Jonathan H. B. Lobl

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About Jonathan H. B. Lobl

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    Epic Being
  • Birthday 03/13/1953

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    Male
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    single
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    New York City (Jackson Hts. in Queens)

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    Reiki, Therapeutic Touch, Qi Gong, Meditation,
  • Grateful For
    I'm on the right side of the grass.
  • Your Motto
    Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all your self. ---------- Live forever, or die trying.
  • Doctrine /Affiliation
    Apathetic Agnostic and Atheist

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  1. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    What do you do...?

    I can take on a code of ethics, because I think it will make me a better man. Or I can adopt a meditation practice, because I think it will make me a less angry man. Or more loving. Can I really choose a belief system? I think that's a stretch. If I discover that my beliefs have already changed, I can change my label. This is possible. I don't think it is possible to actually change my beliefs. I might have abundant cause to pretend to change my beliefs. To actually change what I believe -- as a choice -- No. I do have the option of engaging in a program of introspective discovery -- and discern that my beliefs have already shifted. I have done this. Repeatedly. It's why my position keeps shifting. I can't just choose a new belief system.
  2. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    What do you do...?

    That's an interesting choice of words. Do we decide to change our beliefs? Is that really a decision?
  3. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    What do you do...?

    I would rather ask, if the path is based on evidence. Caring about what is true, instead of what is popular, is a good component for any path. Asking what will make you -- me -- anyone -- a better person -- is a path. At least, part of a path.
  4. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    What do you do...?

    Yes. That is where the conflict comes in. The inner path changes. The outer path -- or at least the label for the outer path -- stays the same. Our nearest and dearest know where we were -- but not where we are. This is our life. So much more than our "spiritual" or "religious" path. Real lives change.
  5. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    What do you do...?

    That's the confusion. We don't switch. We discover that the change has already occurred. Nothing left but to change the label.
  6. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    What do you do...?

    I've had a lifetime of philosophic drift. Back and forth and round about. It's part of life. Experience accumulates. Perspective shifts. Sometimes it's growth. Sometimes, it's exhaustion.
  7. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    As you wish. It doesn't matter. I don't care. I'm tired of arguing.
  8. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    God Cannot be a Woman Because...

    Word salad Is not a reason. God -- Goddess -- this is not an argument. In any event, do you really want to insist that God has a body?
  9. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    Yes. Here I am. This is my church. The only place I discuss such matters.
  10. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    I used to. Then I advanced to Apatheism. That's short for -- I don't give a crap and I'm tired of arguing.
  11. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    You're serious. You think that I need to justify my non-belief in the Biblical God. What about all the other gods that I don't believe in? Jack Frost; Old Man Winter; Father Time; Death, Mother Nature; Lady Luck; Old Man Winter; Santa Claus; The Invisible Pink Unicorn; the Flying Spaghetti Monster: etc. ad nauseum. No. there is a difference between poetic imagery and external existence. As metaphor, they all exist. In reality, none of them exist. It's a silly argument and I'm done with it.
  12. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    My Ban

    Granting an A for good intentions -- I don't think she's reading this thread.
  13. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    My Ban

    Maybe.
  14. It was a mistake. Either that or my Freudian slip is showing.
  15. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    You're right of course. Nobody is required to justify their beliefs. It doesn't stop the Anti-Theists -- or the Pious -- from making unreasonable demands. In my brief time as member of various Facebook Atheist groups -- basic patterns emerged. Various holier than thou types would burst in -- in print -- demanding that the Atheists in the group put up their best defense of Atheism. It happened it lot. Sometimes, the insufferable lout would be Christian -- and sometimes Muslim. It kept happening over and over again -- as though for the first time. It was never a Hindu, making these nasty demands. Never a Polytheist or any type of Pagan or Heathen. Never a Buddhist or Jain. Never a Pantheist. Never a Satanist or Luciferian. Never a follower of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Invisible Pink Unicorn, or Jedi, or the Dude. Or the Church of Google. Just Christian and Muslim crap for brains. It was a great lesson. Not the lesson that they intended. I do so despise cultural and religious bullies.