Beheaded For Witchcraft And Sorcery

[mererdog]

True, its not necessarily the message or the messenger, but how those who receive the message respond and interpret it that determines whether its good or bad .

And yet how people interpret and respond is a function of how the message is communicated. If you want to be understood, you have to speak the right language, use the right idiom, avoid the wrong slang, and punctuate effectively' You know what I mean? If you are misunderstood, it means you failed to communicate effectively, and it should prompt you to learn to do better, not to find fault with the other guy's abiliy to understand- assuming, of course, that you want to be understood.

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

So? Because people abused the Bible does that make it untrue?

Since you asked, no. That is not what makes the Blble untrue.

[scottedward]

Since you asked, no. That is not what makes the Blble untrue.

I've suspected on occasion that the Bible might not have been written to inspire its readers, but to frighten them.

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

I've suspected on occasion that the Bible might not have been written to inspire its readers, but to frighten them.

Of course. The Scripture is loaded with fear based content. It comes with having a priest class.

[scottedward]

Of course. The Scripture is loaded with fear based content. It comes with having a priest class.

Forgive me, but a 'priest class'?

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

Forgive me, but a 'priest class'?

Yes. The Levitican priesthood -- not to be confused with the rabbinate -- is hereditary. It is passed down through the father; unlike Jewishness which comes down through the mother. Read about it in any Bible. "Leviticus."

[scottedward]

Yes. The Levitican priesthood -- not to be confused with the rabbinate -- is hereditary. It is passed down through the father; unlike Jewishness which comes down through the mother. Read about it in any Bible. "Leviticus."

Thank you, Johnathan.

[Pete]

True, its not necessarily the message or the messenger, but how those who receive the message respond and interpret it that determines whether its good or bad . Santa is coming, so do you load a shotgun and prepare to meet the uninvited intruder when he barges into your home? Or do you graciously anticipate a man bearing gifts? And if you don't believe in Santa, what difference does it make? The message "Santa is coming" is not the problem, but those determining whether the message is bad or good.

Okay then tell how this should be seen as good. Tell how I am misunderstanding it.

Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'".

Matt 10:34: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

People just pick pick out what they want to hear when they talk of the bible.

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

Thank you, Johnathan.

It is meaningless, but I am a Levi; a member of the subordinate priesthood. The full priests are the Cohen's (Cohanim). It's all a left over from The Temple.

Edited December 5, 2015 by Jonathan H. B. Lobl

[Dan56]

Okay then tell how this should be seen as good. Tell how I am misunderstanding it.

Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'".

Matt 10:34: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

People just pick pick out what they want to hear when they talk of the bible.

The Luke example was a parable which I believe indirectly referred to the Jews who rejected what Christ had to say. Needless to say, those who discounted Christ as Lord would perish. And the Matthew quote isn't a provocation towards war or violence, but just a statement that the Truth is divisive and would put people at odd's, even between family members.

Assuming that God is good, God is just, and God is righteous, then anyone disagreeing with God would have to be bad, unjust, and unrighteous. While I don't pretend or presume to understand all of God's judgements, I assume and trust that in the big picture, all his decisions are right.

Edited December 7, 2015 by Dan56

[Pete]

Pete, on 05 Dec 2015 - 5:24 PM, said:

Okay then tell how this should be seen as good. Tell how I am misunderstanding it.

Luke 19:27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'".

Matt 10:34: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

People just pick pick out what they want to hear when they talk of the bible.

The Luke example was a parable which I believe indirectly referred to the Jews who rejected what Christ had to say. Needless to say, those who discounted Christ as Lord would perish. And the Matthew quote isn't a provocation towards war or violence, but just a statement that the Truth is divisive and would put people at odd's, even between family members.

Assuming that God is good, God is just, and God is righteous, then anyone disagreeing with God would have to be bad, unjust, and unrighteous. While I don't pretend or presume to understand all of God's judgements, I assume and trust that in the big picture, all his decisions are right.

The verse asks for followers to kill those who do not want to follow. The verse is at the end of a parable and not part of the parable.

Assum, Assum, Assum if you like but I do not see the evidence.

[cuchulain]

again, my force field is invincible...no, I have a ray gun that beats invincible force fields...and in the end, nothing more substantive than that is said.

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

The Luke example was a parable which I believe indirectly referred to the Jews who rejected what Christ had to say. Needless to say, those who discounted Christ as Lord would perish. And the Matthew quote isn't a provocation towards war or violence, but just a statement that the Truth is divisive and would put people at odd's, even between family members.

Assuming that God is good, God is just, and God is righteous, then anyone disagreeing with God would have to be bad, unjust, and unrighteous. While I don't pretend or presume to understand all of God's judgements, I assume and trust that in the big picture, all his decisions are right.

On what basis do you make these assumptions? Do you have any reasons not based on Scripture?

[Dan56]

On what basis do you make these assumptions? Do you have any reasons not based on Scripture?

No.

[scottedward]

No.

Johnathon--

Technially, and for most of us, scripture is all that we have. Miracles are few and far between, and what else is left for us to turn to?

Edited December 8, 2015 by scottedward

[mererdog]

Johnathon--

Technially, and for most of us, scripture is all that we have. Miracles are few and far between, and what else is left for us to turn to?

The Holy Spirit?

[scottedward]

My poiint still stands.

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

Johnathon--

Technially, and for most of us, scripture is all that we have. Miracles are few and far between, and what else is left for us to turn to?

I'll take that as an actual question. We must all find the answers that we can live with. Our own answers. In the end; all anyone can do is listen to the music of their soul -- then dance to it.

IMO

My poiint still stands.

By all means. Your answers are not my answers. You're not wrong. You're not mistaken. You're different. I'm fine with that.

[Profit Tom Wycihowski]

Reading the news, I am reminded today of the quote from Pastor Niemoller:

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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

In regard to the first documented (and documented may be a key word in the news) of two women being beheaded accused of "witchcraft and sorcery" by the jihadists' in eastern Syria.

Link to the news HERE:

http://news.yahoo.com/first-beheads-two-women-syria-monitor-073538672.html

Many people in the states have pressed the news of the Christian murders aside, because they are "way over there" and also from their annoyance with "Christians" here in the US.

I wonder if the news that they are expanding, killing women, and "other practices" (alleged, since VERY often in the world today we still see a lot of fear, assumption, and blame tossed with the term witch, which does differ from the practice of - and executiuons to "solve the threat") if it will change at all how people view the situation.

I believe that is wrong. If a "witch" is invested heavily in stocks and bonds, and if she is making-THEN I feel the Great God Mammon is blessing the "witch". Mammon blesses people with money, which from Mammonism's point of view, is the only thing that matters. We do not hold people responsible for what Mammon blesses them with, we hold them responsible if they are not making money. That shows the Great God Mammon is not blessing them, and they should find out where they are sinning, to make the Great God Mammon not bless them.

[scottedward]

I'll take that as an actual question. We must all find the answers that we can live with. Our own answers. In the end; all anyone can do is listen to the music of their soul -- then dance to it.

IMO

By all means. Your answers are not my answers. You're not wrong. You're not mistaken. You're different. I'm fine with that.

I've got to be honest with you.

I've no idea what you're talking about, because 'my point still stands' wasn't even meant for you. i appreciate that you're big enough to exhibit that you can take the high route, but I'm not the target you should use as an example.

All I was doing at the beginning was trying to take some heat away from Dan56. The man is aa target too often within this forum, or at least it seems like that.