Jonathan H. B. Lobl

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About Jonathan H. B. Lobl

  • Birthday 03/13/1953

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  • Gender
    Male
  • Marital Status
    single
  • Location
    New York City (Jackson Hts. in Queens)

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  • Interests
    Reiki, Therapeutic Touch, Qi Gong, Meditation,
  • Grateful For
    I'm on the right side of the grass.
  • Your Motto
    Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all your self. ---------- Live forever, or die trying.
  • Doctrine /Affiliation
    Apathetic Agnostic and Atheist

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  1. I'm back on line after a few months. Where to begin? No to fear based content. No to the stories about Hell. Lying for Christ is definitely a thing. Perhaps if there was less lying about other things - death bed renunciation and conversion and such. Seriously, Lying for Christ seems to be a Christian hobby. I remain Agnostic. Nothing about God is objective and verifiable. Nothing at all. I still know bovine flatulence when I'm exposed to it. I have read the Bible. It's too late to tell me about the inerrent word. It's too late to tell me about the Old Serpent. It's too late to tell me about Christians. (I've met a few) Much joy may your faith bring you. I find it as convincing and persuasive as the Flat Earth arguments.
  2. The whole thing stinks of pious fraud and **. Lies. All lies. For some reason, fraudulent last words are considered good lies. The disdain for honesty is horrible.
  3. I don't know where to begin. I read the Bible. It is mythology. I do not believe in God. I do not believe in Jesus. I am not afraid of yoga or meditation. I'm all for friendly conversation. I am not looking for an argument.
  4. I expect you mean death? Yes. We will all die. I choose to not be afraid.
  5. Only if it's real. I am committed to rejecting fear based content.
  6. Fear is at the heart of Christianity. Take out Hell and damnation - what's left? What is the first question an evangelist asks? "Have you been saved?" Of course the whole body of Christian doctrine. God sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself for something that we didn't do - because God is incapable of forgiveness without pain and blood. The appeal is lost on me.
  7. Yes. One question remains. Why does the HQ site in Modesto still think it's 2006? I've given up hope for the October gathering to resume.
  8. All tribal? I don't know. If I did it would still be over generalizing.
  9. First, a quibble. We are not talking about organized religion. We are talking about institutional religion. What would replace institutional religion? At the risk of being unfair, that is like asking what would replace cancer. We would still be social creatures with mutual interests. I think that we could manage to get by without the supernatural. If all religious texts were lost, what would we really lose? Atheism would be reborn with every independent mind, no matter what it was called.
  10. I'm not sure what I can contribute. The importance of forgiveness? Maybe. Demons and witchcraft? The occult? Sorcery? Yoga? I have nothing to contribute. This is paranoia and fear.
  11. I used your link. Ulchq.com That worked. It took me to the Modesto hq. Foolish me. I had been using ulchq.net - which the Monastery uses to drive business to their site. Dirty, dirty. Just one problem. The authentic hq site in Modesto still thinks it's 2006. I'm glad I found it again. I grieve that it's 18 years out of date.