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About Pete

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  • Birthday 06/24/1954

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    Psychotherapy, NLP & Hypnotherapy, Counseling, Co-Counseling, Personal growth & Learning.
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    Universal Liberal something or other.

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  1. If no one ever believed in gods then that would be the norm and the need to call someone atheist would not arise. It has arisen because some do believe in gods or spirits.hence the need to distinguish.
  2. That has to be true . If everyone was atheists then we would not need to use the term of distingion.
  3. It has taken me a long time to be able to get hold of research into religious history. I think it is a political thing. If people are meek and submissive to religious leaders they are more manageable. The trouble is many of these religions worked in there own states but now the world is getting smaller they are crossing each other and so there is conflict. Secularism works for both states but religion does not but each state continues to promote it and so there is conflict even to the point of terrorism. One madness verses another. That coupled with the struggle for power in this world it just makes a terrifying soup of hatred.
  4. In the UK religious prejudice is right up their with rascism. The Christians hate it because they cannot preach about their hate of Islam. Now that is fun.
  5. Some Islamic states kill atheists. Its all to protect an unsubstantiated belief and put it beyond question. Scrutiny is unwelcome. It is all a front. The bible says specifically that you should not make oaths or swear by it. It is just political bull. Message. Do not question me.
  6. I am back. I just needed to talk about something personal. Thanks for being there for me Jonathan. I used to have a friend who was a staunch Atheist Marxist. He always said the best way to deal with religion is to ignore it and do not give it the attention it thrives on. He would laugh and just walk away. They would get infuriated. He would say give them attention and you give them undeserved power. As long as they are getting attention or persecution they will just will continue to feel they are legitimate. It is an interesting approach.
  7. I will chat with Johnathan. I do have an issue of conflict but this is difficult to talk about. Thanks everyone. It is to do with grief and loved ones.
  8. Deja vu. I will not debate further with you
  9. I remember Richard Bandler being told by a group of scientists that personality and behavour was fixed by the age of 5. Richard pulled out a gun and pointed it at the scientists and ask would this change your behaviour. The point is many beliefs are held but changed when stress, trauma or cognative dissonance forces them to adapt and behaviour is reassessed and choices are made.
  10. I am confused Dan. You say your put off by religion but at the same time defend it to the hilt. It is because your not open to anything but your religion. So many conversations with you tell me your far from a free thinker. Every time we talk it always comes around to talking about your religion. I just wanted to talk free from you defending your religion . It is the reason I have not been on the forum for a while.
  11. I apologise to the forum and Dan. It was an emotional outburst. I wanted to speak to other agnostics and atheists because I hope someone could help me with my struggle with my own mind. Jonathan has been helpful but I did not want this as an excuse to discuss someone elses religious agenda and hence my emotional outburst. Perhaps in hind sight I would have best been served by an email but then I would have not have got the experience of others. I am sorry.
  12. I am sure that is true but if we talk about degrees some peoples position when faced with substantial evidence some of us change our cognative position. Others have their story but I have gone from fundamentalist to liberal Christian to agnostic and if I could see evidence to the contrary I would change all the way back if I could see substanciated evidence that was more than unsubstantiated myth. Whilst others hold their position no matter what.
  13. When I started the post I was thinking in ULC respect but the more I wrote the more angry I got. I will not say anymore as it will only bring him back. However I am pissed with his intervention.