Dan56

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  1. Your correct, you can't believe in God or any god if you believe that all the information contained in cells were the result of spontaneous generation. But DNA codes information, and information must come from intelligence, so its logical to conclude that the genetic complexity of the building blocks of life had a purposeful design, by an intelligence much greater than our own.
  2. I'd disagree, I think logical deduction can lead a person to conclude (not prove) that an all powerful God exist. A hundred years ago, Einstein developed his Theory of General Relativity. What was relative? All things in general. What are those? Space, time, energy and matter. They are so relative, that not one of these can exist apart from the presence of all the other 3. This means that all 4 had to have come into existence at the very same time... which, so very oddly enough, happens to comport perfectly with the very first verse of the Bible. In the beginning (time), God created (the source of all energy), the heavens (space) and the earth (matter). Such things cannot come into existence or create themselves. As science makes clear, all things have a cause, and every cause must always be greater than the subsequent result. The Ultimate First Cause must therefore be greater than all... it is not even remotely reasonable to think that the first cause is nothing, and that all things simply created themselves... all at the very same instant. Big Bang explains nothing, as it commences with space, time, energy and matter already in existence... Where did any of these first come from? Science has already rightly concluded these things are not eternal, and therefore did have an origin, on the basis of the first 2 Laws of Thermodynamics, which governs all physical and chemical processes. This only points to one logical conclusion, as all the other proffered 'answers' stand in clear violation of known established laws of science. When I need proof, I only need to do some elementary study concerning DNA in all living things. It is 3-D, quadratically-encoded information, unlike anything man had ever devised. The very first Law of Information is; All information is derived from an intelligence. This is especially true, on an order of magnitude, if the information is encoded, as that requires much more intelligence.. Then, there is something that can read it, decode it, issue the instructions, and other components that can carry it all out. It can also repair itself, or even replace itself from other unused parts... and, on top of all that, can even totally reproduce itself! Simply ain't no way any of that could have ever, in a hundred billion years, come about by random chance... not ever! So when I think about it, I logically conclude that only intelligent design (God) could to do any of that.
  3. A person doesn't need to give up rational thought to be convinced of an all powerful God, anymore than science needs to give up rationale thought to be convinced of the theory of evolution or the big bang theory. Both point of views require a degree of logic and reason, so its not irrational to accept either.. Its only useless to a person who accepts neither answer, in which case, it doesn't matter.
  4. That's where we differ... You believe humans created God/gods, and I believe God created humans. You might ask, is it more feasible to hypothesize that humans miraculously evolved from pond scum, or that we are the result of intelligent design? Imo, evolution requires more faith to believe than the bible.
  5. God has ended physical life, nearly all of it at one point.. But the first born of Egypt and the Pharaoh's army still spiritually exist.. No spiritual being has been killed, only the flesh bodies that we temporarily possess. Yes, God ends life in the flesh, but our spiritual souls live on.
  6. The only garbage is thinking that a man is God's master.. How can anyone created be the master of his Creator? My point was that God separated himself from a fallen world, He is not the "god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4). That doesn't mean that His Spirit doesn't transcend the earth, or that He is completely AWOL.. It just means that God relinquished control, surrendered dominion over the earth, and separated himself from sin. That's why Jesus told Pilate; "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." (John 18:36)
  7. My point was that they are all still alive and awaiting judgement. We all die physically, but our God given spirit lives on.
  8. That's correct, the wages of sin is death... But no one has been put to death because judgement has not yet arrived. My point being, God has not spiritually killed anyone to date, not that God won't kill in the future.
  9. If 'good people' don't agree with you, does that mean your 'bad people'? And how do you stand by your values, not take crap from anyone, while avoiding conflict (warfare)? Aren't values worth having, also worth fighting for? Its a slippery slope, especially if 'bad people' who don't agree with you, force you to be subjected to their ways.
  10. God separated himself from this world long ago, so He does not reign here and now. Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36). But that will change; "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." (Revelation 11:15). Anyone who thinks they will be God's master on that day, will be sorely disappointed. jmo
  11. In the spiritual sense, God has not killed anyone yet.. Death is a natural part of life in the flesh, we were all born to die. If God cured everyone, it would defeat the whole purpose of us being here. God is life, and without him, life does not and cannot exist. People who want to live, naturally worship the life giver. While some don't find this to be a compelling reason to worship the giver of all life, I find it unusual to refer to God as "evil". God is not evil, God is good, and God is love. Evil is simply the result of sin, and sin is our disobedience to God.
  12. I wasn't telling you what you believe, I was expounding on what you don't believe. And when it comes to God, gods, or deity, you don't believe in nothing.. If I'm wrong, correct me. Otherwise, your just irritated with the truth.
  13. Everyone believes something, but my point was that Atheist don't believe in nothing God related, no deity, or life after death. Its an attribute of what I believe, not my fault I agree in the sense that a person should always wonder, always ponder, and always question what's true. I'm not skeptical about what I've chosen to believe, but its healthy to always wonder, because we stop learning when we stop questioning. Skepticism is what we're left with at the end of our knowledge, and growth stops where the facts end.
  14. Lots of partial believers I guess... Or "I believe this, but ain't sure about that" type of people.. I'm among the 31% who believe the bible word for word, so I'm all in.. I can't fathom a Christian not believing in the resurrection, its the ultimate validation that Christ was and is exactly who he proclaimed himself to be.. I wouldn't classify them as 'Christian' if they deny the resurrection. You either believe it or you don't, there can't be any wishy-washy middle ground.. If a person can't accept that Christ rose from the dead, what possible hope do they hold for themselves? "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth" (Revelation 3:16)
  15. Very true and succinctly put.. Our rationale is limited to what we observe, and to many, its difficult to comprehend anything beyond that. There you go..... In monotheism, one God is the ticket, everything else is idolatry.