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What do you think is the biggest misconception...?

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Agnosticism, Atheism, Freethought, Humanism, Ietsism, Irreligion, Naturalism, Nontheism, Objectivism, Rationalism, Skepticism, Secularism

 

Question for this group:
In your experience with explaining your beliefs to someone, what do you run across as being the biggest misconception about your way of life?

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For all the diversity of American religion, there is the bedrock assumption that all religion, all spirituality, all morality and decency are aspects of Monotheism.

 

The standard Monotheist understands Atheism to be a rejection of God.  They do not understand the distinction between -- "I don't believe in God" -- and -- "I believe there is no God."'

 

It is one reason I have come to dislike using the Atheist label.  I got into way too many stupid arguments that I didn't care about.  I would be at a party.  Someone would make small talk by asking me what my religion was.  I would say "Atheist".  Next thing I would know, I would be getting a pleading for mutual tolerance.  It's not my idea of party small talk.

 

When I say "Agnostic" I use it in the traditional way.  Some things are not known or Knowable.  In particular, God.  Pious Monotheists and Hard line Atheists tend to twist that in the same way.  It is not that God's existence is not knowable.  It is that I don't know.  That I can't make up my mind.  That I need to grow a spine.  That I'm hedging my bets.  I catch the same crap from both sides.  

 

It doesn't help things along that I am often inconsistent.  In the course of my Reiki studies, I took an initiation to Sekhmet, the Lion headed goddess of the Egyptian pantheon.  I have used my Reiki -- and related training -- when I look at the Sekhmet statues.  It's like a book of theology to anybody who can look at her and see the obvious.

 

She sits, with a straight spine.  A serpent emerges from her third eye.  The ajna chakra.  She is engaged in a kundalini type exercise and her third eye is open.  Behind her head is the Sun disc.  In Western symbolism, it would be a halo.  Her crown chakra is open.  In her left hand, she holds the Ankh.  She is pulling in power from her symbol.  Her right hand rests flat on her right thigh.  She is sending energy into her root chakra.  All so obvious.  All on the level of mythology and not to be taken literally.  She is stiff.  Ridged.  Distant.  Not to be touched.  Then we look at Bast.  All soft, curvy sensual lines.  This is the one we snuggle with.  Not Sekhmet.  The difference between lioness and cat.  

 

I have also been initiated to Quan Yin.  She started off as Quan Yang.  A male figure, who became Quan Yin, after deciding that a female form was more conducive to mercy, comfort, compassion and healing.  

 

I also have initiations to Medicine Buddha and White Tara.

 

I am not Buddhist and I'm not Pagan -- but I understand a lot more than people expect.  

 

I also have a Jewish background.  My family religion and ethnicity.  I developed my own understanding.  "There is no God and we are his people.".  

 

Before I forget -- long time visitors to this site will remember when I advocated for Pantheism.  I have been through changes.

 

Try and stuff all that into a simple label.  It doesn't work.  This much I can say.  I do not suffer fools gladly.  Life is short.  I can't be bothered.  

 

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On 7/15/2017 at 3:35 PM, Amulet said:

Agnosticism, Atheism, Freethought, Humanism, Ietsism, Irreligion, Naturalism, Nontheism, Objectivism, Rationalism, Skepticism, Secularism

 

Question for this group:
In your experience with explaining your beliefs to someone, what do you run across as being the biggest misconception about your way of life?

That belief and truth are the same as fact. The very idea that any one belief could possibly be absolute is mind boggling to me and could quite possibly be the root misconception across the board.  

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3 hours ago, AmberLF said:

That belief and truth are the same as fact. The very idea that any one belief could possibly be absolute is mind boggling to me and could quite possibly be the root misconception across the board.  

 

Interesting.  We have come to an important distinction.  Belief and Knowledge.

Knowledge is what we actually know, based on evidence.

Belief, for all the passion that belief and faith summon -- is just an opinion.

 

This is why I prefer Agnosticism over Atheism.

As an Agnostic, I can have an intelligent discussion about what we know; and how we know it.

As an Atheist, all I can say is -- I don't believe that.  It's valid, but not interesting.

 

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I think the worst misconception of Atheism is the deliberate misinformation pushed by those of the hardheaded nature, who often act as though it were a simple mistake with language.  You believe there is no God, vs you don't believe in God.  A subtle difference, but one of distinction often in debates with the religious.  The first, they can claim I have made a positive statement.  "There is no God" is a positive statement, and so when it comes to burden of proof, if that were my position I would need to provide evidence for a negative.  The second, "I do not believe in God" does not assert anything to the actual reality or unreality of a divine presence, and therefore I have no need to prove up.  Or, the most proof I need to provide is that I truly don't believe in God, which can be tricky with that whole "Written on the heart" thing that Christians insist I really do believe in God, I am just denying it.  That's quite simply a load of crap.  

Then there is the misinformation that Atheists are really working for the devil, or some other ludicrous statement along those lines.  Obviously, if we don't believe in God, it isn't very likely we believe in a devil either.  I understand that there is a large contingent of Satanists who use the label strictly in the rebellious sense and qualify themselves as Atheists.  I suppose this is a subdivision of Atheism that causes some of us minor irritation in dealing with those who believe all Atheists are Satanists.  "All squibs are squabs, therefore all squabs must be squibs" kind of fallacy.  

The short and simple of my Atheism, and I use the term "my" because I feel everyone has the potential for their own brand of it, is that I do not believe God exists.  

So far as stoicism goes, I am not certain there are misconceptions about it in truth.  I haven't come across any, in any case.  But again, it's one of those paths that the individual has a tendency to personalize within a few basic tenets.

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It's amazing, how many half wits begin by demanding -- Prove there is no God ! They can't even define God, but somehow, you are expected to disprove it.

 

Life is too short for silly arguments with true believers.  I can't be bothered.  I'm starting to think the best label is Apatheist.  As in, "Screw it all.  I don't care.",

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Thanks there are some really interesting points here.

 

I think one of the biggest misconceptions is that Atheist means Anti-theist. And unfortunately a lot of the arguments that come in come from ignorance. And also, there is a misconception that Atheism conflicts with ritual practice. For someone to learn that Buddhism is an atheist religion can confuse people. Satanists mentioning Atheism must make people's heads explode.

 

 

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21 hours ago, cuchulain said:

I think the worst misconception of Atheism is the deliberate misinformation pushed by those of the hardheaded nature, who often act as though it were a simple mistake with language.  You believe there is no God, vs you don't believe in God.  A subtle difference, but one of distinction often in debates with the religious.  The first, they can claim I have made a positive statement.  "There is no God" is a positive statement, and so when it comes to burden of proof, if that were my position I would need to provide evidence for a negative.  The second, "I do not believe in God" does not assert anything to the actual reality or unreality of a divine presence, and therefore I have no need to prove up.  Or, the most proof I need to provide is that I truly don't believe in God, which can be tricky with that whole "Written on the heart" thing that Christians insist I really do believe in God, I am just denying it.  That's quite simply a load of crap.  

Then there is the misinformation that Atheists are really working for the devil, or some other ludicrous statement along those lines.  Obviously, if we don't believe in God, it isn't very likely we believe in a devil either.  I understand that there is a large contingent of Satanists who use the label strictly in the rebellious sense and qualify themselves as Atheists.  I suppose this is a subdivision of Atheism that causes some of us minor irritation in dealing with those who believe all Atheists are Satanists.  "All squibs are squabs, therefore all squabs must be squibs" kind of fallacy.  

The short and simple of my Atheism, and I use the term "my" because I feel everyone has the potential for their own brand of it, is that I do not believe God exists.  

So far as stoicism goes, I am not certain there are misconceptions about it in truth.  I haven't come across any, in any case.  But again, it's one of those paths that the individual has a tendency to personalize within a few basic tenets.

and we agree for the most part,with the exception that not only do i not believe in deity(deities),i have no need for them on my path.

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14 hours ago, Amulet said:

Thanks there are some really interesting points here.

 

I think one of the biggest misconceptions is that Atheist means Anti-theist. And unfortunately a lot of the arguments that come in come from ignorance. And also, there is a misconception that Atheism conflicts with ritual practice. For someone to learn that Buddhism is an atheist religion can confuse people. Satanists mentioning Atheism must make people's heads explode.

 

 

keep in mind,not all buddhists are atheists.but yes buddhism does not teach about deities(tibetan may be the exception,but not for religious reasons).and most satanists will tell you they don't believe in god,nor the devil(or satan for that matter).

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6 hours ago, mark 45 said:

keep in mind,not all buddhists are atheists.but yes buddhism does not teach about deities(tibetan may be the exception,but not for religious reasons).and most satanists will tell you they don't believe in god,nor the devil(or satan for that matter).

 

Tibetan Buddhists understand their gods.  Medicine Buddha personifies healing.  Wisdom Buddha personifies wisdom.  There is no worship.  

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20 hours ago, Amulet said:

Thanks there are some really interesting points here.

 

I think one of the biggest misconceptions is that Atheist means Anti-theist. And unfortunately a lot of the arguments that come in come from ignorance. And also, there is a misconception that Atheism conflicts with ritual practice. For someone to learn that Buddhism is an atheist religion can confuse people. Satanists mentioning Atheism must make people's heads explode.

 

 

 

Just so.  The two words have different meanings.  Some people are both.  It adds to the confusion.  

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On 7/15/2017 at 1:35 PM, Amulet said:

:In your experience with explaining your beliefs to someone, what do you run across as being the biggest misconception about your way of life?

The notion that being a pacifist means being passive, or that being an anarchist means being destructive. I suppose the biggest misconception is the notion that you can know who someone is by knowing who they are not.

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