Jonathan H. B. Lobl

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About Jonathan H. B. Lobl

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    Epic Being
  • Birthday 03/13/1953

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    Male
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    single
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    New York City (Jackson Hts. in Queens)

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    Reiki, Therapeutic Touch, Qi Gong, Meditation,
  • Grateful For
    I'm on the right side of the grass.
  • Your Motto
    Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all your self. ---------- Live forever, or die trying.
  • Doctrine /Affiliation
    Apathetic Agnostic and Atheist

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  1. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    1. People have a right to be silly. Also mistaken and just plain wrong. If people want to believe in fairies or the wee folk, this is also not my problem. Beliefs about God or the gods are also out of reach. We can encourage critical thinking -- but we can not control belief. Just as well. If belief were controllable -- we would not be happy. Truly -- I don't Know what your issue is. For your own sake, I urge you to let it go. 2. You might remember that the next time we talk about Reiki or Therapeutic Touch. 3. What doctors do actually matters. Medical practice evolves. So does accountability. So do the rules regarding compensation. In England, the government does not pay for Homeopathy.
  2. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    Do you think I'm only skeptical about God and Scripture? I'm also not happy with the evidence for Bigfoot. Also alien abduction. I'm not being mean. There are credibility issues.
  3. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    Does it actually matter whether the Bigfoot species exists? I mean, it's silly, but so what? Besides which -- objective evidence could turn up. It's not likely, but it's possible. The Flat Earth people are crazy. So are the Hollow Earth people. Big Foot? Really. Why do you care? It's so trivial. Not every battle is worth fighting. Just because it's silly and lacking in evidence -- does not make it worth fighting. People will always be into foolish crap. Most of it does not matter.
  4. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    Bigfoot is the classic Black Swan. There is no good reason to think that it exists -- but it could.
  5. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    I wanted to go back and make sure my position is clear. If you tell me that you can prove God exists -- with objective, verifiable evidence -- then I want to see the evidence. If you tell me that you have faith that God exists -- there's nothing to argue about. You believe. Great. I've got no problem with that. The basic Atheist position is simple. I don't believe. Nobody is saying that you can't believe.
  6. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    Skepticism, like anything else, can be taken too far. When no evidence or study is good enough.
  7. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    I think the ultimate placebo is prayer. It seems to make people happy. Some arguments are not worth it.
  8. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    I understand. You're putting your eggs into the faith basket -- instead of the evidence basket. You don't understand me at all. I don't have a problem with this. What I do have a problem with, is confusing faith with evidence.
  9. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    I suggest that next time, you start off with this statement. It would have saved a lot of pointless arguing. I would have agreed with you and that would have been the end of it.
  10. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    I get that. I'm also aware that there have been medical studies, where the placebo was more effective than the therapeutic agent being tested.
  11. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    In this case, more like a book with adult content. Seriously, "Bible stories for children" are their own genre. Nobody thinks that young children should have access to a full Bible. Some of that stuff could scar a child for life.
  12. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    Whether placebos actually work, some of the time -- or only seem to work, some of the time -- is not important. By what ever means, a placebo will seem to provide benefit; that it does not provide. That is why useful medical research will use double blind studies. To negate the placebo effect. Placebos are an interesting topic. If you want to go into it more deeply, I suggest a separate thread. Do placebos "work"? For stress relief -- for pain reduction -- sometimes, they seem to work. Pain and stress are subjective. If a placebo seems to work, it works. For objective clinical symptoms like fever reduction? Strange. But yes. Sometimes.
  13. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    That works for me. I have nothing to sell.
  14. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    Some of these threads are merging in my mind, to the point where it is difficult for me to remember what the point was. Now, I'm starting to get dizzy. I think the question here was -- "Why don't you (Atheists) believe in God?". If you like, we can go back down the rabbit hole. I think the original question has been answered. We can always revisit specifics. Reliability of Scripture and such. More focus and less drift. I don't have that much left to say.
  15. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    Alright. Let's talk about "We" and what is being asserted. There is the Fundamentalist We. We don't accept evolution or cosmology. Therefore, God exists. This is a positive claim. The ancient alien programs. We don't know how this could have been done. Therefore, aliens did it. This is a positive claim. Which brings us to the assertion that I made -- and to which you are now responding. We have no objective facts about God. Well? Do we have objective facts about God? Seriously. Does anybody have any objective facts about God? If such objective facts about God did exist -- I think the world of true believers would be rubbing my face in it. They don't because they can't. They have Scripture. This they shriek from the rooftops and street corners. They have "testimony" and "witness". They have threats in abundance about Perdition. There are tons of bad arguments. What they don't have is facts. Objective, verifiable facts. What? In all this time -- nobody in possession of such facts came forward? Nobody? Ever? The addendum on that is that if such evidence ever turns up in future -- I am ready to reconsider. Until then.......... Alright. The Black Swan theory. I'm reasonable. Show me a black swan. If it shows up -- I will reconsider. Until then -- there are no objective, verifiable facts about God. Not one. ========================================================================================================================================= This is strictly a side note -- on the subject of ancient aliens. It is possible that Earth was visited by aliens. We have unsolved mysteries. I only said "possible". Not "probable". On the other hand -- if all the claims were true -- Earth would be getting more traffic than Grand Central Station. I'm not as skeptical as you are in these matters -- but I get your point. The world needs a lot more critical thinking.