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  1. Jesus said, "The gospel must first be published among all nations" (Mark 13:10). And "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19). So Paul went all over, Thomas to India, etc, but most were martyred in Italy. Christ mission was to Judea as prophesied, but remember that the 12 lost tribes of Israel were scattered everywhere.
  2. I don't see much knowledge being spread around here, so don't worry about it
  3. Just in addendum, my first post on page 1 just stated that I support the death penalty and why.. Nothing religious and no bible quotes.. In fact, it was others who quoted the bible in response. And of course I think my belief is right, otherwise it would not be my faith and I'd choose another. So you would kill to defend your family, while simultaneously opposing the death penalty..... I see I'll leave now and let you all discuss why mass killers should be coddled and given a second chance, all while proclaiming & explaining why your not extreme pacifist .. Excuse me for thinking that a first degree murder conviction is worthy of a death sentence, while an innocent near new born infant deserves life.
  4. Most of the opinions here are anti-death penalty, so I don't see how the discussion is being bogged down by a single Christian point of view? Remember the opening post; "I have met Christians who believe in the death penalty and others who feel in an advanced civil society it is morally wrong. I am asking all viewpoints". I would not have posted if I had known this was another anti-Christian thread. You need not agree, but its senseless to denigrate a belief that you detest, it kind of removes the "Universal" from ULC.. Its fine with me if your convinced that pacifism is the best way to combat violent murderers, but I am allowed to decent from popular opinion. Its true that ancient goat herders didn't kiss a person who murdered their family or hug a person who raped their wives. But consider that it wasn't so much an 'intellectual disability', but rather that things like that just upset them and they wanted to stop it from happening. Your desire to shower killers with kindness, compassion, and understanding is as illogical to me as my point of view is to you, mainly because it omits any concern for the victims of violent crimes. I will now tap-out of this thread too, as it seems only one opinion is acceptable. Just a wild guess, but I'd assume you have no problem killing a baby 2 minutes prior to birth? And you think my line of reasoning is inconsistent!
  5. I believe you guys are the cherry pickers? Its true, everyone is worthy of death, but believers are saved in Christ (spiritually speaking). I am not judging others to be worthy of death, because from a biblical perspective, anyone outside of Christ is already dead (Revelation 20: 12-13). Its also true that the Pope and I are rarely on the same page . Without penalties, lawlessness would abound. Much of the 613 Mosaic Laws were only intended to govern the Hebrew nation, they were fulfilled or satisfied in Christ. We are now to submit to the laws of the governing authorities (Romans 13: 1-10). I simply believe that the eye for an eye and a life for a life penalties are the most effective as a deterrent against violent crimes. Christians still have the commandments and the 2 greatest ones recited by Christ (Matthew 22: 35-40). Jesus removed the curse of the law, whereby the moral standards required of the Israelites are no longer punishable by death (physically or spiritually). This doesn't exclude punishment for harmful crimes against other people though. Jesus taught not to avenge, but never suggested that no laws needed to be enforced. But in regards to judgement, we are not to hypocritically judge or spiritually condemn others. But obviously, bad behavior requires common sense judgement, law & order can't exist without it.
  6. You need to keep reading for context, when Jesus says, “Judge not”, he’s not really issuing a prohibition on judging others, but is referring to hypocritical judgement or spiritual condemnation. Matthew 7:3-5 explains that a hypocrite judges a person wrongly when they are guilty of the same thing;. "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." So the passage warns of the human tendency to condemn others for flaws that we are likewise at fault of. Paul warned of the same thing, "And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?" (Romans 2:3). Another passage in John 7:24 says, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment". So this commands us to judge.. Everyone must judge right from wrong, good from bad, etc. "Judge not" does not mean we cannot show discernment, because its necessary, but spiritually condemning a person is God's domain. Luke 17:3 says; "If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him". This certainly requires a person to exercise some judgement, every decision and choice we make requires judgement, but the emphases is on righteous judgement. Realistically, people make judgments all the time. If a person commits murder, should a Christian look at that action and say, “That was wrong because God’s Word says not to murder,” or should he say, “I’m not supposed to make a judgment”? And what if someone steals from you, would you say, “That was wrong because God’s Word says not to steal,” or would you say, “I’m not supposed to make a judgment”? If someone tells us that we need to stop judging others, they have actually just judged us, so they are guilty of doing the very thing they tell us not to do.
  7. The law judges a person to death, a jury only determines guilt. The bible doesn't say not to judge, it just instills that you will be judge by the same measure that you judge others. I wouldn't expect to be 'let off' if I murdered someone. Loving your neighbor is also applying a proper penalty upon the person who kills your neighbor. It doesn't matter to me if a rich & smart or a poor & stupid person commits murder, the law should be applied equally to both. That's just how I look at it.
  8. I know you don't like bible quotes but "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matthew 5: 17-18). All but one sin is forgivable, but laws have penalties in the here & now. Praying for ones soul does not exempt them of paying for their crime. Jesus did away with the curse of the law (sin=death), but that just has a spiritual application, it doesn't absolve a person from paying their dues for law breaking in the flesh.
  9. Personal vengeance is negated in place of the law, “But if anyone hates his neighbor, lies in wait for him, rises against him and strikes him mortally, so that he dies, and he flees to one of these cities, then the elders of his city shall send and bring him from there, and deliver him over to the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die. Your eye shall not pity him, but you shall put away the guilt of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with you" (Deuteronomy 19: 11-13).
  10. No surprise, I'm all for the death penalty, a life for a life is fair and just.. But only in the case of premeditated 1st degree murder. I don't believe a killer should get a second chance, after-all, his victim doesn't have one.
  11. Yes, I left and won't post in this section again... I honestly didn't notice the "no religion" category attached to this section, or I wouldn't have posted in the first place. I generally don't check or browse the forum sections, I just respond to Notifications or recent Activity. So I accidentally chimed into the Topic "Do They Really Believe That?" without observing the "no religion" specification. I'll be more careful to observe those type of clarifications in the future. Sorry to have rained on your parade It does seem a bit strange that a 'no religion' disclaimer is attached to a thread about believing religion though? But I reckon it was meant to be exclusively intended and restricted for those who enjoy trashing religion?
  12. That's true, I do accept by faith and with some decent documentation that the bible does consist of accurate copies of the original manuscripts. I don't believe they are someone else's interpretation though. The real proof to me is in the pudding, what's written makes sense and relay's the authentic truth.. I'm fully cognizant that you don't share that view, and wouldn't believe it even if the original manuscripts existed. Call me gullible, but I do accept the authorship and take their word for it.. Just as I'm stupid enough to believe that you wrote the comment above, and even trust that its not someone else's interpretation of what you wrote.
  13. Pete is not engaging like a human being. He is an automatic atheist machine. Thought is not being engaged.. blah blah Not everyone is going to share your opinion, sorry if I ruffled your feathers. Then don't.... No one is twisting your arm. Just skip over my post. Just ignore my post if they bother you, you don't need a button to do that.. No reason to cry like babies about it.
  14. Pattern of gene resemblances proves creationism false? Please.... One common designer using the same pattern to create various kinds of life is more likely and very logical.
  15. The difference is that your silver tablets are not visible and thereby unknown ( I can't show anyone).. If you had found a bible in the woods, you could show everyone (the Gospel must be published among all nations) See how smart that sounds? You don't have an argument... Remember, you believe nothing and don't care.