Dan56

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  1. Still straining at gnats.... "there is no evidence, so we don't believe" verses "the absence of evidence causes them to reject"... No evidence is the same as absence of evidence, and not believing something is the same as rejecting it. E.g; If I believe something I accept it as being true, and if I don't believe something I reject it as being false... That's point blank, no straw man about it. That's your best intellectual response? As always, its what you resort to when losing an argument, and it says more about you than it does me. Do either of you even hear what your challenging? Your claiming that not believing something is completely different than rejecting it? If that's the case, I guess I can presume that your non-belief in God actually means that you accept God.... Doesn't get anymore illogical than that
  2. Pretty much the same thing in my book... No evidence = absence of evidence... Your straining at gnats. Seems all you do is hurl accusations lately... I've tried to answer every question without diverting subjects... It may not be to your satisfaction, but subjects relating to faith don't have definitive answers, belief in God is not a concept you can reduce to a monkey-see monkey-do mentality. I've never solicited anyone to accept my God, I've only stated reasons why I accept it by faith... Trust me, I'm keenly aware that your incapable of accepting anything by faith, you require indisputable proof, if you can't see or hear it, you can't begin to fathom how it could possibly be true.. jmo
  3. So Christian fundamentalist have brain damage, but Christian Orthodox are fine? That's convenient, we all believe in the same God, but only some are labeled as brain damaged. I prefer to think fundamentalist are normal and the rest of you are screwed-up Yes, Atheist and Christians have no tangible evidence to support their conclusions, but Christians do have a collection of books that make sense to us. Sometimes something just rings true and not everyone needs it to be proven. And Jesus was flesh & blood, a real person with a divine message who promised eternal life, and then he proved it was real by raising from the dead.. That's something people can wrap their heads around. But a statue of a lion headed goddess? Not so much.
  4. Dan56

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    I was paraphrasing the verse; "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15). To me, "rightly dividing the word' just means to understand scripture in context and in association with other portions of scripture (Isaiah 28:10). For example, reading the OT prophets can be confusing unless its understood that they are prophecies relating to Christ in the NT. Or even wrongly dividing a single verse can present a deceptive idea, for example; “There is no God". An atheist might quote a partial verse like this, but the whole verse says; "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God" (Psalm 14:1). "Rightly dividing" means to apply one portion of scripture as it properly relates to another. There's no contradictions when we properly divide each section of scripture as it relates to others.
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    Absolutely, no one understands every verse, which is why we are encouraged to study and rightly divide the word of God. (2 Timothy 2:15). People develop different understandings and interpretations because they don't search the scriptures (John 5:39). Jesus said "Learn from me" (Matthew 11:39), "Learn a parable" (Matthew 24:32), and warned of the traditions of men creeping into religion (Mark 7:3-9). It also warns us not to change, add or subtract from the bible (Revelation 22:18-19), which is what many denominations do (LDS, SDA, RCC, JW, etc).
  6. I understand that atheism is not about believe, and I understand that its the absence of evidence that causes them to reject the existence of God/gods. That was my basic point, that atheistic conclusions are not determinations grounded in evidence, which is no different than Christian conclusions not being grounded in tangible evidence.
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    Show me a messed-up prophecy, or a contradiction? That was my only point... But of course there are divisions in the faith, the shear number of different denominations is evidence of that, but this is due to interpretation, and not the fault of a defective bible. Consider that even the Pharisees interpreted scripture differently than Christ. And remember the 7 churches of Revelation, Christ was only satisfied with 2 of them. These were 2 different subjects.. The first being the accuracy of copies, which I trust 100% because of comparative volume.. The second was in response to your demand for the original manuscripts for comparison, which is why I wrote; "You can't prove a copy matches an original when no original exist." You just conflated the 2 in order to create a contradiction, but there was nothing deceptive about either post when taken in the context of what I was explaining.
  8. That's evidence? Sounds like psycho-babble to me.. Claiming religious people have brain damage is preposterous. Then where's the evidence that allows atheist to conclude no God can possibly exist? Its no more of a factual determination than believing there is a God.. My point being, whether there is or isn't a God is more founded in personal belief or opinion, rather than a conclusion based on tangible evidence. That's my opinion of course.
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    Content is why I believe, if scribes changed everything, it wouldn't make sense..The bible was written by over 40 different authors from 3 different continents over a 1,500 year period, with no contradictions and no messed-up prophesies. This in itself is a miracle and evidence God had a hand in it. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" (2 Timothy 3:16). God doesn't need human scribes or authors, but He chose them to spread His word.. We believe that Jesus is the living Word; "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:1&14). God steps in to do the things we can't do, not the things we won't do. And your right, building the Temple required faith, Noah built the ark by faith, etc... If God did everything, we'd have no earthly purpose..And the only trickster is the adversary, who was a liar from the beginning (John 8:44). Perhaps trusting our own evidence or reason is what makes us gullible. Sticking with His Word is our most treasured feature."God is not the author of confusion" (1 Corinthians 14:33)
  10. Sorry, but your comment "I'd really like to buy a Brit" seemed like sarcasm to me, but perhaps I misinterpreted your brand of humor? Plus, the questions you submitted were very consistent with those that Atheist ask.. I guess fundamentalism and orthodoxy don't mesh. When an Atheist says; "There is no God", isn't that making a statement of fact? And what evidence is given to them to confirm there is no God? How does an Atheist know that no God exist in the absence of evidence to support that conclusion?... Despite popular opinion, I'm not being obstinate, and I do understand that atheist believe in nothing divine because they require evidence to confirm truth.. But I think in a way, that deciding something is false without the evidence to confirm its false could also be construed as a belief... Believing that God exist without the evidence to prove He exist requires faith, and believing that no God exist without the evidence to prove He doesn't exist requires? I obviously don't think like the majority here, but it seems that in regards to God, whatever we decide to believe is based on our own perception of what's true or false...evidence be damned
  11. Dan56

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    I never set-out to prove that, I've only submitted reasons why I think its very probable... Obviously, you can't prove a copy matches an original when no original exist.
  12. Translation; You have no answer... I've repeatedly defined Atheist as having no belief in any gods, and you wrote; "Atheists don't conform to your beliefs about Atheism".... So no provocation was intended, I just was pointing out that you contradicted yourself (again).
  13. Yes, I've stated repeatedly that Atheist don't believe in anything, I've even posted the definition of Atheism, so I'm aware that there is no belief of an atheist. And I agree that 'thinking' requires no faith.. But every time I submit that, Jonathan explodes saying that I have no idea what Atheist believe, so he obviously disagrees with the dictionaries definition of atheism. In regards to faith, if there is not indisputable evidence to prove God exist, and this lack of proof renders an Atheist mind to be right, then imo they have faith that they have deduced the correct answer towards something where no definitive answer can possibly exist. So the way I look at it is that an Atheist trust that their own cognitive reasoning is correct, meaning that they have faith in their conclusion, and by extension, have faith in themselves, but not anything divine. If I believe God exist, but can't substantiate it, I have faith that I'm right... If I believe God doesn't exist, but cant' substantiate it, I have faith that I'm right.. Everyone believes they are right, and faith is just an extension of belief. That was all I was trying to say.
  14. Dan56

    Godly Love

    I was making a point, not an attack... To illustrate my point, would you be a Christian if we had all the original letters and gospels that comprise the new testament? My point was that you would not likely accept the message regardless.
  15. I don't expect Atheist to conform to anything divine, because I'm fully aware that they don't believe in any of that... And since you don't think Atheist conform to my belief about Atheism, which is that they don't believe in God/gods, then your suggesting that they do believe in God... Your a walking contradiction