Dan56 Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 15 hours ago, RevBogovac said: Yes, non defendable. <- period. You can jump through loop-holes all you want, but slavery is a bad thing. <- another period. I'm not defending slavery, but because of the socioeconomic situation of old testament Israel, God did allow slavery, but He allowed it for a simple purpose: to help the poor survive. A person could sell himself into slavery (akin to indentured servitude) in order to pay off debt or provide a basic subsistence. If the alternative is starving to death, then I believe slavery is defensible, and God was right to allow it under prescribed rules. How would you have provided for the poor, the hungry, the homeless? Letting them die in the streets is what's not defensible! 12 hours ago, cuchulain said: A person selling their services has a choice. A slave doesnt. Pretty simple stuff here. Exactly 12 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said: You tell me. Why would God -- the All Good -- prevent a preventable war? When all it would have taken was a clear prohibition -- from Jesus -- on owning people as property? Why would God prevent any war? But you asked me. Alright. Either God is evil -- Or God is a fantasy. Maybe, an evil fantasy. That explains why God would not prevent a preventable war. It also explains how neither God, nor Jesus, could outright forbid slavery in all it's forms and permutations. Greedy Preachers? That's your answer? Alright. "By their fruits, you will know them". The Gospels are bringing forth some nasty fruit. Maybe, God should prune the tree. If God existed. If God existed and cared. God said, "Thou shall not steal", did that clear prohibition stop stealing? God set the terms which regulated how servants were treated, but American slavery violated nearly all of them. So why would God prevent a war to correct the problem? The gospels don't bring forth nasty fruit, but people not adhering to the gospels do.. And God plans to uproot the tree, no one escapes judgement. "For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things" (Philippians 3:18-19) 11 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said: Just to be clear -- that was the best solution that God could come up with? God? The best mind of any and all time? Seriously? The best possible solution? "Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death" (Exodus 21:16). Putting someone to death is a permanent solution. God is not an employment agency, nor does He provide public housing for the poor widows in the street, so without direct intercession, letting the poor be servants was a means to meet their needs. We are flying to SW Florida tomorrow because the cold has gotten to us, so I will be incommunicado for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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