Looks This Is How The Rich Do It.

[Hyper Real]

While many dear ULC members can't wait to cry foul when a person at the bottom of society takes a double dip on some charities making a couple of hundred dollars to make ends meet let's see how the rich deal with it.

They do not want to break the law, and even while the judges frequent their country clubs the judges still cannot be too biased in favor of their polo buddies.

So what do you do?

Simple: You construct things in such a way it is lawful.

After all, isn't the spiel for them to rig the system within the limits of the law, who cares about morality, it is lawful end of story!

Who cares about right and wrong, these things are for dreamers, we are talking about higher things like creativity and entrepreneurial spirit here! The big wrong is welfare mothers getting an extra few hundred dollars unlawfully not those who rig the system within the law and collect millions, no they are the entrepreneurial and smart, Michael Milken like, role models.

Introducing DUI driving 'polo' billionaire.John Goodman.

Looks like is he going to lose some pennies from his over 1 billion net worth.

What a heartbreak and taxes are already so high for him!

Is it greed?

No, it is not greed, really he needs all that money, times are tough you know!

Yes, welfare needs to be cut because we see welfare mothers with cell phones, enough said!

So what do you do, well, you adopt a child!

Well aint that a nice thing, looks like the man has a good heart after all!

Well really?

The adopted girl is not particularly a girl anymore, more like a girlfriend.

Her age: only 42 and she is his girlfriend.

http://www.foxnews.c...s-his-daughter/

Edited February 1, 2012 by hyperreal

[Dorian Gray]

Ok..the guy is a rich dirtbag...

[mark 45]

so other than being smarter than the rest of us in using the law to his advantage(i am not addressing the morality of it),your point is what?

his philosophy is different from most of us i would imagine.

[To`na Wanagi]

There are good figs and bad figs....but they are all figs. The parable of the fig tree in the story told by Jeremiah, chapter 24.

[Qryos]

~ Philosophy... OK.

{ Thank you To'na, the figs do bring some philosophy in... Well, & some Freud too }

Hyper, how is a billionnaire adopting a girlfriend a philosophical discussion?

I understand the discrepency in social strata aspect & how that is distressing, but it's a capitalist country & this shtuff happens often.

She's guaranteed his estate as a legally recognised heir & since she's of age & not blood-related they can monkey-about as they wish.

Seriously, do you think this is the worse the massively rich do? Hon, getting upset about such is just gonna give ya the pip & not change a thing...

[mererdog]

If I were to post a story about a black man doing something wrong, and title it "Looks This Is How The Blacks Do It" you would figure me for a prejudiced ass, wouldn't you?

[Dorian Gray]

If I were to post a story about a black man doing something wrong, and title it "Looks This Is How The Blacks Do It" you would figure me for a prejudiced ass, wouldn't you?

Likely they would... great point doggie

[To`na Wanagi]

A fig is a fig, good or bad.

The guy will probably be in for a big surprise when he gets out of jail and finds his girlfriend/daughter somewhere on a beach in Cancun with his money hidden away in a secret Swiss bank account. Then he will receive the fruits of his labor.

Just thinking; if he legally adopts her as his daughter and later wants to marry her.....see the conundrum? Any ULC ministers want to marry a father to his daughter? Yeah, this plan of his just might backfire....one can hope....

[Dorian Gray]

A fig is a fig, good or bad.

The guy will probably be in for a big surprise when he gets out of jail and finds his girlfriend/daughter somewhere on a beach in Cancun with his money hidden away in a secret Swiss bank account. Then he will receive the fruits of his labor.

Just thinking; if he legally adopts her as his daughter and later wants to marry her.....see the conundrum? Any ULC ministers want to marry a father to his daughter? Yeah, this plan of his just might backfire....one can hope....

It appears in FL that he can even if she is adopted or even a step-daughter

741.21 Incestuous marriages prohibited.—A man may not marry any woman to whom he is related by lineal consanguinity, nor his sister, nor his aunt, nor his niece. A woman may not marry any man to whom she is related by lineal consanguinity, nor her brother, nor her uncle, nor her nephew.

History.—RS 2602; GS 3525; RGS 5415; CGL 7558.

[Hyper Real]

Convicted to 16 years in prison, but hey he is (or perhaps now was) a billionaire.

So we let him for the time being stay in his 11,000-square-foot home.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/crime-law/polo-mogul-john-goodman-can-roam-sun-hour-day-can-/nPNSz/

You think that would work for a poor black guy from South Central LA if he was convicted for 16 years and appealed?

But the rich do not always get away:

Billionaire R. Allen Stanford, locked away for 110 years.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14/stanford-gets-110-years-for-role-in-7b-ponzi-scheme/?test=latestnews

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

A fig is a fig, good or bad.

The guy will probably be in for a big surprise when he gets out of jail and finds his girlfriend/daughter somewhere on a beach in Cancun with his money hidden away in a secret Swiss bank account. Then he will receive the fruits of his labor.

Just thinking; if he legally adopts her as his daughter and later wants to marry her.....see the conundrum? Any ULC ministers want to marry a father to his daughter? Yeah, this plan of his just might backfire....one can hope....

Woody Allen married his step-daughter. It happens.

[Youch]

While many dear ULC members can't wait to cry foul when a person at the bottom of society takes a double dip on some charities making a couple of hundred dollars to make ends meet let's see how the rich deal with it.

They do not want to break the law, and even while the judges frequent their country clubs the judges still cannot be too biased in favor of their polo buddies.

So what do you do?

Simple: You construct things in such a way it is lawful.

After all, isn't the spiel for them to rig the system within the limits of the law, who cares about morality, it is lawful end of story!

Who cares about right and wrong, these things are for dreamers, we are talking about higher things like creativity and entrepreneurial spirit here! The big wrong is welfare mothers getting an extra few hundred dollars unlawfully not those who rig the system within the law and collect millions, no they are the entrepreneurial and smart, Michael Milken like, role models.

Introducing DUI driving 'polo' billionaire.John Goodman.

Looks like is he going to lose some pennies from his over 1 billion net worth.

What a heartbreak and taxes are already so high for him!

Is it greed?

No, it is not greed, really he needs all that money, times are tough you know!

Yes, welfare needs to be cut because we see welfare mothers with cell phones, enough said!

So what do you do, well, you adopt a child!

Well aint that a nice thing, looks like the man has a good heart after all!

Well really?

The adopted girl is not particularly a girl anymore, more like a girlfriend.

Her age: only 42 and she is his girlfriend.

http://www.foxnews.c...s-his-daughter/

Envy, jealousy and class warfare......

[Tsukino_Rei]

~ Philosophy... OK.

{ Thank you To'na, the figs do bring some philosophy in... Well, & some Freud too }

Hyper, how is a billionnaire adopting a girlfriend a philosophical discussion?

I understand the discrepency in social strata aspect & how that is distressing, but it's a capitalist country & this shtuff happens often.

She's guaranteed his estate as a legally recognised heir & since she's of age & not blood-related they can monkey-about as they wish.

Seriously, do you think this is the worse the massively rich do? Hon, getting upset about such is just gonna give ya the pip & not change a thing...

Does that really happen often?

Envy, jealousy and class warfare......

Isn't 'class warfare' just a catchy shorthand for people who want to end discussions about inequality and legal jiggery pokery by claiming that even suggesting that the poor are being treated comparatively unfairly is an aggressive act bordering on hate crime?

When poor people look for ways to reduce their taxes and effectively increase their income from the government it gets called benefit fraud and leaching off the system. When rich people do it the government loses even more money, but that's just good business. I see nothing wrong with challenging the perceptions of society on matters such as this. If challenging predominant societal philosophies regarding the rich and the poor is class warfare, then so be it.

Edited September 14, 2012 by Tsukino_Rei

[Brother Kaman]

If one were to say that there are rich people in our country doing this or that, I could understand the argument. Just saying "The Rich" do this or that is B.S. It is the same as saying derogatory statements blanketing the poor or any other class in society. We are individuals who, for whatever reasons (good or bad), make individual decisions. If you wish to argue individual rich persons doing whatever, feel free but it is crap to lump all people of any category together in a statement regarding behavior and that will lead to class warfare.

Edited September 14, 2012 by Brother Kaman

[panpareil]

While many dear ULC members can't wait to cry foul when a person at the bottom of society takes a double dip on some charities making a couple of hundred dollars to make ends meet let's see how the rich deal with it.

They do not want to break the law, and even while the judges frequent their country clubs the judges still cannot be too biased in favor of their polo buddies.

So what do you do?

Simple: You construct things in such a way it is lawful.

After all, isn't the spiel for them to rig the system within the limits of the law, who cares about morality, it is lawful end of story!

Who cares about right and wrong, these things are for dreamers, we are talking about higher things like creativity and entrepreneurial spirit here! The big wrong is welfare mothers getting an extra few hundred dollars unlawfully not those who rig the system within the law and collect millions, no they are the entrepreneurial and smart, Michael Milken like, role models.

Introducing DUI driving 'polo' billionaire.John Goodman.

Looks like is he going to lose some pennies from his over 1 billion net worth.

What a heartbreak and taxes are already so high for him!

Is it greed?

No, it is not greed, really he needs all that money, times are tough you know!

Yes, welfare needs to be cut because we see welfare mothers with cell phones, enough said!

So what do you do, well, you adopt a child!

Well aint that a nice thing, looks like the man has a good heart after all!

Well really?

The adopted girl is not particularly a girl anymore, more like a girlfriend.

Her age: only 42 and she is his girlfriend.

http://www.foxnews.c...s-his-daughter/

So you are equating protecting ones property to theft and greed. I personally have destroyed my property rather than let someone take it.

And need has nothing to do with anything except the decision of who to give one's property to if one chooses to do so. There is no right in need, while there is a right in ownership of property. Try proving that need trumps ownership, in general. The only argument is see here is more money equals more wrong. I see no general proof of that either. All that is convincingly conveyed here is a deep sense of envy.

[panpareil]

If one were to say that there are rich people in our country doing this or that, I could understand the argument. Just saying "The Rich" do this or that is B.S. It is the same as saying derogatory statements blanketing the poor or any other class in society. We are individuals who, for whatever reasons (good or bad), make individual decisions. If you wish to argue individual rich persons doing whatever, feel free but it is crap to lump all people of any category together in a statement regarding behavior and that will lead to class warfare.

I will say again, the use of the phrase "The Rich" is very reminiscent of the phrase "The Jews". It is being used in the same pejorative fashion and for the same reasons as it was used in the early last century.

[Tsukino_Rei]

Panpariel, Brother Kamen, you guys are both agreeing that the very terms 'the rich', and 'the poor' are divisive and falsely imply that all people within these categories are the same, which in turn agrees with my statement that societal philosophies regarding 'the rich' and 'the poor' are to be questioned.

I do think that the comparison to 'the Jews' is inappropriate, and again implies that questioning inequalities in the way our society applies the law within the class divide is in any way comparative to historic acts of ethnic cleansing and 'racial purification'.

Edited September 14, 2012 by Tsukino_Rei

[panpareil]

Panpariel, Brother Kamen, you guys are both agreeing that the very terms 'the rich', and 'the poor' are divisive and falsely imply that all people within these categories are the same, which in turn agrees with my statement that societal philosophies regarding 'the rich' and 'the poor' are to be questioned.

I do think that the comparison to 'the Jews' is inappropriate, and again implies that questioning inequalities in the way our society applies the law within the class divide is in any way comparative to historic acts of ethnic cleansing and 'racial purification'.

In the last century the two phrases were used interchangeably, and they are still related for most anti-rich conspiracy types who see the world run by rich Jewish bankers. Even if you remove the anti-Semitic component, the rest of the viciousness still remains and is bad enough on its own. And targeting a faceless evil is even more dangerous for the innocent, as was evidenced by Joseph McCarthy and the anti-red scare. Then anyone can be attacked. What is evident in these attacks is the divide and eliminate strategy that we have seen over and over. That is embodied in the targeting small segments of society, the parts the majority do not care about, and moving on from one group to another until all are conquered and enslaved. Such is the tactic of the Statists. Whether Fascist, Communist, Nazi, Socialist, Crony Capitalist or Theocrat, all require a State where the sovereignty to rule resides in itself and not the people. This allows sovereignty to reside in the small minority who control the State.

While I agree that government is necessary, I also hold that I and all others are sovereign. Where there is conflict between members of a society it is a conflict between sovereigns, and should be treated as such, just as it is in the world of nations, because in essence we are all nations of one. It would be inconsistent to have one position for the interactive behavior of nations or groups of nations, and another for the interactive behavior of sovereign individuals or groups of sovereign individuals. We are all the heads of state and deserve to be treated as such. Or do you favor the treatment of Tibet, after all China is the majority.

[Tsukino_Rei]

In the last century the two phrases were used interchangeably, and they are still related for most anti-rich conspiracy types who see the world run by rich Jewish bankers. Even if you remove the anti-Semitic component, the rest of the viciousness still remains and is bad enough on its own. And targeting a faceless evil is even more dangerous for the innocent, as was evidenced by Joseph McCarthy and the anti-red scare. Then anyone can be attacked. What is evident in these attacks is the divide and eliminate strategy that we have seen over and over. That is embodied in the targeting small segments of society, the parts the majority do not care about, and moving on from one group to another until all are conquered and enslaved. Such is the tactic of the Statists. Whether Fascist, Communist, Nazi, Socialist, Crony Capitalist or Theocrat, all require a State where the sovereignty to rule resides in itself and not the people. This allows sovereignty to reside in the small minority who control the State.

While I agree that government is necessary, I also hold that I and all others are sovereign. Where there is conflict between members of a society it is a conflict between sovereigns, and should be treated as such, just as it is in the world of nations, because in essence we are all nations of one. It would be inconsistent to have one position for the interactive behavior of nations or groups of nations, and another for the interactive behavior of sovereign individuals or groups of sovereign individuals. We are all the heads of state and deserve to be treated as such. Or do you favor the treatment of Tibet, after all China is the majority.

I do agree that a dictatorship of the majority is something to be avoided and I am in favour of all members of society having a voice and the protection of certain rights and freedoms that should be shared by all people. And certainly, not all rich people take advantage of the tax evasion methods available to them, but for me the issue in discussion here is not how individuals behave, or even how a large group of individuals behave, but rather how the perceptions, rules and norms of society as a whole have been shaped to find certain behaviours either acceptable or undesirable depending upon the income level of the individuals performing the same basic behaviours. In the same way that it has been observed in the past that men sleeping around got feathers in their caps, while women sleeping around get to be called **s. There is an incongruency.

Edited September 14, 2012 by Tsukino_Rei

[Qryos]

~ I do apologise if I offended anyone in any way by my statement;

I understand the discrepency in social strata aspect & how that is distressing, but it's a capitalist country & this shtuff happens often.

She's guaranteed his estate as a legally recognised heir & since she's of age & not blood-related they can monkey-about as they wish.

Seriously, do you think this is the worse the massively rich do?

... Quite right to call me on that. I am very ignorant of what the very rich do.

I am sorry.

It does seem that money would allow power & privileges that are otherwise not allowed to others tho',

so, curiosity & perhaps envy & all that such of stuff are going to be involved in any discussion about large distances between 'classes'.

Actually, adopting her is a simple way of ensuring she inherits, a lovely way to tangle the courts in his DUI manslaughter case & all things are shiny there...

That's all.

Again, I apologise if I offended.