Pete Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I am not able to say what a soul is but there is talk of producing thinking robots. My thought is towards will they be seen as having human status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Yes. Someday, in the future, they will be so life like as to fool everyone but a doctor or a robotics engineer. Then bakeries will refuse to make them wedding cakes and the fight will be on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark 45 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 or states will refuse to issue them marriage licenses and then the supreme court will have to step in.define "soul".i even wonder if they can have a sub conscious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 On 4/10/2015 at 11:53 PM, Pete said: I am not able to say what a soul is but there is talk of producing thinking robots. My thought is towards will they be seen as having human status.Clarification. Are you talking about mechanical beings that look human? That would be artificial intelligence.Or do you mean organic beings with an artificial origin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 If I remember correctly, from the sci-fi books, an android is a robot that looks, speaks and acts as a human. By that definition, I believe it would have to be artificial intelligence of one sort or another. Like Data on "Star Trek, The Next Generation." Perhaps not quite that intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokigami Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 that depends on whether souls exist. which depends on the definition of a soul. As it is much easier to argue that an androids non physical essense (if we use that as our loose definition) can carry on outside its body, it is seems more likely they would have souls than we would, based upon evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Voodoo King Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 I think it would depend on their capacity to use their thinking ability in order to override their programming so that they were able to make choices independent of what their original programming was. I think if they were both self aware and able to make choices beyond the scope of their original programming, even choices which might contradict it, then they are well under their way to having a soul. If they cannot choose for themselves, then they are still just robots without a soul. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 On 4/12/2015 at 4:49 AM, kokigami said: that depends on whether souls exist. which depends on the definition of a soul. As it is much easier to argue that an androids non physical essense (if we use that as our loose definition) can carry on outside its body, it is seems more likely they would have souls than we would, based upon evidence.There is no evidence that humans can carry on outside our bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan56 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 No, androids could never have souls. Even if they could think, they could never feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 On 4/12/2015 at 6:47 PM, Dan56 said: No, androids could never have souls. Even if they could think, they could never feel.We don't know that. Why is feeling impossible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan56 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 On 4/12/2015 at 7:05 PM, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said: We don't know that. Why is feeling impossible?Because feelings aren't logical per se ... You can't program something to have feelings, even if it can think or deduce things for itself. A robot could possibly have compassion, but it could never feel compassion..I speak from experience, my ex was an android Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 On 4/12/2015 at 7:43 PM, Dan56 said: Because feelings aren't logical per se ... You can't program something to have feelings, even if it can think or deduce things for itself. A robot could possibly have compassion, but it could never feel compassion..I speak from experience, my ex was an android We do not know the limits of future technology. Not even the near future. My prediction is that the future will surprise us, in ways we can't imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 On 4/12/2015 at 7:43 PM, Dan56 said: Because feelings aren't logical per se ... You can't program something to have feelings, even if it can think or deduce things for itself. A robot could possibly have compassion, but it could never feel compassion..I speak from experience, my ex was an android My thinking is we can't assume they won't feel anything. As we can't experience things as they do, and they as we do, does not mean feelings can't be developed somewhere along the way of discovering these experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 On 4/12/2015 at 10:39 PM, Keystrikr said: My thinking is we can't assume they won't feel anything. As we can't experience things as they do, and they as we do, does not mean feelings can't be developed somewhere along the way of discovering these experiences.Yes. We can go further. If organic brains get chip implants -- and robot bodies take on organic components -- the lines of distinction could get blurry. On 4/12/2015 at 4:13 PM, Brother Kaman said: There is no evidence that humans can carry on outside our bodies.Not "good" evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokigami Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 On 4/12/2015 at 4:13 PM, Brother Kaman said: There is no evidence that humans can carry on outside our bodies.my point exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panpareil Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Androids will never achieve sentience much less a soul.Programming sentience is the same type of problem as predicting or controlling the weather, society or the economy. All are unachievable for the same reason.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Are we not programmed from childhood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 On 4/16/2015 at 12:52 PM, panpareil said: Androids will never achieve sentience much less a soul.Programming sentience is the same type of problem as predicting or controlling the weather, society or the economy. All are unachievable for the same reason..Never is a long time. The future may surprise. On 4/16/2015 at 2:23 PM, Pete said: Are we not programmed from childhood?Of course we are. It never stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 On 4/16/2015 at 12:52 PM, panpareil said: Androids will never achieve sentience much less a soul.Programming sentience is the same type of problem as predicting or controlling the weather, society or the economy. All are unachievable for the same reason..Descartes: "I think, therefore I am."That is the birth of sentience. Who can say an android may never become self aware and begin thinking for itself? Machines are evolving rapidly, making the future less predictable in their regard.When a person or thing begins making choices based upon thought, for a conscience to form, could not a soul be born within? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 On 4/16/2015 at 8:52 PM, Keystrikr said: Descartes: "I think, therefore I am."That is the birth of sentience. Who can say an android may never become self aware and begin thinking for itself? Machines are evolving rapidly, making the future less predictable in their regard.When a person or thing begins making choices based upon thought, for a conscience to form, could not a soul be born within?What is a soul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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