Jonathan H. B. Lobl

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About Jonathan H. B. Lobl

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    Mythic Legend
  • Birthday 03/13/1953

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    New York City (Jackson Hts. in Queens)

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    Reiki, Therapeutic Touch, Qi Gong, Meditation,
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    I'm on the right side of the grass.
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    Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all your self. ---------- Live forever, or die trying.
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    Apathetic Agnostic and Atheist

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  1. Over the years, I have read the Bible from cover to cover several times. It's not what I want it to be. It's not even what you want it to be. It's what it is. In my opinion, the Bible is full of hate. Obviously, you are not going to agree with me. Moving on -- to my understanding -- your understanding of the Bible's message is correct. I think the message is wrong and harmful and full of hate. That's my strong opinion. The Bible doesn't care what I think. Neither do you. Your understanding of what the Bible says -- in this regard -- is accurate.
  2. Job 17:12 They change the night into day: the light is short because of darkness. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  3. Job 12:22 He discovereth deep things out of darkness, and bringeth out to light the shadow of death. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Job 12:25 They grope in the dark without light, and he maketh them to stagger like a drunken man. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  4. Job 10:22 a land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  5. I'm going to split a few hairs with you over this. Their ideas are silly. The people themselves are deeply conditioned. Deep conditioning is not silly. It's what happens when a religious culture can't tell the difference between symbolic representations of reality -- and reality. If people want to spend their days, working out the hidden mathematics of Bible Hebrew -- it's their time to waste. Well, that's a little harsh. If it makes them happy, then so be it. Everybody needs a hobby. Ave Satanus.
  6. I followed your link. This blend of Scripture, Kabbalah, Tarot, gematria and physics is not proof of anything. Alright. You believe. I don't argue with what people believe. It is not in any way objective proof for God's existence. Something which you did not define. In any event, this esoteric soup is not evidence.
  7. That's it then. So many come to this board to preach some message or other, then wander off. Some come here looking for a following. Some just do drive by preaching. Good riddance to them.
  8. Do you have anything to offer beside bald assertions; unsupported by anything?
  9. It's a sad thing to be a moderate. We end up being hated by all the extremists. This much I have figured out. If we are not all free to be our selves, then we are all in danger. The pendulum swings. The wheel turns. Power shifts.
  10. I am a poor, miserable choice to be an advocate for the religious. Still, as the saying goes -- there comes a time when we must set aside our values and do what's right. The manuals of mental disorder do not list religion or religious belief. No. Religious belief is not a form of mental illness. I shouldn't have to say this. History is filled with highly intelligent, brilliant minds that were -- are -- deeply religious. I've met a few of them. Being religious is not the same as being weak minded. For that matter, I used to be religious. I think my understanding of such t
  11. Job 3:4 Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Job 3:9 Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day: In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  12. I enjoy Bible symbolism in the same way that I enjoy poetry. I do not confuse Bible symbolism for reality. I do not use Bible symbolism to explain reality. That is because Bible symbolism is not reality. I take a statement like -- God is Light -- or -- God is Love -- to be symbolic statements. These symbolic statements have nothing to do with reality. Your confusion stems from the fact that you disdain distinctions. You have been clear on that, these many years. Yes, I have quoted passages about Light as a symbol for God. That is the point of this thread. Symbolic repr
  13. Do you really want to argue with Dan's beliefs? You know he's only going to throw more Bible Scripture at you.