Dan56

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  1. Its just the 'feeling' I get from these guys, it stems from the constant objections about a God who punishes disobedience. I don't believe they believe in discipline, or at least any form of corporal punishment. You answered your own question above, as you would consider interfering with a parent who 'taps' (not beats) a spoiled and out of control kid in a store in order to straighten them out because you thought they were being too strict.
  2. You don't need to stay biblically illiterate, consider doing some research and looking it up yourself.. Perhaps you don't have a good Hebrew to English concordance? Learning sometimes requires a little effort; https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/802-2-kings-2-23-25-elisha-and-the-lads-of-bethel
  3. Everyone judges the moral standards of others, I just don't believe I have a right to judge God's standards.. As I explained, The KJ and other bible versions have some translation errors where its necessary to transliterate what was being expressed in the original language. In this passage its logical to presume that "naar" is referencing young adults. Its not changing the words of the bible as much as getting an accurate definition of a word that has also been used in reference to young men. Blasphemy is; "The act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk". Sacred things would be specific to what God anointed for His purpose (prophets, kings, etc), this would exclude your average guy walking down the street. Consider for a moment that God does know more than you, whereby God does know better than us. The older boys or young men mocking the prophet were obviously Hebrew and had previous knowledge of Elijah's ascent into heaven, which is why they were teasing Elisha to do likewise.
  4. In your extremely liberal mind-set, do you believe anyone should ever be accountable for anything? I get the feeling that if any of you guys ever saw a parent tap an unruly child on the rear-end for acting up in a store, you'd be on your cell phone in a second with 911 to report what you consider extreme abuse? "And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death." (Leviticus 24:16) .. So considering the law, those young men who were mauled got off easy.
  5. True, if its a god/gods outside of my own realm of belief, then I'll be flat out of luck just like the rest of you
  6. Few non-Christians ever believe the punishment fits the offense, but I just trust God's judgement.. I assume God is Just and knows all, so His judgement is also perfectly righteous. And blasphemy coming from those who know better is far greater than one child calling another names. Jesus said the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.. The story doesn't specify how many were ridiculing Elisha, only that 42 were mauled. I suspect the whole group was taking part, so I highly doubt there was anything indiscriminate about the punishment dished out.
  7. Seems like a similar topic to "If Christianity were proven true"... My response to the proof of God's existence would be ... I told ya so Of course it would matter, eternity depends on it.
  8. Children = young men (Hebrew naar). The same word used of Issac (28 years old), Joseph (39), Rehoboam (40).. When they mocked Elisha saying "Go up", it may have been referring to Elijah's previous translation into heaven, which was a blasphemous insult that outraged God. You guys obviously think the punishment was excessive, but I'm going to side with God's judgement. Yes, I wasn't blaming the bears, it was God who used them to stop the mocking. I simply believe the punishment fit the offense, blasphemy against His prophets. That probably means little to nonbelievers, but its a fitting punishment for believers. Jonathan is right, faith = trust, so I trust God's judgement over my own.
  9. I never said evidence requires faith? I said that faith replaces objective evidence, which Christians believe will come at the second advent. Agreeing with scripture is all it says about me. Yes, I agree with God's judgement..They weren't just mocking "someone", they were indirectly mocking God. No different than those who mocked Christ when he was crucified. That's a big no no. But I understand from the liberal perspective that disciplining youths is something you never do. "Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them" (Proverbs 13:24)
  10. Correct, there's no relevance where there's no faith.. The bible is information about God, some choose to to accept it and others reject it.. If its all myth, its not real and not relevant. If its all true, its very relevant. As Key said, its an endless circular argument with no resolution. We are called by faith, the verifiable objective evidence comes later. Well, the biblical God obviously believes in discipline, and a verbal assault against one of His anointed prophets had repercussions. Nothing immoral about it to me. Perhaps if the young people weren't so enthralled in ridiculing Elisha, they would have notice the she-bears. Some might say that letting "kids" get away with disrespecting their elders is immoral? You may think getting mauled is harsh, but I bet they learned a much needed lesson and never harassed another prophet.
  11. I'd agree... In a purely materialistic world there is no design, no purpose, no evil, and no good.... Without any absolute moral authority, morality is based on nothing more than what we think is right or wrong. The guy helping a drowning child and the guy shooting up a Walmart both think they are right... That's why I prefer extrinsic moral values over intrinsic ones; "No one is good except God alone." (Mark 10:18)
  12. I've never said Atheist were immoral, I simply stated that they have no definitive source or written standards of morality, but that doesn't leave a person void of morals..
  13. It doesn't say "one" mocked Elisha, it indicates more than one, possibly all of them were united in purpose? And it doesn't say any of them were killed. "Some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the Lord. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths." (2 Kings 2: 23-24) http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVSermons/WhyDidGodHaveChildrenKilled.html
  14. I agree that its funny... But its another biblical inaccuracy... At least, I don't believe Noah's flood was worldwide, but was limited to the biblical region where Adam's descendants lived. In which case, there's no need to necessitate a wacky scenario where any sloth had to board the ark since the only animals in need of saving were those indigenous to a given region.. In the bible "erets" can also refer to country, territory, or all the land of its inhabitants in relation to the story being told. Whereby, "all the land or earth (erets)" does not always imply global or worldwide, but is only referencing the area surrounding all the people who dwell there.
  15. Imo, she illustrated what I've always said, nonbelievers don't reject Christ because of a lack of evidence, they reject the message because they simply don't like it, even hate it. From what she wrote, its also clear that she's biblically illiterate.