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If I were going to have to dig them up for heresy I would have to exhume them all!!!!

Well its simple first you have a brain fart and think 21st century BC is 21,000 b.c. instead of 2100 b.c. and then you hope nobody notices. So if the majority of scholars are correct and the OT was written somwhere in the range of 900 - 600 b.c. with most placing it closer to 600 b.c. then the Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta text only predates the Biblical text of the story of Nimrod by 1500 years. And I was in error about it predating Adam and Eve and apologize for "pontificating in this thread". Side Note: Found this web page about theories of Historical Jesus someone may be interested in http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

Are pet ordinations still allowed? I thought they stopped that? Can I get one of my rocks ordained, so then I can stand over my altar and state "upon this rock I buld my church"

I was going to respond with something along the lines that God is not the author of confusion in reference to the myriad number of translations and denominations of Christianity that exist. Then I recalled the tower of Babel Myth and his seeming delight in sending strong delusions for multitudes to be deceived and I had to recant. He seems to love chaos and confusion as much as the next Divinity and since all powers are put in place by His Sovereignty he may have placed those Poops in office himself to add to the fun Of course the Tower of Babel myth is just a reworking of the much much earlier Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta (a legendary Sumerian account, of preserved, early post-Sumerian copies, composed in the Neo-Sumerian period (ca. 21st century BC). 21st century BC thats a whole 1700 years before Adam and Eve were even created!!!

Also makes one wonder to what lengths such reprobates would have gone when they were in control over the scriptures. Do you think such cretins would hesitate for one second to destroy any documents which may have been written by the original followers of Christ if those writings contradicted or opposed them, or if these creeps would hesitate to get the scribes to modify a line or two here and there, if it so pleased them. One of my contentions with those who claim that God protected whichever version to which the believer adheres, is that why would a person believe that if God was incapable of or apathetic to protecting the other versions which exist and are thought to be in error by said claimant.

SOme of these stories are rather amazing!!! The ten worst popes ever http://www.oddee.com/item_96537.aspx

Popes are human too, or are they? I don't know how ture it is, but I have heard some Popes were so naughty their names are not even listed as being Popes. Running off with females and having many children and such.

Well Larry is onto the next leg of his adventure and I don't blame him for deciding to do so before he had to try and digest those hospital chicken croquettes. I hope your sister takes comfort in thinking that his departure on the scale of eternity is less than a quick bathroom break during a TV commercial and that they'll be reunited at some time in the future, or already are doing so in another realm.

I'll add your family to my list of people to pray for.

I'm enjoying it so far. I've read 1-1/2 chapters. I was a bit saddened by the all too familar cosmological statements, which one would think a Holy Spirit Filled person would know better, but I am loving the debate with SImon Magnus. Some of the arguments I would like to go over here, as I have seen one or two where Peter (allegedly) just fails miserably and others where he shines and has given me some new insights in old tired arguments.

http://www.compassionatespirit.com/Recognitions/Intro-Rec-translator.htm Hilgenfeld says: "There is scarcely a single writing which is of so great importance for the history of Christianity in its first stage, and which has already given such brilliant disclosures at the hands of the most renowned critics in regard to the earliest history of the Christian Church, as the writings ascribed to the Roman Clement, the Recognitions and Homilies."2 The importance thus attached to these strange and curious documents by one school of theologians, has compelled men of all shades of belief to investigate the subject; but after all their investigations, a great variety of opinion still prevails on almost every point connected with these books.

Your post reinforces the belief that CHIT HAPPENS!!

Thanks Pete. I'll be fine though, my faith helps me through everything. It is odd but I have learned to let so many things just simply slide down my back now, that once would get me to fly in a rage, quit my job, get depressed and get drunk when I was younger. I guess the Universe decides since I let the little things often slide now its time to ramp things up from time to time. It's not the things that happen to us, but how we react to them. Judging from my reactions today I have evolved some and while stressed I am quite pleased with the way I behaved today.

No matter what I call God whenever I meditate first thing in the morning with praise on my lips and love in my heart and devotion on my mind and get so calm and peacefull I promise that not even armageddon would get me upset, I actually have the worst days imaginable like today. It actually seems like forces mount up to fiercly attack and come against me whenever I do so.

Good thoughts Pete. I wonder if there is any mention of a demiurge in the Kabbalah?

I'm sending her lots of healing energy and positive vibrations.

Yea, did he just wish dead people a merry time?

I don't think Pandora was ordained either before she opened the box, now there is no turning back muhahaha

Thank you friend! I was almost certain you were going to respond with this one from the Gospel of Thomas. 3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you. Thanks for the Phillip quote. I do need to reread Phillip. I skimmed through that Gospel way too quickly only once, more interested in where Jesus had his lips than anything else lol

Yes "the Kingdom of heaven is at hand" is a prevalent theme throughout the New Testament. Now hold out your hand and tell me how far away is Heaven. In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand Matt 3:1-2 (KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matt 4:17 (KJV) And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand Matt 10:7 (KJV The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: Mark 1:15 (KJV) So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled Luke 21:31-32 (KJV) I doubt if any translation or concordance rendering can place heaven two thousand years into the future within the context of these sayings.

Yea there use to be a few of them around here but I think they may have been 'Raptured" or something

Koki's post made me wonder if there are any spell's you can't cast because of the busted foot?

A deity that is worried about the shape of my penis is not the kind of being I want to spend an an eterenity with, I wondered if he practiced designing it with Soild Woks or Play-Doh before he went into production. I would have liked a little LED light on mine for when the lights are out.

Get healed up soon! Do you think Reiki will be of any help in your case?

Thanks for the additional points that slipped my mind Pete. Jesus spoke to them using this illustration: 4 “Suppose a man has 100 sheep and loses one of them. Doesn't he leave the 99 sheep grazing in the pasture and look for the lost sheep until he finds it? 5 When he finds it, he's happy. He puts that sheep on his shoulders and 6 goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says to them, ‘Let's celebrate! I've found my lost sheep!' 7 I can guarantee that there will be more happiness in heaven over one person who turns to God and changes the way he thinks and acts than over 99 people who already have turned to God and have his approval.” Luke 15:3-7 (GW) I don't think God gives a rats hiney whether one is baptized or confirmed, or what denomination one holds to be true. God notices how one treats others and the world we live in and where one's focus spends the majority of it's time and what one seeks. Cool do you feel this is the major theme that runs throughout the parables and is a major key as stated by the verse? Those sinners and tax collectors were most likely Jews who ate with Christ. Do you know where any Gentiles ate with him?