Jonathan H. B. Lobl

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About Jonathan H. B. Lobl

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    Epic Being
  • Birthday 03/13/1953

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    New York City (Jackson Hts. in Queens)

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    Reiki, Therapeutic Touch, Qi Gong, Meditation,
  • Grateful For
    I'm on the right side of the grass.
  • Your Motto
    Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all your self. ---------- Live forever, or die trying.
  • Doctrine /Affiliation
    Apathetic Agnostic and Atheist

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  1. Agnostics, Atheists, Brights, Free Thinkers

    As a matter of history, "Free Thought" has been an umbrella term for Agnostics and Atheists. I'm not trying to be the label police. I do think you're making confusion. Words do change their meaning over time. If you think this really expresses what you are about, then by all means. If your goal is to be understood, with a minimum of confusion -- I think this is a mistake. Just my opinion. Feel free to ignore it.
  2. Agnostics, Atheists, Brights, Free Thinkers

    Remember the wisdom of Groucho Marx. "I would never join a country club, that would have me as a member."
  3. Quiz-one topic

    It goes with my Agnostic outlook. Often, "I don't Know" is the best answer.
  4. Quiz-one topic

    Usually, questions about Free Will are based on imponderable metaphysics. "Do I have free will? Or do I only have the illusion, of free will? Not everything is definable. Some things resist definition. For instance, "life". We can define the characteristics of life. Living things have reproduction, movement, digestion, elimination, etc. We can't actually define "life." We can still make a distinction between things that are alive, things that are dead, and things like rocks, that are neither living nor dead. I think this is what we are up against, when we talk about free will, we are up against similar problems. Your question number one, is the kind of thing that a philosopher would ask. Questions like -- "If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?". It's the kind of thing that we can argue about forever and never answer. Since I don't even understand the distinctions you are making; I really don't want to answer. Question number two. Born with free will? What free will are we born with? What free will does a baby have? It can't even decide if it's going to wet itself. This is not free will. Really, we must watch out for those invisible assumptions. We make lots of silly assumptions about free will. Assumptions like "God given" free will. No. I don't think it's valid to speak of being born with free will. Question number three. Not choosing is a choice. At least, as a general principle. I'm sure that there are exceptions that I can't think of.
  5. Quiz-one topic

    We are making this overly complicated. We have free will. There are stronger forces that counter free will. Free will can be overcome.
  6. Quiz-one topic

    A traffic ticket can be survived. Resisting slavery can mean slow death by torture. Not all consequences are equal. Or endurable.
  7. Quiz-one topic

    Slavery is not a choice. Unless we think that being beaten to death is an optional alternative. I despise hat kind of ideological purity. It's easy enough to have absolute standards, in the abstract. Not so easy, when the decision must be made by an actual enslaved person.
  8. Quiz-one topic

    Demonstrating that free will can be defeated, by an outside force, is not the same as demonstrating that free will does not exist.
  9. Quiz-one topic

    That depends. Sometimes, free will has a price. Like death. In theory, we have free will. If we can pay the price.
  10. Agnostics, Atheists, Brights, Free Thinkers

    All true. Once the purerists take over a board -- the board usually goes into a death spiral. It's a sad thing, when Atheists act like Fundamentalists. Such is life.
  11. Agnostics, Atheists, Brights, Free Thinkers

    The core value of the Jain religion is to be harmless. A serious Jain will walk carefully lest he kill an insect. The more extreme a Jain is, the more harmless he becomes. The question does indeed become -- what values is a person extreme about? That includes the importance of being "right". Of having to "win" arguments. IMO. I judge extremists by their actions. It's not such a rare thing for an Atheist to be rude or condescending. I never heard of an Atheist suicide bomber. I conclude from this that there is a huge difference between an Atheist extremist and a Muslim Jihadi. As you noted, not all extremes are the same.
  12. Agnostics, Atheists, Brights, Free Thinkers

    A Muslim minority in Burma, is under attack by Buddhist mobs. We don't have to wonder. There are fanatical Jains. The more extreme a Jain gets in being harmless -- the less anyone else has to worry about. In this, the Jains are an exception. We should remember that Richard Nixon had a Quaker background. His upbringing seems to have failed.
  13. Agnostics, Atheists, Brights, Free Thinkers

    I think it's an ongoing conversation. I have encountered Atheists who regard it as a debate. I should explain that. I had to drop out of several Atheist groups on Facebook. It's a pattern I discovered. Yet again, someone would ask a recurring question. If you had to choose a religion -- which one would you pick? I said Agnostic. I thought it was funny. These groups were sadly lacking in humor. They had a pile on. Rather than deal with their crap -- I left/ I don't enjoy stupid arguments with Atheists, any more than I enjoy stupid arguments with the pious. Extremists are just plain tedious.
  14. Agnostics, Atheists, Brights, Free Thinkers

    There is also the distinction between knowledge and belief. I can talk about what I know and how I think I know it. I don't believe -- is a conversation killer.
  15. Agnostics, Atheists, Brights, Free Thinkers

    I have been finding the Agnostic label, more useful than the Atheist label. By useful, I mean that it gets me into fewer stupid arguments. I enjoy friendly conversation. At this point, I don't enjoy arguing. Even less so, when there are no objective and verifiable facts.