Pete Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) In my opinion, "letting go" and "forgiveness" have over-lap; but they are not the same.I agree. It is similar but more complex as Cuchulain points out.. There are things I have let go but know that they could crop up again and make it all come back. An example of this is in the one I gave. The lady concerned may have forced me to let it go but in the fact that I do not believe she has changed and could likely do this again (flooding and attempted arson) I have not fully forgiven. Edited January 27, 2015 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 If I put my hand in a burlap bag filled with rattlesnakes and was bitten, I can forgive the snake because that was the snakes nature. That does not mean I will put my hand in the bag again. I will not forget what happened the first time I put my hand in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan56 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 If I put my hand in a burlap bag filled with rattlesnakes and was bitten, I can forgive the snake because that was the snakes nature. That does not mean I will put my hand in the bag again. I will not forget what happened the first time I put my hand in.What if a woman bit you for no reason? Not because it was her nature, but just because she was mad. She's not sorry about it either, in fact, given the opportunity, she'd bite you again. Would you forgive her?I'm guessing most of our members are into that type of thing, so no forgiveness would be necessary.. My God requires repentance, there's no forgiveness without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 What if a woman bit you for no reason? Not because it was her nature, but just because she was mad. She's not sorry about it either, in fact, given the opportunity, she'd bite you again. Would you forgive her?I'm guessing most of our members are into that type of thing, so no forgiveness would be necessary.. My God requires repentance, there's no forgiveness without it.I could easily forgive the woman, knowing that it is "our nature" to do the things we do including getting mad for whatever reasons. That said, I'm going to limit my proximity to the woman and possibly invite the law to take a hand in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan56 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I could easily forgive the woman, knowing that it is "our nature" to do the things we do including getting mad for whatever reasons. That said, I'm going to limit my proximity to the woman and possibly invite the law to take a hand in it.Masochism is running rampid, but I'd at least expect an apology prior to forgiving her... Unless she was a real looker, then I'd probably let it go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Masochism is running rampid, but I'd at least expect an apology prior to forgiving her... Unless she was a real looker, then I'd probably let it go I never ask for apologies. If it does not come forth freely and without prompting, it is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emalpaiz Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I believe that God forgives everything even if we ask or not. I believe that I am responsible for my acts even if God forgives me or not. I am clear in one thing, no matter where I live in this universe, I live in God's Kingdom.Hermano Luis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songster Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) I'm a firm believer in the Law of Karma, and Karma requires a reckoning.... Like for like, kind for kind... and only the Law of Forgiveness can forestall the Law of Karma. I believe that a plea for forgiveness from an individual injured by an action is requisite for the soul's continued progress on it's path to reunion with God. Whether an individual needs forgiving from God or not is between that individual and God... I also believe that it's an awareness of God that makes Man aware of his own faults. (It's been my experience to observe the odd coincidence that, all too often, those that deny His existence, tend to think they have no faults.) Edited February 2, 2015 by Songster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 .I also believe that it's an awareness of God that makes Man aware of his own faults. (It's been my experience to observe the odd coincidence that, all too often, those that deny His existence, tend to think they have no faults.)Ever tried to count all those who have been killed in the name of God by those who felt it was righteous to do so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songster Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) I don't hold God liable for the acts of Man.As for the body count... Have you counted how many people have been killed for non-religious reasons? For greed? For lust? Edited February 2, 2015 by Songster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 My point was in response to your view of only God believing people recognising they have faults. In this I disagree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I'm a firm believer in the Law of Karma, and Karma requires a reckoning.... Like for like, kind for kind... and only the Law of Forgiveness can forestall the Law of Karma. I believe that a plea for forgiveness from an individual injured by an action is requisite for the soul's continued progress on it's path to reunion with God. Whether an individual needs forgiving from God or not is between that individual and God...I also believe that it's an awareness of God that makes Man aware of his own faults. (It's been my experience to observe the odd coincidence that, all too often, those that deny His existence, tend to think they have no faults.)That is not my experience or my observation. The godless are well aware of their short comings. They simply don't go to God -- or Santa -- or the Easter Bunny -- for forgiveness.I don't hold God liable for the acts of Man.As for the body count... Have you counted how many people have been killed for non-religious reasons? For greed? For lust?This is like saying that the deaths caused by war are fewer than the deaths caused by disease. It's nothing but a distraction and a change of subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuchulain Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 if god is all powerful and all knowing, and programmed man...then I hold him responsible for man's acts. Of course, I don't believe in that god, so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songster Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 .... I don't believe in that god, so....Then in whom or what do you hold your soul accountable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songster Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 That is not my experience or my observation. The godless are well aware of their short comings. They simply don't go to God -- or Santa -- or the Easter Bunny -- for forgiveness.I did say "MY" experience, right? As for your assertion that God is an illusion.... I'll leave you to your delusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuchulain Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I do not hold my soul accountable to anyone, Songster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Buddha (not a God), told us that we can be responsible to no one but ourselves. Of course, then we are responsible to God because I am God, you are God and we, collectively are God including Buddha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Buddha (not a God), told us that we can be responsible to no one but ourselves. Of course, then we are responsible to God because I am God, you are God and we, collectively are God including Buddha. Then who -- or what -- does the forgiving? And what difference does it make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Then who -- or what -- does the forgiving? And what difference does it make?What? You need forgiving now? I don't see as I need to be forgiven. What difference does what make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 What? You need forgiving now? I don't see as I need to be forgiven. What difference does what make?No.God's forgiveness. Never mind. God would first have to exist. Then it would have to matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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