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    Agnostic, something or other. Not interested in the bible or anyone's so called holy books.

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  1. I get enlightenment used as a term for wisdom revealed but that has no support to a plants photosynthesis.
  2. I have no criticism about your views Jonathan. In fact I respect them. It was just the statement "is god light?" It seems we are trying to discuss the characteristics of an unsubstantiated concept that has no physical evidence to prove its existence. We must first prove God before we can describe character. Otherwise it is similar to debating does a vacuum have consciousness.
  3. Is god light. Is god real. What do we really know first hand about god that you were not taught to think. How can we test that god is light?
  4. Genesis makes no sense. The day and night and the vegetation were made before the sun and moon. Without the sun there is no day. it is the rotation of the earth in relationship to the sun that creates a day. Plants need the sun in order to grow but they flourished on the third day and sun was made on the fourth day. This is just poetic nonsense.
  5. That said the Tsar before the revolution was also a butcher who kept the country in poverty and at a pointless losing war with Germany and on it's other border Japan. We all know how he had the people killed in Red Square. Well that was not the only time he sent the troops in to murder whole groups of people. However he was Royalty and a Christian so we never talk about this.
  6. Jonathan said:- Without Christianity, Islam would have taken over the world. Without Islam, Christianity would have taken over the world. Christian vs. Christian holy wars are the stuff of legend. Muslim vs. Muslim holy wars are the stuff of legend. Jewish infighting is also the stuff of legend. Too much to drag out now. The Temple Mount in Jerusalem is the hottest of hot spots. Good luck cooling that down. _----------------------------++------------------------ I would argue with Judaism, paganism and possibly Hinduism Christianity would not o
  7. There are three ways to stop a fire. 1/ deprive it of oxygen. 2/ deprive it of fuel. 3/ lower its temperature. Debating highlights the nonsense the religion is founded upon. Even if they are persistent in quoting dogma, the ridiculous nature and lack of foundation of the religion shows through. I guess that is why you have given so many posts to the topic and interesting they are. I note there is no response back to challenge your logic. If they did it again would show up the ridiculousness of having a faith with no logical foundation. Hence you put the fire out.
  8. Having seen how believers behaved under the Trump.regime I do not believe they have any right to question atheist 's moral compass. I do not need a bronze age book to tell me somethings are wrong. You do not have to believe in a god to value the life of another and respect their personal rights as human beings. Most atheists know this. Believers it seems need to be told this from a bronze age book. I question any believer who needs to be told to respect others rather than know this from their own heart.
  9. Yes Jonathan. Dan repeating himself does not make it any more sane than the first time he said it. If I entertain the A&E myth. God did not make mankind perfect or they would not have been tempted to eat the apple. Therefore to create something imperfect suggests god is imperfect and to demand a sacrifice for his own imperfect work is a nonsense.
  10. There you go again. God is being said to punish himself in order to forgive others. It sounds masochistic to me. Only god cannot be killed because he is supposed to be eternal. Your talking about a god who only has one punishment and that is to kill someone. P.s. what is this about A&E. I have worked in one and people of all Faith's come through the door including christians. So much for this none intervening and none appearing god that needs human interpretation.
  11. No loving father gives the option to a child obey me or I will give you external damnation or all mistakes or disobedience will result in your death. Only a severely cruel psychopath would think that was righteous. Yet, you worship this.
  12. Dan I would say that a vast amount in the bible is just hearsay among ancient tribes. You cannot show me one thing that would persuade me to accept all in this so called inspired book of myths. You cannot even prove the existence of the god that is supposed to have inspired it or prove this so say god had anything to do with it. Just because you keep repeating stuff about it does not make it fact.
  13. Of course the god sounds like Dan. Christians have been synthesizing this stuff for 2000+ years. They chose which books they wanted and what beliefs they wanted and took those that gave them control and followed a line invented by Paul. Even the gospels which were written later also took on the Paulian line. Paul who came from a Roman free state and followed a mix of pagan views of sacrifice and cleansing in blood. Others were added later. They even persecuted the Jews for years because they had a differing understanding of Jesus' message and about who he was. Jesus being also the
  14. Why did God have to send himself down to earth to be his son to sacrifice himself to himself to convince himself to forgive us?
  15. Not defending one religion or another but Christian's use the book of Hebrews in order to convince Jews of their standpoint. The trouble is the only thing the book of Hebrews convinces them of is how little Paul actually knew about Judaism and how unlikely it is that he was schooled in Judaism as he claims.