Jonathan H. B. Lobl

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About Jonathan H. B. Lobl

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    Epic Being
  • Birthday 03/13/1953

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    single
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    New York City (Jackson Hts. in Queens)

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    Reiki, Therapeutic Touch, Qi Gong, Meditation,
  • Grateful For
    I'm on the right side of the grass.
  • Your Motto
    Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all your self. ---------- Live forever, or die trying.
  • Doctrine /Affiliation
    Apathetic Agnostic and Atheist

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  1. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    Lessons In Apologetics, Part 1: Introduction & Agnosticism

    And there we are. We can't prove that God exists. We can't prove that God does not exist. That leaves us with -- So what?
  2. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    Lessons In Apologetics, Part 1: Introduction & Agnosticism

    Since God is not knowable to the finite mind -- then God is not knowable. God is also irrelevant and without meaning. For what little it's worth, I was ordained as a minister by the Apathetic Agnostic Church. (02/20/2002). The Church motto is -- "We don't know and we don't care." You don't get to define Agnostics, to Agnostics. It's rude and it's irritating. Drag files here to attach, or choose files... Accepted file types gif, jpeg, jpe, jpg, png ยท Max total size 0.49MB Insert other media
  3. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    What do you do...?

    I can take on a code of ethics, because I think it will make me a better man. Or I can adopt a meditation practice, because I think it will make me a less angry man. Or more loving. Can I really choose a belief system? I think that's a stretch. If I discover that my beliefs have already changed, I can change my label. This is possible. I don't think it is possible to actually change my beliefs. I might have abundant cause to pretend to change my beliefs. To actually change what I believe -- as a choice -- No. I do have the option of engaging in a program of introspective discovery -- and discern that my beliefs have already shifted. I have done this. Repeatedly. It's why my position keeps shifting. I can't just choose a new belief system.
  4. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    What do you do...?

    That's an interesting choice of words. Do we decide to change our beliefs? Is that really a decision?
  5. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    What do you do...?

    I would rather ask, if the path is based on evidence. Caring about what is true, instead of what is popular, is a good component for any path. Asking what will make you -- me -- anyone -- a better person -- is a path. At least, part of a path.
  6. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    What do you do...?

    Yes. That is where the conflict comes in. The inner path changes. The outer path -- or at least the label for the outer path -- stays the same. Our nearest and dearest know where we were -- but not where we are. This is our life. So much more than our "spiritual" or "religious" path. Real lives change.
  7. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    What do you do...?

    That's the confusion. We don't switch. We discover that the change has already occurred. Nothing left but to change the label.
  8. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    What do you do...?

    I've had a lifetime of philosophic drift. Back and forth and round about. It's part of life. Experience accumulates. Perspective shifts. Sometimes it's growth. Sometimes, it's exhaustion.
  9. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    As you wish. It doesn't matter. I don't care. I'm tired of arguing.
  10. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    God Cannot be a Woman Because...

    Word salad Is not a reason. God -- Goddess -- this is not an argument. In any event, do you really want to insist that God has a body?
  11. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    Yes. Here I am. This is my church. The only place I discuss such matters.
  12. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    I used to. Then I advanced to Apatheism. That's short for -- I don't give a crap and I'm tired of arguing.
  13. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    a common atheist fallacy

    You're serious. You think that I need to justify my non-belief in the Biblical God. What about all the other gods that I don't believe in? Jack Frost; Old Man Winter; Father Time; Death, Mother Nature; Lady Luck; Old Man Winter; Santa Claus; The Invisible Pink Unicorn; the Flying Spaghetti Monster: etc. ad nauseum. No. there is a difference between poetic imagery and external existence. As metaphor, they all exist. In reality, none of them exist. It's a silly argument and I'm done with it.
  14. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    My Ban

    Granting an A for good intentions -- I don't think she's reading this thread.
  15. Jonathan H. B. Lobl

    My Ban

    Maybe.