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Could it be that evolution is just a step in the on going creation of intelligent design ?

The present "scientific" model is that of "material/realism." They simply do not acknowledge the most important thing -- CONSCIOUSNESS. They call "consciousness" an EIPPHENOMENA of matter. Since many so dogmatically misundertood Darwin and made him some kind of a god, they say that everything is an "accident" -- a happenstance -- and there IS no Universal Intelligence. These poor ignorant folks have no idea of what "science" is at all. Anyone who is familiar with quantum mechanics knows very well that science is no longer stuck in the 19th century. CONSCIOUSNESS has been focused upon in quantum science since the 1980s when Francis Crick (who discovered the geometry of DNA) put out a world call to scientists to become ENGAGED in the serious study of consciousness. Yes, that has been going on intensely ever since. So WHY did Francis Crick do that? Because he fully realized that DNA IS CONSCIOUSNESS MATERIALIZED. So, the research has now concluded that the tiniest quanta IS conscious and fully aware of the epiphenomena it encounteres as well as its own inner drive which operates according to Universal law.

The Holy Grail once called the "Unified Field Theory" already IS and has been expressed mathematically by several scientists from different angles and perspectives. And yes, energy research is FAR beyond what you hear on the news. BIG OIL is still KING you know ... but not for long.

What they discovered was that yes indeed, it is TOTALLY unscientific to say that there is no Universal Intelligence. Utterly absurd. That's like saying there is no such thing as "energy" because it has been found that "energy" IS INFORMATION, not just "raw unintelligent power." From the tiniest quanta (which is energy) it exhibits INTELLIGENCE -- that is, it is highly SELECTIVE ACCORDING TO ENDEMIC LAWS. It CHOOSES according to preordained patterns which exist from the VERY BEGINNING and hold all the way through to MACRO-OBEJCTS and even beyond our 4D world to the SUB QUANTUM HARMONICS existing orthogonally to our 4 space-time. And -- it ALL works together -- like a gigantic HOLOGRAM where EVERY part containes the WHOLE.

ONE CELL of your body can produce an ENTIRE BODY and one quanta of the Universe IS a Universe in itself. Like all quanta of the Universe, our lives represent only a tiny frequency of what IS and a bioform is reflective of the ENTIRE UNIVERSE because we are completely INTERCONNECTED with it and thus with one another.

Of course, the Buddhist, Jews who actually study the ancient texts and many Christians knew that all along. So scientists are now proving that the mystics were not "fools" after all as materialistic science in their tunnel vision had always ASSUMED ever since the artifical "Cartesian Split" back during the time of Descarte.

As Dr. A.R. Borden proponent of the new Life Physics puts it -- "it appears to be a HUGE CONSPIRACY FOR LIFE AND EVOLUTION."

EVERYTHING aims toward that goal of continual striving for perfection. EVERYTHING. Is perfection ever reached? No one knows. What difference does it make? It is the constant PROCESS that is important to the Universal Intelligence. So far, that "process" appears to be infinite and unending.

To accomplish this, involves not only ENTROPY but NEGENTROPY FROM THE QUANTUM POTENTIAL (often called the quantum vauum or zero-point field) as well and it is in a CONSTANT FLUX of CHANGE -- CREATION, DISSOLUTION, CREATION, DISSOLUTION, CREATION while morphing and transforming into more perfect sentient forms. That is the evolution of CONSCIOUSNESS. The Universe is chocked FULL of such LIFE. It is growing conscious AWARENESS with CONSTANT INFORMATION FEEDBACK to the ONE SOURCE from whence it originated.

There are both UPWARD and DOWNWARD chains of causality. DOWNWARD from the first Creative IMPULSE and UPWARD from EVERY QUANTA including the human bioforms made up of those quanta. This constant exchange of information is TIMELESS and carries the whole evolutionary process forward in various HORIZONTAL TIMELINES. The ONE SOURCE from which ALL THAT IS originates in a sui-genesis from the very PRIME CAUSAL REALM at the THOUGHT BOUNDARY beyond which NOTHING can be known. "EIN SOPH" as the ancients called it -- "THE UNKNOWABLE."

A PRIMARY CREATIVE IMPULSE has now been found, out of which the entire Creation proceeds, although those stuck in the dogma of "material/realism" are still completely ignorant of it or refuse to see it because they are supported by grants based upon the "standard model" science and fear loosing their reputations in that club in whom many still mock reality due to clinging onto their old linear thinking.

To grasp this requires HOLONOMIC THINKING instead of the old traditional and customary LINEAR thinking which has led to our assumed DISCONNECTION, through very limited conscious understanding, producing outward things of "science" such as nuclear weapons, deadly viruses as weapons and the destruction of our planet -- under the guise of falsely so-called "science." That is, "science" ignorant of reality which has ruled our dysfunctional world for quite a while. Now, it is finished forever except in the minds of those who cling to the old dysfunctions and petrified dogmas, but is rapidly fading.

"Almighty God" is evolving by getting to know and constantly discover HIM/HER SELF through feedback from the Great Creation. Whenever a human being does the same, he is flowing in consistancy with the entire Universe and all its Laws. It is like a GIANT EXPERIMENT where every detail is recorded, contemplated and adjusted for LIFE and EVOLUTION in TOTAL SHAREDISTRIBUTABILITY which is otherwise known as "AGAPE LOVE." That is, the information field is fully accessible to all its component parts, both upon sentient inquiry and on a "need to know" basis with less sentient forms.

It is like an Elephant being in ones living room and folks are saying, "huh, I don't see no Elephant." Such tunnel vision is brought on by enculcation with false doctrines which become dogmas that, for $$$ and career's sake, must not be questioned. Of course, REAL scientist constantly question everything, including their own precepts. ESPECIALLY their own precpets since the OBSERVER has been proven to be an equal influence on every outcome. But many, just as in reliigon, have become petrified in their thinking (which they refer to as "scientific) and remain self-satisfied with long dead dogma that here in 2009 is beginning to smell rather rank, although 200 years ago people thought it was how things are.

So, in reality there IS no "VERSUS." None. Science without consciousness/intelligence/Universal Law/energy/spirituality is NOT "science" at all. And "religion/spirituality" is meaningless without "KNOWING" -- which is what the word "science" MEANS in the first place.

Science and spirituality now merge as ONE. The separation between the two was entirely artificial to start with.

So, both "religion" and "science" are ONE AND THE SAME. There was a particular point in history where the "Cartesian Split" between the spiritual and the material took place. It was during the time of Descarte. But that split was only for the sake of the false doctrines and dogmas of Priestcraft religion AND the false doctrines and dogmas of falsely so-called "material - science" which still prevail in the outworn "standard model" of "science" still being parrotted in our educational institutions today that have NOT caught up with what the quantum energetic science has discovered since Darwin -- even since Einstein who was also made into some kind of false "god" by many so-called scientists who should know better.

Both Darwin AND Einstein turned over in their graves since both were highly creative and non dogmatic. Others, such as NIcola Tesla and Wilhelm Reich were completely IGNORED because they didn't "fit" the arbitrary "standard model" according to some. However, all four of those contributed greatly to today's quantum discoveries and the new fields of energetics including BIOENERGETICS and EPIGENETICS (Dr. Bruce Lipton and Dr. Frank Maye.)

The new scientific directions which have broken out of the old dead "materialist/realist standard model" are VERY exciting and promising indeed for a sane future and workable civilization on planet earth to give to our children after this dysfunctional one crumbles to dust and ashes through the weight of its own corruption and unreality.

namaste.

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What they discovered was that yes indeed, it is TOTALLY unscientific to say that there is no Universal Intelligence. Utterly absurd. That's like saying there is no such thing as "energy" because it has been found that "energy" IS INFORMATION, not just "raw unintelligent power." From the tiniest quanta (which is energy) it exhibits INTELLIGENCE -- that is, it is highly SELECTIVE ACCORDING TO ENDEMIC LAWS. It CHOOSES according to preordained patterns which exist from the VERY BEGINNING and hold all the way through to MACRO-OBEJCTS and even beyond our 4D world to the SUB QUANTUM HARMONICS existing orthogonally to our 4 space-time. And -- it ALL works together -- like a gigantic HOLOGRAM where EVERY part containes the WHOLE.

This is a classic flawed assumption of the double slit experiment. Quanta's of energy do not CHOSE anything based an ANY preordained patterns. This is what makes quantum mechanics so hard to grasp. It is so outside the norm of anything we relate to. Quantum mechanics says that the universe is entirely probablistic. That everything depends on chance. This is why Albert Einstein hated quantum mechanics and why he famously said, "God doesn't play dice with the universe." The problem with this statement is that it is wrong, which is why Bohr replied, "Don't tell God what he can or can't do." Bell proved Einstein wrong with his paper on entangled quantum states in 1964. I'm not familiar with any leading thinkers in our day who believe that quanta makes choices. Quanta are not predictable like common phenomena we experience everyday. i.e. if you drop something you can safely predict it will fall to the ground. Quanta behave according to their own rules which are based on chance. i.e. if you drop a quanta there is a %50 chance it will fall to the ground, and a %50 chance it will be someplace else. There are absolutely no laws that govern this chance, it's just chance. No one would suggest that the quanta decides which option according to its own conscious.

Science should never be mixed with religion, and vice versa. If someone thinks they know all the laws of science and that all the facts are in, then they should check again. Likewise if someone thinks that religion will help them solve deep questions of science, then I think they should probably check again also.

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Just throwing in a line from the Book of Job:

"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?" -God

The Earth doesn't have foundations. You'd think that God would know that.

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The Earth doesn't have foundations. You'd think that God would know that.

Unless one considers magnetism, gravity and the stronger and weaker nuclear forces as foundations.

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This is a classic flawed assumption of the double slit experiment. Quanta's of energy do not CHOSE anything based an ANY preordained patterns. This is what makes quantum mechanics so hard to grasp. It is so outside the norm of anything we relate to. Quantum mechanics says that the universe is entirely probablistic. That everything depends on chance. This is why Albert Einstein hated quantum mechanics and why he famously said, "God doesn't play dice with the universe." The problem with this statement is that it is wrong, which is why Bohr replied, "Don't tell God what he can or can't do." Bell proved Einstein wrong with his paper on entangled quantum states in 1964. I'm not familiar with any leading thinkers in our day who believe that quanta makes choices. Quanta are not predictable like common phenomena we experience everyday. i.e. if you drop something you can safely predict it will fall to the ground. Quanta behave according to their own rules which are based on chance. i.e. if you drop a quanta there is a %50 chance it will fall to the ground, and a %50 chance it will be someplace else. There are absolutely no laws that govern this chance, it's just chance. No one would suggest that the quanta decides which option according to its own conscious.

Science should never be mixed with religion, and vice versa. If someone thinks they know all the laws of science and that all the facts are in, then they should check again. Likewise if someone thinks that religion will help them solve deep questions of science, then I think they should probably check again also.

IMHO and the opinion of many many scientists nowdays, except for those working for the Military/Industrial Complex who hold the position of final authority as far as the public is concerned, there is a basic predictability inherent in every subquanta and quanta in the Universe: LIFE and EVOLUTION OF CONSCIOUSNESS. That is because the Universe has PURPOSE and BASIC INTENT and that basic intent is evolving life. ALL is for this. Science and spirituality now merge because to leave consciousness and mind out of the equation, as the old so-called "science" does in the now defunct "Standard Model" is NOT science at all. It fact it is a religious cult of dogmatic materialism.

When was the last time you dropped a blowing ball and it flew away? Yep, it is made up of quanta and SUB quanta. When was the last time you saw a dog give birth to a cat? All chance eh? If you really think so, you are very depressed indeed.

Does an individual quanta make a choice? Yes it does. That choice is to choose the basic drive of the Universe -- evolutionary life. The sub-quanta and quanta organize mathematically. The "randomness" is only how it appears when an observer, such as you or I, becomes involved. This is what the double-slit experiment is all about.

This famous (or infamous) experiment is about human consciousness. When trying to determine if a single electron is a particle or a wave, it was found that it is both and neither depending upon how one observes it. Watch the video above, it is an excellent and clear explanation. As it turns out, our ENTIRE oberservation of the energy impinging upon our senses is this way. WE create our own reality by HOW we perceive it. We project our inner perception outward and call that "reality."

This gives support to Michael Talbot's "Holographic Universe" and Physicist David Bohm's view of interconnetivity also, as well as many others who are very aware of this also.

So, if the scientist does not know WHO and WHAT HE IS, and if the scientists does not intuitively sense the interconneticity of the entire Universe, ALL his perceptions are inaccurate. And the extent of the accuracy of his perceptions are determined by the extent to which he knows WHO and WHAT HE IS.

ALL is energy, as Einstien said. We INTERPRET this energy impinging upon our senses according to the processes of our mental processing grids. This process is no longer the mystery it once was. Our interpretations are personal, although influenced by social consensus reality, cultural consensus, education, knowledge, personal trauma etc etc. From all these factors existant in our memory processing system, we FORMULATE the reality of what we see, hear, taste, smell and feel (which includes INTUITION as well). So our views of the Universe, even among scientists, VARY according to HOW we interpret it. Up until consciousness became revealed through the intense study of it, OBJECTIVE reality was considered in some way to be solid and unchangable but with the understanding of the subjective element, (perception and consciousness) that all changed.

Only when the quanta are organized into sentient beings does rebellion against the Universal principal come into play. No, quanta cannot rebel, simply because they don't WANT to. The freedom is inherent even in the subquanta and is expressed in the organization of the sentient beings who can EXPERIMENT in order to prove how the Universe works or how it DOES NOT work. Not only is there ENTROPY, but NEG-ENTROPY as well. Both organizing and dissolution principals. Your old science only recognized ENTROPY. But it is now proven that BOTH form the Universal ONENESS. A WAVE of duality in the midst of a SINGULARITY. As physicist David Bohm and others have said, the Universe is both EXPLICIT and IMPLICIT not just EXPLICIT. The Universe is a huge mega-hologram with UPWARD causality (which the old "Standard Model" recogmizes") BUT ALSO ..... DOWNWARD causality, which is the basic Universal CREATIVE impluse to produce the innate quantum drive of evolution toward conscious awareness.

Until the 1980s, consciousness and mind were consider by the "Standard Model" to be epiphenomenal "artifacts" of PHYSICAL MATTER which in the reductionists philolophy of the defunct "Standard Model" and was considered to be PRIMARY.

So, all your "science" before the world wide push to understand human consciousness is null and void as an overall "model." It IGNORES THOUGHT AND CONSCIOUSNESS -- the two most important elements in ANY knowledge whatsoever. The old scientific paradigm believed that ALL can be reduced to a PARTICLE and even now continues spending billions in vain to search for the "Higgs Boson" -- the so-called "God" particle. Stephen Hawkings has seen WAY beyond this and has predicted .... "THEY WILL NEVER FIND IT." And .... they haven't. And won't because what they are looking for and don't know it is a SINGULARITY that is OMNIPRESENT -- everywhere and everytime all at once. "God" is not a particle. Nor is "God" a wave. GOD IS OMNIPOTENT, OMNICIENT and .... OMNIPRESENT. Transcendent but at the same time TOTALLY INVOLVED continually in Creation from the tiniest quanta and subquanta to the most energetic STAR. "God" is the ONE SOURCE OF ALL THAT IS. "God" is YOU, ME and the cat too. The tree, the river and the mountain, as well. That primary essence that we call "God" is at the ROOT of everything and it is ONE. All that emerges out of the ONE is TWO -- that is CREATION. A yin yang -- a frequency -- a WAVE -- a duality -- up and down, this and that. A projected HOLOGRAM with THOUGHT and INTENTION behind it.

This is not "religion." This is science that recognizes thought and consciousness which simply CANNOT be ignored any longer.

No, YOU are not an "accident." YOUR life has a definite MEANING and PURPOSE. Really. The Existentialists of the 1930s, 40s and 50s were VERY depressed because they were so detached from reality due to having come under the seducing influce of the fake "science" of the day. "Science" FALSELY so-called. This materialist/realist philosophy came close to DESTROYING the entire planet. May this ignorance perish forever. It is 100% ANTI-LIFE and ANTI-EVOLUTION and ANTI-CREATION and substitutes SELFISHNESS, FEAR and ANGST instead.

I grew up in the 1950s and 1960s and 1970s where the threat of WORLD ANNIHILATION loomed over us all. Why? Due to this absurd Cartesian split that occured back in the time of Descarte. Utter foolishness. A "deal" between the pious Cardinals and those who wished to explore nature. The scientists said, "you pious Cardinals handle the spiritual aspects -- and WE will explore the physical." DONE DEAL and NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET. The Cardinals were fearful that the ones exploring nature would find out something which didn't fit into their predetermined dogma -- such as that the earth was not the center of the Universe. However, the twain HAS NOW met, in spite of this criminal "deal" several centuries ago that has cause so much divisiveness on our planet.

The great step forward that will eventually bring us OUT of this nonsense is the exploration and understanding of HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS, untertaken since Francis Crick called for it in the late 1980s. Your scientists who still cling to the old disproven "Standard Model" do their VERY BEST to ignore all this work which has been going on intensely WORLD WIDE.

It is hard for new knowledge to overcome old dogmatic entrenchments.

However, consciousness and thought can no longer be ignored. Why was it ignored? Simply because it means an ENTIRE new paradigm for planet earth. The people entrenched in their dysfunctions are AFRAID of such a huge change. You see, the old reductionist model produces human FEAR because it leads them to believe that their life has NO PRIMARY MEANING and that the Universe is an ACCIDENT and all that nonsense.

The work of the scientists I have mention PROVE that not to be the case. It can no longer be ignored because this old error has brought us to the brink of suicidal destruction.

Recognizing the ONE SOURCE is required in order to have any clue whatsoever as to WHO and WHAT ones real identity IS. If a person does not know WHO and WHAT they are ..... ANY KNOWLEDGE they may have is totally inaccurate because it has no solid basis. No foundation. The observer observes and is foundational to what he is observing because HE must interpret what he is obseriving in order to express and communicate it. If the observer does not know WHO he is, then what he observes is pure speculation and presumption. All the great spiritual teachers have told us this.

Now what has been called "science" has made this discovery and things will NEVER be the same. Thank God.

The results of our civilization's scientific materialism is seen all around us because it has become the dogma which rules our culture. And, not surprisingly, our culture and so-called "civilzation" is rapidly dissolving. Total collapse is the result of our mistaken self identity which IGNORES consciousness, mind, thought and intention and thus ignores individual will and creativity. In this false lopsided scientific paradigm, the world has become ROBOTIC and human beings act like automatons instead of the creative artists that they actually are.

The results (fruit) of such dysfunction is HUNGER, POVERTY, DESPOTISM, SELFISHNESS, WAR, HATRED, DIVISION, CONFUSION and FEAR. All of this is about to work itself out, end forever, and allow human beings on planet earth to begin once again to evolve and flourish.

And that, of course, is the meaning of this huge shift that is underway.

The Universe has PURPOSE. That purpose is EVOLVING LIFE and that EVOLVING LIFE IS CONSCIOUSNESS. I have already given long lists of scientists who know this very well. Don't think that just because you may not be familiar with physicists such as David Bohm, A.R. Bordon, Bruce Lipton, Eugene Mallove that physics has not moved beyond Einstien and Bohr. In many things they, although revered in their day and great contributors, have been proven totally wrong. Example. Einstein's speed of light limitation.

There is a science revolution afoot that recognizes the quantum potential as energy, intelligence and INFORMATION. Oh yes there is.

But many are stuck and frozen in the old materialist/realist "Standard Model" -- now proven to be only ONE HALF of the equation. The other half is monist/idealist. The Universe is IDEOMATERIAL -- that is, THOUGHT -- MATTER. In the beginning was the THOUGHT and it materialized into the multifarious worlds of time and space.

Wise men have alwasy known this, but materialistic "science" denys it and thus denys life itself. That old paradigm is now DEAD but some try to reanimate it and produce nothing but walking zombies -- the living dead. They need to all go back to their coffins and are rapidly doing so because they have no where else to go.

The Cartesian split has a history going back to Descarte. It was an artifical split from the beginning due to an agreement between those who wished to find out how nature operates and those who thought they already knew it all -- the Roman Catholic dogma. Now, the situation is reversed. The "Standard Model" is the know-it-all dogma that is petrified. That is not "science" at all but a religious cult. A VERY destructive religious cult. A religion that worships at the srine of materialism and does the bidding of the Military/Industrial Complex and all its minions.

Just look at it this way. Judge the tree by the fruit it bears. The "fruit" of that old "Standard Model" is NUCLEAR WEAPONRY that can annihilate all life on the planet. INSIDEOUS WEAPONRY such as chemical and biological. Use of the world's resources to control the minds and souls of men. POSIONING the air, earth, water and fire. WAR. Creating despair and hopelessness. Allowing despotism to rule. Making a GOD out of $$$.

Yes, that is the fruit of the Cartesian split. Now it is becoming recognized that such a split was completely irrational to begin with. If anyone can look at the state of todays world and not understand that what is going on is completely illogical and counterproductive on every front, not to say "insane," they are mind controlled slaves living in a cage -- and haven't a clue because their thinking is compltely stultified.

I suggest you find out what the new science is revealing in the 21st century. All it takes is pulling yourself away from the traditional UNscientific dogma that ignores mind and consciousness all together in favor of physical matter which they assume to be at the root of everything. In other words, this old unscientific paradigm is substituting a dead idol, which can neither see, hear, think or feel, for the basic living drive of the Great Creation and everything and every being in it. It is no wonder that under such a cult there is NO respect for the web of life nor any personal responsibility for it. Nor is there any empathy brought about from the certainty of our interconnectivity with all that is and thus very little appreciation, compassion, forgiveness, humility, understanding nor valor. When we get beyond the narcotic stupor produced by the unbalanced materialst/realist paradigm, we can allow our hearts to become energetic and begin to dwell in the realm of those six virtues that HEAL rather than destroy humanity, which, of course, includes US.

Religion is NOT spirituality. The philosophy of materialism is NOT science. DOGMA is not science. DOGMA is NOT spirituality. However, dogma is often "religion" AND falsely so-called "science" as well which is a religious cult to some. DOGMA of any kind doe NOT allow for any further insight or progress -- OR -- dogma trys to take control of all progress, thus ENSLAVING mankind.

But .... "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free." That's ALL of us who love the truth and refuse to stop short of it.

namste.

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..... There are absolutely no laws that govern this chance, it's just chance. No one would suggest that the quanta decides which option according to its own conscious.

I'm not stating that this isn't the case, but how can we be sure that the quanta aren't deciding where to go on their own. Just because they don't follow any known laws.

I would think that examples of things avoiding laws would be proof of intelligence and free will.

It seems to me to be like science trying to predict were I will be tomorrow at 4:37 pm.

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Pmdirac,

I am enjoying having this conversation with you and appreciate your willingness to discuss it and stand up for your point of view.

I once again apologize for the length of this post. It didn’t start out that way I assure you.

Please do not misunderstand me here. What I write below is my own individual insight and I do not claim it to be “absolute” in any way whatsoever. This is my own conclusion arrived at after having studied and participated with some of the scientist I mentioned.

No, I am not a scientist myself – I am a jazz musician and novelist -- however there are those scientists that consider science to be a communal endeavor and appreciate the insights of non scientists such as myself. In other words, there are some scientists who broaden their perspectives beyond academia.

I have learned a lot from these guys having had the opportunity for interaction with some of them. One of them asked me to write up a couple of essays for their new website, not yet up online, and to do so, I had to read three new books (to be publically published shortly) and understand them. WHEW!

What they discovered was that yes indeed, it is TOTALLY unscientific to say that there is no Universal Intelligence. Utterly absurd. That's like saying there is no such thing as "energy" because it has been found that "energy" IS INFORMATION, not just "raw unintelligent power." From the tiniest quanta (which is energy) it exhibits INTELLIGENCE -- that is, it is highly SELECTIVE ACCORDING TO ENDEMIC LAWS. It CHOOSES according to preordained patterns which exist from the VERY BEGINNING and hold all the way through to MACRO-OBEJCTS and even beyond our 4D world to the SUB QUANTUM HARMONICS existing orthogonally to our 4 space-time. And -- it ALL works together -- like a gigantic HOLOGRAM where EVERY part containes the WHOLE.

pmdirac said:

This is a classic flawed assumption of the double slit experiment.

Please explain what you mean.

Quanta's of energy do not CHOSE anything based an ANY preordained patterns.

There is only ONE preordained pattern. It is a basic Universal intention of Creation and all the Universal Laws are for this and for this only. Laws such as Cause and Effect. Attraction. Transformation. These Laws are Cosmic (All - Inclusive) and are everywhere and everytime existing in all the infinite worlds of time and space which the old science assmed to be mostly lifeless and “dead” matter. “Maybe out there someplace millions of light years away there maybe might be some primitive “life” as we know it.”

While they are peering into their telescopes looking way way out there, the Universal Intelligence is tapping on their shoulder saying, “hello there, pay attention.”

The preordained pattern is to produce EVOLVING LIFE to the point of total awareness of the ONE SELF. Yes, my friend, the Universe is literally TEAMING with life. As we know it? Yes, AS WE KNOW IT ... but also ... NOT as we know it as well. A process which is infinite. The entire Universe is a gigantic PROCESS of transformational energy which is intelligent information with a goal -- to EVOLVE LIFE on multifarious frequencies. Our present 4D earth plane (frequency) is only one of those.

This is what makes quantum mechanics so hard to grasp.

It is impossible to grasp without stepping outside the old petrified "standard model" of materialist/realist "science" falsely so-called. Although quantum theory BEGAN there, with Niels Bohr and the "standard model" physicists of that day, it is NO LONGER there but a new model being established by the new Life Physics (based upon David Bohm’s work and the work of A.R. Bordon, Tom Bearden, Nicola Tesla and many others, including biologist Bruce Lipton, biophysicist Dan Burish, who recently blew the minds of the scientists at Cal Tech with his presentation on his Lotus Project that completely revises how life on planet earth came about. Also, Dr. Marcia McDowel, Dans partner, who studies sonobioluminesence and how various frequencies of sound effect physical matter -- one of the most promising and practical modern scientific pursuits.

It is so outside the norm of anything we relate to.

Speak for yourself. “We” is the old scientific paradigm, now defunct. It cannot be related to with linear thinking. It can only be related to with holonomic thinking which is completely outside the old "standard model" of materialistic, reductionistic linear thinking which very mistakenly refused to take consciousness, mind, thought and Spirit into account and was looking for a completely reductionistic, materialistic answer to what Mother Nature is about. A very vain pursuit to say the least.

Quantum mechanics says that the universe is entirely probablistic.

Yep, in the days of Niels Bohr. Quantum Physics has now progressed WAY beyond that. The “probablistic” view is only true when approached via the old "standard model" of the Cartesian Split in the time of Descarte, which in Niels Bohr’s day was still all there was, where, many centuries ago, those who wished to study nature appeased the Catholic Church by agreeing to leave all things "spiritual" up to them, (“Your in good hands with ALL-STATE” :pope: ) since they insisted upon it and would not have allowed such inquiry about Mother Nature had this condition not been met. This at least gave some foothold (where there was little before) for those who wanted to observe and discover Mother Nature, even though the most important items were ignored publically, such as consciousness, mind, thought and Spirit.

Those were left to the tender mercies of the absolutist and highly dogmatic Roman Cardinals.

This is how our standard "science" started on the road of reductionistic materialism -- only HALF of the eqation ignoring the other half.

The Universe is now found to be IDEOMATERIAL = THOUGHT/MATTER.

That everything depends on chance.

Think about what this says. "Everything depends on chance." That means, no intention, no will, life is just a rare chemical reaction, a rare accident, a chance happening with no meaning, there is no Universal Law, energy is random, there is no Universal Intelligence or Mind, consciousness is just an epiphenomenon of physical matter, there is no Spirit, no consciousness survives death, the Universe is nothing but a huge gambling casino of probablilities only partially discerned, the great teachers were just delusional, the prophets were fools and religious fanatics, taking personal responsibility is only a matter of whatever is expedient for ones own present welfare according to whatever one thinks that is, there are no consequences for ones own actions, evolution is simply the physical survival of the fittest in which the physically strongest or most clever wins by killing off the weakest and stupidest. Sounds like some bankers I know – some of our present world “shakers and movers” also.

hmmmm ... sounds a lot like todays world philosophy (a man-made RELIGION in itself) that has brought us to the brink of self-annihilation and the total trashing of the planet – which in this reductionistic view of course, is nothing but non living rock and mud and dead liquid -- all of which is just there for "hghly intelligent" homo sapiens sapiens to exploit however he chooses according to his view of how to SURVIVE, which is what reality is all about to them.

To tell you the truth, brother, this is religious hyprocrisy.

It is falsely so-called "scientific" DOGMA which is percisely the same as RELIGIOUS DOGMA. For one thing, this view says there is no such thing as Universal law and yet promotes at least ONE Universal Law which is best described as "the Law of the Jungle" which boils down to "Might makes Right" and "Its a dog eat dog Universe, only the strong and clever survive."

This view says that SURVIVAL IS ALL. So, the hypocrisy is in the fact that, while denying any Universal law, they promote one called "Survival of the Fittest" which says that "survival is everything." And, of course, this is how they view "evolution" a UNIVERSAL drive to ... "SURVIVE." Therefore, a Cosmic Law, although they say there is no such thing as a Universal All-Inclusive LAW. Hyprocrisy. They are ignorant about how Universal Law operates – such as Cause and Effect, Attraction, Intention and Transformation.

"Evolution" in this paradigm is totally UNCONSCIOUS and the drive to "survive" (which IS conscious) drives the hidden and unconscious "evolution" which can only be described in this paradigm as INSTINCTUAL, having nothing to do with vectored intention – or “will.” Nothing co-operative, just mindless instinct.

This is why Albert Einstein hated quantum mechanics and why he famously said, "God doesn't play dice with the universe." The problem with this statement is that it is wrong, which is why Bohr replied, "Don't tell God what he can or can't do."

Here Niels pretends to believe in an Almighty God with no direction, intention or purpose, only hooked on gambling. Sounds to me like Niels was “creating” a non-existant “Almighty God” in his own image simply for the purpose of trying to refute Einstein.

Einstein wouldn’t buy it because he was a man whose study of Nature had proven to him that the Universe operates via law and intention. What is that intention? LIFE and EVOLUTION. That is, LIFE in constant TRANSFORMATION. Some have described it as a huge “Universal Conspiracy for LIFE.” And every quanta participates willingly by following its innate BLISS. That is the “choice” it makes – not the way a homo sapiens sapiens or a Dolphin makes a “choice” via cognitive reasoning. A “choice” none the less – but in the case of a quantum and sub-quantum particle, always a wise one since it is fully aware of the Universal purpose to create EVOLVING LIFE which can eventually engage in self-inquiry when organized into a complex oscillating biological entity.

You see, Einstein was INTUITIVELY correct and has since been proven correct by the latest most advanced science. In other things, such as the speed of light limit, he was not correct. This is because the understanding of TIME, TIMELINES, VERTICAL and HORIZONTAL TIME and the HOLOGRAPHIC nature of the Universe had not yet been established by later scientists such as David Bohm. And the new information discovered about TIME has only come in the last few years from scientists like Dan Burish and others who have been in direct contact with various extraterrestrial bioforms which have been not only visiting earth but contacting thousands of people on earth since 1947 -- including many governments on earth including the U.S. Briton, Germany, Russia, Canada, China and Brazil. but with few exceptions, by far, the greatest information gleaned from our extraterrestrial frineds and neighbors has been via CIVILIANS. The Military/Industrial Complex is only concerned with "National Security" and are thus VERY paranoid of this phenomena at the highest levels.

And, by the way, the best minds on planet earth have vigorously been involved in studying this phenomena since 1947. Some, but not all, of their information has now been publically released. For example, Dan Burish's public DEBRIEFING after having face to face interaction on behalf of the U.S. Government -- a time traveler from one of our own possible future timelines which was called a J-Rod. Find out about it for yourself.

You see, in the ONENESS of the Universal Hologram of total quantum entanglement, every quanta and subquanta are energetically and informationally interconnected.

The same thing David Bohm, A.R. Bordon, Dr. Bruce Lipton, Tom Bearden and many many more also discovered (since the time of Neils Bohr) in their various scientific pursuits.

Neither Niels Bohr NOR Einstein knew anything at all about how TIME operates or about how planet earth fits into the Cosmic picture.

Bell proved Einstein wrong with his paper on entangled quantum states in 1964.

No he did not. He in no way “proved” that God plays dice with the Universe. Where on earth do you get that? I think I know.

I'm not familiar with any leading thinkers in our day who believe that quanta makes choices.

“Leading” according to what? Leading WHERE? Look around you. Have those who have been “leading thinkers” done such a good job? Is leading the world into despair and suicidal destruction productive or counterproductive to EVOLUTIONARY LIFE?

It depends upon whose “lead” you take. I take the leading of those who have insight as well as mechanical, materialistic “knowledge.” I have already given you a very few names which will lead you to many others, if you so choose.

Back to your paragraph that I quoted --- Not choiceS but A choice which is to be a living part of the Universal Conspiracy for EVOLUTIONARY LIFE. This is the most basic desire in the Universe because it represents BLISS consciousness. “Follow your bliss,” as Joseph Campbell once said. It is a “choice” because INTENTION is innate in ALL THAT IS. Every quanta and subquanta is energetically mingled and exists in complete SHAREDISTRIBUTABILITY (also known as Agape Love) with every other quanta and subquanta in this entire Universal Hologram. That means, at the deepest level, every quanta and subquanta is energetically interconnected (entangled or mingled) with all that is.

You and I are made up of those quanta and subquanta. And by the way, both subquanta and quanta are ENERGY. Einstien WAS correct when he said, "MATTER DOES NOT EXIST -- ALL IS ENERGY." Right on.

We have intention and will and purpose which is innate down to the finest level, not just a result of our cognitive reasoning. Not until a being has evolved to the point of cognitive reasoning (represented by human beings) can one rebel against this Universal intention and that too is a matter of choice – and like all choices has consequences (which the dead Standard Model also will not admit because they do not recognize the Overfunction of Universal Law, only various systems of highly limited man-made mathematics. Structured according to very limited conceptual theories that ignore the original Spiritual meanings of numbers.) Quantum Physics has even called for new mathematics in an effort to comprehend the incomprehensible. Some mathematics are so abstract that they are little more than a mystery inside a metaphore wrapped in an enigma. Really nothing more than a mental exercise through a labyrinth of supposition upon supposition upon presumption. This can keep a person distracted from reality for a lifetime.

The ancients knew the meaning and use of numbers very well but their knowledge is considered to be too "occult" and "primitive." However, they could do some technological things that are considered to be "impossible" by any technology we have today. The extraterrestrial bioform use numbers in the same way the ancients on planet earth did and, in fact, GAVE that knowledge to early homo sapiens sapiens having MENTORED them. Now, much of it has become impractical, theoretical and obscure.

I am talking about a Universal Intention here which, of course, is denied by the reductionistic/materialistic paradigm.

The advancements in Quantum Science have departed from the “chance” theory and come around full circle to ETERNAL PURPOSE. Yep. And, no, I am not just talking about “Christians” here but about all who have some Spiritual insight and that includes some people in every culture on earth.

Most people inculcated with religion of any kind, especially the religion of materialistic reductionism, have trouble with this. They have a long going fight with what they refer to as “religion” not realizing that they are in the exact same dogmatic position and thus equally in bondage. Their antedote to “religion” is materialistic reductionistic “realism.” But the real fulfillment (and dissovling at the same time) of “religion” is genuine Spirituality based upon direct experience.

You see, brother, there was never any reason at all for a “VERSUS” since both sides of the prime-time wrestling match were fully engrossed in the exact same error. And that engrossment did nothing but produce a bad case of tunnel vision on both sides.

MORE in my next post.

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This one aint as long. :rolleyes:

Quanta are not predictable like common phenomena we experience everyday.

That’s right. But even what seems to be “predictable” in common phenomena brings … SURPRISES. Like the Qigong Master who demonstrated his chi by setting a bundle of newspapers on fire.

It is because we often do not recognize the Universal Intention. And that is exactly why planet earth is in such a state of fear, stress, confusion and angst at the moment. All our “predictions” are based upon the limitations of our mental processing grids – until we start paying attention to our intuitions and develop our conscious awareness of them. This “groking/gnosing” is a knowing that goes beyond our mental processing grids. However, that mental cognitive process is the only way we have of explaining and describing in limited human language that which is far beyond words because such knowing exists at a far more basic level – a quantum level, in fact. Even a subquantum level.

i.e. if you drop something you can safely predict it will fall to the ground.

Yep, that is because there is a Universal Law called “ATTRACTION” which we would call “GRAVITY” in this case. However, as is now proven, gravity can be nullified. Volumes of Catholic literature stored in the Vatican tell of various “saints” who levitated regularly with eye witness accounts. Now we know HOW and WHY. Our extraterrestrial frineds and relatives have no problem at all overcoming “gravity.” However, the Law of Attraction is a Universal Law. “Gravity” is a local occurrence and highly variable.

Quanta behave according to their own rules which are based on chance. i.e. if you drop a quanta there is a %50 chance it will fall to the ground, and a %50 chance it will be someplace else.

It only appears to the limited human mind to be “chance.” Human resoning which is in no way absolute. Quanta are not effected by earth gravity until assembled into objects such as visible light and bowling balls. However, the Universal Law of Attraction is always at work. The quanta pop in and out of our 4D realm. Where do they pop out from? They pop out from the virtual Quantum Potential and often pop back into it out of our sensory and instrumental range. In their individual quantum state they are totally unpredictable and appear to be chaotic. So WHY are they totally unpredictable? Because our scientists of the Standard Model are completely in the dark about the basic Intention of the Universe, which is EVOLUTIONARY LIFE. What is totally predictable about these quanta is that all their popping in and out is merely their readiness to condense into more solid form in a given horizontal timeline. There are an infinite number. The Quantum Potential is also called the “TIME DOMAIN” because it is totally outside of our horizontal timeline. That’s why the influence and confluence of the quanta have been witnessed as coinciding instantly clear across the Universe transcending the speed of material light limitation imposed by Einstien but now totally disproven – but, of course, not admitted by those who still cling to the old belief system of materialistic reductionism.

It is only our ignorance and mental limitation that can say that they are based on “chance.” A supposition due to lack of knowledge as to what their puposeful intention is.

There are absolutely no laws that govern this chance, it's just chance.

According to your present knowledge and understanding but not according to many others who have gone further than Niels Bohr and Einstein, such as the scientists I have mentioned.

No one would suggest that the quanta decides which option according to its own conscious.

Nope. It already made its conscious choice -- ONE choice, according to the Universal Consciousness and according to the Universal Mind and the Great Creation – for EVOLUTIONARY LIFE and all its bliss and its individual vectored intention is to fulfill that choice.

Science should never be mixed with religion, and vice versa.

I fully agree. Religion and Spirituality are in no way the same thing. Religion is of men’s doctrines and dogmas and has the intention of fulfilling regulations given by human authority figures. Spirituality is of the Universal Mind and Spirit and has the intention of fulfilling the Universal intention. Many people also use the word “belief” and “faith” as the same thing. But, “belief” is clinging on. “Faith” is letting go. That’s why they are two words. In fact, they are direct opposits, just like “religion” and “spirituality.” No wonder our present world is totally confused about most everything.

If someone thinks they know all the laws of science and that all the facts are in, then they should check again.

Yes, we should all take that advice. Including you. Including me. But, more that that, “facts” are entirely linear. Discovering Mother Nature requires holonomic thinking and linear thinking is a hinderance to that discovery because it trys to divide things up into little parts and study the parts without grasping an understanding of the WHOLE. So, any knowledge gained in this way is only very partial at best.

Likewise if someone thinks that religion will help them solve deep questions of science, then I think they should probably check again also.

Religion will only confuse the issue. But the understanding of Spirituality fulfills the questions of science. Most of those “questions” are highly redundant and can be answered with ONE insight.

One then realizes that reductionistic/materialistic falsely so-called “science” has never made any progress without INSIGHT which is Spiritually groked. Of course, they will never admit that because they do not recognize the Universal Spirit.

That materialistic “science” is EXACTLY like man-made religion. Both are VOID of Spirituality. Most of the debates of “science” have been nothing but closed mental exercises stuck in a loop. But, when one adds the facts of mind, thought, consciousness and intention to the material/realist science, which has become the false god of Western Civilization, not only is knowledge gained but wisdom and understanding also. Knowledge is useless … a mental game … until …. it is experienced into wisdom and that requires the experiential insight of the Spirit. That requires a complete “letting go” of all mental machinations and parlor games and a dropping of ones own personal luggage. That “letting go” is NOT permanent, only to get ones attention that their mental processing grids are NOT who and what they are. After that, they can USE their mental processing equipment to describe and communicate their insights, instead of being manipulated and controlled by limited closed loop mind-sets. In other words, your cognitive mind becomes a TOOL rather than a CONTROLER. The Spirit is NEVER a controller because it ALWAYS offers the CHOICE of intention – from the tiniest quanta to the most massive star and everything in between.

One will never know if the Spirit exists or not … until …. One directely experiences it and gains the insight thereof. And that is strictly an individual matter. The Spirit is beyond “persuasion” and is missed simply because it is so fundamental to the Universe and ALL THAT IS. It is in plain sight yet hidden. It requires seeking with all ones heart, soul and mind in order to be found. Until then, one will remain only in their mental processing grids and continue to be confused.

Think about WHY you choose to become a minister in a “church” which calles itself …. “UNIVERSAL LIFE.” ? Could it be an insight that LIFE IS UNIVERSAL? Perhaps an insight still residing in your subconscious? If LIFE is universal, then isn’t it easy to see that that Universal Life is the very innermost intention of Creation?

namaste

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Also, Dr. Marcia McDowel, Dans partner, who studies sonobioluminesence and how various frequencies of sound effect physical matter -- one of the most promising and practical modern scientific pursuits.

I would be interested in reading more on that. Can you direct me towards anything online or in books?

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OK... this is my first post, so go easy on me. Here's my thoughts on this subject: Let's say a company comes out with a new product that uses a special battery. They have to interface with a battery manufacturer to make sure the battery they need will be available otherwise their product will be useless. The battery manufacturer needs a product into which the new special battery will go. Their battery is useless without a device that requires that particular battery. Unless there is some sort of coordination between the two companies, both of their products are useless.

Nature shows us many different adaptations which could not have developed independently. For example, a rattlesnake's tooth is hollow, and it inject's poison. The poison by itself doesn't provide the snake with much of an evolutionary advantage without a hollow tooth through which it can be injected. A hollow tooth doesn't give the snake an evolutionary advantage by itself, but the two things combined do. But how can a hollow tooth evolve? a tooth that is 25% hollow does no good because it can't inject poison. A tooth that is 95%, or 99% hollow does no good, either. It had to be 100% hollow, with the poison duct going through the center of the tooth in order to provide an evolutionary advantage to the snake. How can a strong poison and a hollow tooth evolve independently of one another? Perhaps God "nudged" evolution in the right direction. The same example can be used with bee stingers, scorpion stingers, and many other similar anatomical devices. What's a bee with poison going to do without a stinger? Rub it's rump on the victim and hope the victim has a scratch?

Having said that, I don't like the idea of ID being taught in schools. Religion should stay out of schools, and the government should stay out of religion.

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OK... this is my first post, so go easy on me. Here's my thoughts on this subject: Let's say a company comes out with a new product that uses a special battery. They have to interface with a battery manufacturer to make sure the battery they need will be available otherwise their product will be useless. The battery manufacturer needs a product into which the new special battery will go. Their battery is useless without a device that requires that particular battery. Unless there is some sort of coordination between the two companies, both of their products are useless.

Nature shows us many different adaptations which could not have developed independently. For example, a rattlesnake's tooth is hollow, and it inject's poison. The poison by itself doesn't provide the snake with much of an evolutionary advantage without a hollow tooth through which it can be injected. A hollow tooth doesn't give the snake an evolutionary advantage by itself, but the two things combined do. But how can a hollow tooth evolve? a tooth that is 25% hollow does no good because it can't inject poison. A tooth that is 95%, or 99% hollow does no good, either. It had to be 100% hollow, with the poison duct going through the center of the tooth in order to provide an evolutionary advantage to the snake. How can a strong poison and a hollow tooth evolve independently of one another? Perhaps God "nudged" evolution in the right direction. The same example can be used with bee stingers, scorpion stingers, and many other similar anatomical devices. What's a bee with poison going to do without a stinger? Rub it's rump on the victim and hope the victim has a scratch?

Having said that, I don't like the idea of ID being taught in schools. Religion should stay out of schools, and the government should stay out of religion.

Hello, Sam. Welcome to the forum! :)

Here this might help explain things: Evolving snake fangs

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Nestingwave-

Hey, sorry I haven't been up to date in the forums lately. I kinda got swamped this past week.

So let me just explain some things from my first post in this thread. The flawed assumption of the double slit experiment is that quantum particles can make decisions. The double slit experiment was the first experiment that showed the dal nature of any quantum particle. Basically two narrow slits are in a pice of paper or sufficiently thin material. A beam of particles (i.e. light) are shot on the slits. A screen is placed on the other side of the slits, and a scattered wave pattern appears on the screen. If you try and figure out which slit the light particles go through then a scattered particle pattern appears on the screen, and not a wave pattern. In effect, if you want to observe the particle nature of light (or all matter) you will see its particle nature, but if you want to observe its wave nature you will see its wave nature. You might think, well the particle chooses to be a wave or a particle depending on the observer, but this conclusion fails to take in the heisenberg uncertainty principle. So the assumption that quanta are choosing their path is an assumption made without understanding the heisenberg uncertainty principle or the wavefunction of matter.

Furthermore, Bell absolutely proved Einstein wrong. If you ask any physicist if Einstein was right about hidden variables in quantum mechanics they will most certainly tell you, no he was not. Here is a good article about it: source.

I don't think that Tesla, Bohm, Bearden, and Bordon are regarded as the founding fathers of a new foundation of quantum mechanics that is better than the work of Schrodinger, Dirac, Heisenberg, and Planck. When I took quantum mechanics we didn't study anything by Tesla, Bohm, Bearden, or Bordon.

You can interpret quantum mechanics as quanta making decisions on their own if you would like, but perhaps you should actually understand it first.

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Sam got me all excited, Verisoph popped my ballon then pmdirac made my head hurt.....I need to go watch cartoons now after all that reading.

Thanks for the links guys!

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Sam got me all excited, Verisoph popped my ballon then pmdirac made my head hurt.....I need to go watch cartoons now after all that reading.

I'm happy to be of service.

Cartoons can provide good relief for an overtaxed brain, just be careful that you don't fall for the junk science that they too often try to push, like in Dexter's Lab and Spider-Man (radioactive spiders won't give you super powers).

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I'm happy to be of service.

Cartoons can provide good relief for an overtaxed brain, just be careful that you don't fall for the junk science that they too often try to push, like in Dexter's Lab and Spider-Man (radioactive spiders won't give you super powers).

That got retconned. It's "genetically engineered spider bites" that currently produce superpowers. I kinda thought everybody knew that.

GM

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That got retconned. It's "genetically engineered spider bites" that currently produce superpowers. I kinda thought everybody knew that.

GM

Retconning is junk science, too. It's completely contrary to known laws of space, time, and consumer confidence.

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I'm happy to be of service.

Cartoons can provide good relief for an overtaxed brain, just be careful that you don't fall for the junk science that they too often try to push, like in Dexter's Lab and Spider-Man (radioactive spiders won't give you super powers).

Oh no I only go to the most credible cartoons for my science info....Jimmy Neutron.

I was wondering what if science has found any better methods than Carbon dating in recent years and how accurate any new methods might be.

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I would be interested in reading more on that. Can you direct me towards anything online or in books?

No. I will NOT hold your hand and do your homework for you. LOOK IT UP. I have given all the information you need to find out things FOR YOURSELF. If you are REALLY interested, you will find out. If not, so be it.

namaste.

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Nestingwave-

Hey, sorry I haven't been up to date in the forums lately. I kinda got swamped this past week.

No need to apologize. I too have been busy. Working in the garden. Ever watched closely how a bee interacts with a flower? Of course, according to the old dead "Standard Model" of falsely so-called "science" there IS NO INTELLIGENT DESIGN. It is all CHANCE. And you would teach that nonsense to your children? Well, someday they will observe for themselves. But, they will have a lot of heavy luggage to discard first. A few of us already went thrugh that process. Many still cling to the old dysfuctions.

So let me just explain some things from my first post in this thread. The flawed assumption of the double slit experiment is that quantum particles can make decisions. The double slit experiment was the first experiment that showed the dal nature of any quantum particle. Basically two narrow slits are in a pice of paper or sufficiently thin material. A beam of particles (i.e. light) are shot on the slits. A screen is placed on the other side of the slits, and a scattered wave pattern appears on the screen. If you try and figure out which slit the light particles go through then a scattered particle pattern appears on the screen, and not a wave pattern. In effect, if you want to observe the particle nature of light (or all matter) you will see its particle nature, but if you want to observe its wave nature you will see its wave nature. You might think, well the particle chooses to be a wave or a particle depending on the observer, but this conclusion fails to take in the heisenberg uncertainty principle. So the assumption that quanta are choosing their path is an assumption made without understanding the heisenberg uncertainty principle or the wavefunction of matter.

Did you take a look a the short video I posted concerning the double slit experiment? Yes, that single quanta is either a wave OR a particle -- DEPENDING UPON HOW THE OBSERVER SEES IT. So, what that experiment shows is the interconnectivity of the observer with the results of the experiment. It demonstrates how our view of "reality" depends upon OUR OWN CONSCIOUSNESS. It re-interjects consciousness into the scientific equation. A giant step forward. A factor ignored by the Cartesian Split since Descarte (et al) made a deal with the Roman Catholic Church.

Furthermore, Bell absolutely proved Einstein wrong. If you ask any physicist if Einstein was right about hidden variables in quantum mechanics they will most certainly tell you, no he was not. Here is a good article about it: source.

That's pretty "absolutist" of you. So, in your view, Bell proved that God is playing dice with the Universe? :lol: And further more that is an ABSOLUTE fact???? Very dogmatic, I'd say. Sounds exactly like some religionists I know. Of course these S0-called "scientists" are the "experts" many follow, so they must be right. They are the "pop stars."

I don't think that Tesla, Bohm, Bearden, and Bordon are regarded as the founding fathers of a new foundation of quantum mechanics that is better than the work of Schrodinger, Dirac, Heisenberg, and Planck. When I took quantum mechanics we didn't study anything by Tesla, Bohm, Bearden, or Bordon.

"Regarded" by whom? How much do you know about any of these men?

Very little apparently. You stopped with Dirac, Heisenberg and Plank. However, science has greatly moved on since then, although in the scientific dogma certain entrenched icons are still worshipped as absolute truth. Just another false "religion" in my view. Requiring a "belief system" built upon supposition, theory, presumption and the ever popular sport of Conclusion Pole Vaulting. The favorite game of "scientific" SUPERSTARS and AMERICAN IDOLS. Liars who mostly lie to themselves.

Start with Tesla and Bohm if you care to continue your education outside of the cage.

You are forgetting what I have been saying because, like the Indians who were unable to see the white man's HUGE ships on the horizon, because they had no experiences to relate to them, you are able to ignore what I have actually said in favor of your highly biased preconceived conceptual box.

The old "standard model" of science is now totally defunked because it left out the most important things -- mind, spirit and consciousness. Your education (mine too) was entirely materialist/realist which IS the old "Standard Model."

I suggest that you continue your education and break out of the jello mold.

The Universe is now viewed as IDEO/MATERIAL -- that is MIND -- MATTER. This insightful scientific discovery finally balances the long unbalanced equation that has helped bring such ignorant dysfunction to this world and nearly brought it to total extinction.

In the beginning was a primordial THOUGHT. A CREATIVE impulse containing INTELLIGENCE, INFORMATION and INTENTION. That THOUGHT materialzed via fractal mathematics into all the multifarious worlds of time and space.

Therefore, the Universe is a HUMUNGOUS HOLOGRAM where EVERY part of it contains the WHOLE and every part of it contains the INTENTION, INTELLIGENCE and INFORMTATION of the whole because every quanta exists in TOTAL energetic sharedistributability with every other quanta in the Universe. The WHOLE UNIVERSE is a HOLOGRAPHIC PROJECTION from the First Souce. A prime CREATIVE IMPULSE with a PURPOSE to create EVOLVING LIFE throughout the far-flung Creation on every frequency of time and space. Ours is only one of them.

You can interpret quantum mechanics as quanta making decisions on their own if you would like,

Brother, NOTHING in this ENTIRE UNIVERSE is "ON ITS OWN." I have explained what I mean by "INTENTION." What appears to be "random" has INTENTION and that INTENTION is to produce LIFE in its EVOLUTION.

The goal is to "KNOW THYSELF O MAN." That "SELF" is not your address and phone number. It is the ENTIRE CREATION and you and I are but a small and very limited expression of it -- a fractal of it -- but we are ATTACHED/INTERCONNECTED to and with it. Even QUANTUMLY ENTANGLED with it. That "limited expression" becomes less and less limited as we EVOLVE in CONSCIOUS AWARENESS and our co-creations become more attuned to the Universal Creation and its basic INTENTION.

We are, each and every one of us, FRACTALS of Creation. Created in the image and likeness of our ONE SOURCE from whence ALL-THAT-IS .... sprang into BEING.

Homo sapiens sapiens is entirely capable of realizing that and expressing it outwardly via CO- CREATIONS. He already does it but is not consciously aware of it .... YET. When he becomes consciously aware of it, he will become far more careful about what he creates and allign his creations with the overall intention of the Great Creation, instead of his own private and highly restricted selfish interests.

No, we are NOT the pinnacle of evolution -- only kindergartners still squabbling among ourselves in ignorance. Creating all sorts of wars and dysfunctions in our IGNORANCE.

Only sentient beings in their evolutionary ignorance rebel against the Universal Intention. It is a normal stage of growth because the angst it produces causes us to think outside the box we have created. Through the pain, suffering and dysfunction brought on by that ignorance, a metamorphosis takes place -- like a catapiller into a butterfly. This is TRANSFORMATION -- a continual process of evolutionary Creation.

Carefully observing Nature is what true "science" is all about.

So, what is all this change, growth, transformation aiming toward? What is the purpose and intention of all this? The old reductionist materialist model, under which you and I were educated, says, "NO INTENTION" just "CHANCE." Life is a lucky "accident." In my view and the view of the aforementioned scientists -- BS.

BUT ... such barnyard substances DO have a purpose -- TO FERTILIZE IN ORDER FOR LIFE TO GROW. In this process of fertilization, the BS disentegrates into elements USEFUL to produce EVOLUTIONARY LIFE. And so will the old materialst/realist UNscientific "Standard Model."

So, what IS the purpose and intention of Creation? Realization of WHO and WHAT we are -- and that brings not only "knowlege" but WISDOM about the Universe and how Mother Nature operates in all Creation ... and WHY.

It is the NEXT STEP in our evolution. A tiny FIRST step in overcoming and becoming rather than annhilating ourselves.

The new planatary civilization that will arise from the dust and ashes of the old one, will engage in a COMPLETELY NEW PARADIGM. One that will take us to the STARS and beyond to explore the multifarious frequencies of time and space.

How do I know this?

Because other intelligenent being in this Universe, some of them our genetic relatives, ALREADY DO THIS as a normal part of their lives.

Oh, that's right, your defunct old "Standard Model" will not allow for this. Sorry. Watch Biophysicist Dan Burish's public DEBRIEFING. He recently presented his LOTUS PROJECT to CAL TECH and literally blew the minds of his collegues -- those able to think outside the hampster wheel cage and were genuine "scientists" and would admit that the old ways of looking at things may not be accurate when proven otherwise.

Our evolution of CONSCIOUSNESS will now be done CONSCIOUSLY not instinctually, although the basic evolutionary drive of the Universe is always at work from the tiniest quanta to the largest STAR.

And when we stuggle against the basic evolutionary intention, we become depressed and suffer. Much like our present world civilization. Our choices have CONSEQUENCES and if we PAY ATTENTION to those consequences -- we actually LEARN something and .... grow. That is the Universal Law of Cause and Effect.

You and I as human beings are MADE UP of those subquanta and quanta. We are suibquanta and quanta ORGANIZED. We are LIGHT slowed down. Therefore, we have the innate ability to CHOOSE the intention of Creation just as the tiniest quanta also willingly chooses the intention of Creation originally without questioning it.

We have the ability to question it and therefore can choose to GO AGAINST the intention of Creation. And we will do so UNTIL we gain INSIGHT as to what Creation IS. WHO and WHAT WE ARE -- and also HOW and WHY it CREATES. And ... then we will see OURSELVES as the CREATIVE beings WE ARE and alwasy have been.

The quanta still have this choice but it is a NO BRAINER for them. It is the subquantum level of the Universal MIND.

How can I say they have a "choice?"

It is logical due to the fact that WE, being composed of those sub quanta and quanta, have a CHOICE whether or NOT to CHOOSE the basic intention of Creation. This demonstrates a single degree of FREEDOM from the very onset of Creation since interconnectivity has been found to be a basic principle of the Universe. Such freedom is innate in Creation.

Unlike our International Bankers, Creation is NOT a selfish tyrannical controller but a wise Father and Mother. Creation is NOT a puppet master. Nor does Creation roll dice. It proceeds forth with vast intelligence and INTENTION and ALL the INFORMATION to carry OUT that INTENTION. When it organizes to the point of becoming a homo sapiens sapiens, ignorance producing illogic and unreasonableness becomes the possibility of choosing something OTHER than the Universal Intention.

All of this is not just my idea and opinion but my synthsis of the insight of many many others, including today's top thinkers and scientists who remain unrecognized by the status quo because of the present controlling DEAD DOGMA that relys upon the ideas of men long DEAD as somehow having ABSOLUTE understanding not to be questioned. This is ridiculous. Even they, if they were alive today, would be far in advance of where they were then.

That's easy to understand, isn't it?

But the tendancy in our culture of worshiping at the shrine of entrenched ICONS still prevails, although its complete dissentegration is very near and, in fact, already upon us.

FRACTAL GEOMETRY (Benoit Mandebrot) is mathematically how Creation constructs by focusing the Universal Vectored Intention and materializing itself into various oscillating energetic frequencies, which are SLOWED DOWN from the original mega-energetic creative impulse. You see, science now proves that there is a DOWNWARD CAUSALITY as well as an UPWARD CAUSALITY. It is a two way street. Both YIN and YANG. Not just "YANG." Not just UPWARD CAUSALITY but DOWNWARD CAUSALITY ALSO. Your old "standard model" is completely unbalance and therefore completely dogmatic, as you, being a spokeman for it, just proved. That old paradigm relys upon insisted entrenchments based upon the FEAR of being superceeded. The old paradigm does hold "the law of the jungle" as a doctrine and therefore FEARS any competition. They view the Universe as "Tooth and Claw City" -= a constant struggle to get to the top of the heap while staying alive. "Survival of the Fittest" means ruthless competition to some. They are not even close to being alligned with the Universal Intention of the Great Creation.

But, this false doctrine and dogma already HAS been superceeded and the entrenched ones are vehemently clutching onto the past because they FEAR their demise, not being able to shake off their self-made cacoon inside their hampster wheel cage.

Creation manifests in an infinite number of frequencies, one of which is our 4D spacetime, which is LIGHT greatly slowed down.

And not just LIGHT visible to our senses and instruments. Your materialistic reductionistic "science" (falsely so-called) only admits UPWARD causality and ignores DOWNWARD causality from the Prime Causal One Source of All Creation. There is a PRIME CREATIVE IMPLUSE and it exists and manifests in EVERY subquanta and quanta in the entire Universe.

First of all, the old "standard model" does not admit that any such One Source even exists, although it is even proven mathematically by FRACTAL MATHEMATICS. The old "standard model" does not see the Universe as completely interconnected. ignores thought, consciousness and Spirit -- and views those most important items as an "artifact" of physical matter, which they assume to be primal. A "God" particle which does not even exist, since ALL particles have the Great Creation as their source. Even Stephen Hawkings agrees that the pursuit for the Higgs Boson is entrely VAIN. Our society is VERY used to thowing trillions away. Yet the poor go hungry.

You can't chop up the Universe and study a little part of it and gain knowledge. You must consider the ONENESS of the WHOLE. You must take INTERCONNECTIVITY into account. You MUST think holonomically -- not read it like a Popular Mechanics, a National Enquirer or a Wall Street Journal.

The HIGGS BOSON (God particle) is only a false theory to support the long held scientific dogma. A presumption based upon a false BELIEF SYSTEM that MATTER IS PRIMARY.

What if the old paradigm was dead wrong? It would put an END to GRANTS to support it. Some would consider it to be an INSULT to the ICONS they worship -- just as if Jesus was proven to have never existed or the resurrection proven to have never happened.

Back to FRACTAL GEOMETRY. When we proceed fractally from the DOWNWARD chain of causality originating at the Prime Causal Super Domain -- a quanta is a fractal of a subquanta -- an atom is a fractal of a quanta -- a molecule is the fractal of an atom -- a living CELL is the fractal of a molecule - the biological "you" is a fractal of a living cell -- and a perfectly functioning society is a fractal of a perfectly functioning human being. A dysfunctional society is a fractal of an ignorant human being lacking Self- awareness.

ALL-THAT-IS -- is totally interconnected at our ONE SOURCE as energy, intelligence, information and intention, now scientifically understood by the aforementioned scientists, from various perspectives. Each contributing their personal creative insights backed up by repeatable EXPERIMENTS. Many of the so-called 'scientists" entrenched in the old paradigm evern REFUSE to do those experiements just as the Catholic Cardinals REFUSED to even LOOK through Galileo's telescope. They FEAR loosing their reputations based upon their false belief system which they ASSUME to be absolute. The only ABSOLUTE that I know about is the First Source of All That Is and since that Prime Mover is all anyone CAN know, one must say, "well there MAY be something beyond that indeed but from our point of view it is indeed "absolute." Anything that might be beyond that is the UNKNOWABLE from our present perspective. EIN SOPH as the ancients said. No idea, theory, opinion, proof, doctrine or dogma can EVER be called "absolute" fact.

And that surely includes what I am saying right here. I say it however, because it has been far better proven to me than the old dead "scientific" paradigm and I have learned to go by the principle, "judge the tree by the fruit it bears." I consider this adage to be WISE and personally VERY helpful in making proper discernments. My life experience has proven that to me. That is experiential knowledge, not doctrine or dogma of any kind.

Could I be 100% WRONG? Yes indeed. But, IMHO, if so it will not be because of the old paradigm but because there was something else of which I was not aware and almost none of us was aware.

If your materialistic reductionistic paradigm is correct, then let's get it on and totally destroy ourselves because that, in my view, is exactly where it leads. But, as for now, SUICIDE does NOT seem to be the guiding principal of the Universe at all.

Now, why do you think it was that Einsteins theory of relativity and Bohrs quantum mechanics and all the scientists working on those discoveries came together to make a NUCLEAR BOMB to destroy other human beings? Some of them didn't like that AT ALL and SAID SO. Others were fully alligned with that grave error. It shows that all that knowledge gathered together was MISSING SOMETHING, eh? Einstein knew it. Unlike many of his colleages, he had a genuine HUMAN HEART. The turning of all that knowledge into weapons of mass destruction broke the hearts of some. Oppenheimer finally died in despair. Some committed suicide after realizing what they had done.

This action was nothing but a RAPE of Mother Earth and the Great Creation. IT SMASHED A PRIMARY STRUCTURE of the GREAT CREATION with the intention of vaporizing other human beings. BRUTISH MINDLESS FORCE! It was the ultimate ARROGANCE of those who have NO IDEA WHO and WHAT THEY ARE. That was the "Law of the Jungle" fully MANIFESTED, eh? And what did it bring? The TOTALLY disfunctional and rapidly dying civilization you see right now all around you.

Yes, my friend, Cause and Effect is indeed a Universal Law.

but perhaps you should actually understand it first.

But UNDERSTANDSING is an ONGOING process -- and stopping along the way is to become petrified and cease evolving. And that is EXACTLY what happened with the old (now defunct) yet highly ENTRENCHED "Standard Model" of science that has held the thinking of the world in dogmatic bondage for so many centuries and led us very near to self-destruction. Suicide.

Our world's "technology" got ahead of our human heart because that old paradigm didn't SEE the connection. Human hearts became petrified and thus, our technology became our Frankenstein's MONSTER. In IGNORANCE our world thinking rebelled against Mother Nature and all the Laws and Directives of the Great Creation. We poisoned the earth, air, fire and water and thus OURSELVES. SUICIDAL SELF DESTRUCTION.

Not Creation's INTENTION for BEING.

Now, the chickens are coming home to roost.

So, the time has now come to move on. The entire old paradigm is completely UNSUSTAINABLE. Just look around you.

A sour dying tree does not produce sweet fruit.

Visionaries are always ridiculed by the entrenched status quo -- yet -- they foresee the next step in human evolution. And sometimes that next step is a giant leap. We are now at the beginning of such a "punctuated equilibrium," right at this very moment.

namaste

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