the curse, which includes thorns, bristles, parasites, mutations, telemarketers, etc. We chose the knowledge of good & evil, suffering and death are the evil side of that equation.
  11. It is beyond depravity. True evil. Remember, the designer would know, in perfect detail, about the resulting suffering. All of it.
  12. Assuming that by " [not] worry[-ing] about others yards" implies you don't even contemplate forcing your ideas onto those others....
  13. For most, there is no way to be "converted". As has been said before: even if there was prove, most atheists wouldn't even want to honour such an evil entity. Just consider those parasitic wasps that inject their eggs into caterpillar and whose larvae eat the poor thing alive from the inside out... What kind of sick being would "design" such a thing...?!?
  14. How to convert an Atheist. Since this thread is about proving the truth of Christianity -- What would it take?
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  16. You have already explained this. A separate spiritual reality. Alright.
  17. Your godfather would be the walking definition of a hypocrite. As I wrote "its up to every individual to align themselves with his teachings and example". "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation" (Hebrews 10:26) For Christians, His Truth is the truth... And there is personal responsibility, we just aren't condemned for falling short.
  18. This is the structure of Christian theology. Giving our sins to Christ, means no personal responsibility. It's strange. The same Christians, are the people talking about objective morality. What do they care about? We must be willing to believe, without evidence. We must be willing to ignore evidence, that suggests we are mistaken. The frame of mind that every con artist exploits. It's Dan.
  19. I mow my yard in a pattern. I've learned from others and experience and observation. I've adapted over the years and added my own thoughts to the pattern. My yard is not identical to others and my tools are different too, so I do what works for me. I don't worry about others yards nor what they think of my pattern. Same with religion and philosophy.
  20. Funny, that's exactly what my godfather (who's a "professional" criminal, and has been for the past 40 or so years, no pun intended) says... He goes to church every sunday for his "weekly spiritual bath" (and confessing past weeks "mistakes and accepting Christ's truth")...
  21. Christ got it right, its up to every individual to align themselves with his teachings and example. Not understanding something does not condemn a person, nor does making mistakes. Denying Christ is what sinks your boat. Getting saved is not an intellectual test, its accepting his truth.
  22. What does this tell me? That even then -- when Jesus was still walking around -- Speaking the same language as his audience -- people still couldn't agree what his teachings meant. So, what makes you so sure that you have it right? People who actually heard it, straight from Jesus, got it wrong -- but you got it right? Seriously? Objective -- Verifiable -- Evidence.
  23. Off course you are (worse off).... As cuchulain already said: "Odin might be pissed at you when you get to Valhalla"...
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