Right_Rev_Ian73 Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Does anyone know how we can set up a petition to get the Unliversal Life Church recognised/Established in the United Kingdom? I've searched on the UK Parliments hansard website and I've found this, and this is the ONLY mention of the ULC anywhere within the Hansard website. The Places of Worship Registration Act 1855 (the Act) provides for places of meeting for religious worship, excluding those belonging to the Established Church, to be certified to the Registrar General. A number of tests are applied by the Registrar General when a place of meeting for religious worship is certified to him. This includes the application of the judgment by the Court of Appeal in the Segerdal case in 1970. The main finding in the judgment is that the words 'place of meeting for religious worship' in the Act connote a place of which the principal use is for people to come together as a congregation to worship God or do reverence to a deity. A further test is whether the principal use of the building is for worship or for other matters, such as a private home or social club.Once the Registrar General is satisfied that the place of worship certified to him is capable of recognition, he adds it to the register of such places which, under the Act, he has a duty to maintain.The duty placed on the Registrar General does not extend to maintaining and retaining records of places or organisations that are not capable of recognition as places of worship under the Act, and the records held in this respect by the Registrar General are incomplete. However, the records that the Registrar General does hold confirm that since 1979, the following organisations have made unsuccessful applications for buildings certified as places of worship to be added to the register:Universal Life ChurchMiracle Revival AssemblyCalvary Full Gospel ChurchChristians not otherwise designatedRoman CatholicsThe Methodist ChurchWho object to be designated by any distinctive Religious AppellationOrder of Christ SpiritChristian SpiritualistJehovah's WitnessesCentre for ChristPentecostal Assemblies of GodBaptistsMount Zion Holiness AssemblyChurch of ChristChristian Fellowship in HuddersfieldInterdenominationChristians Nazarenes Methodist and PentecostalFirst Church of Christ, ScientistWentworth Road Christian FellowshipAssemblies of GodLlanelli BaptistGreat Conrad Free ChurchCalvary Church of GodChurch of GodGood News Church MacclesfieldThe Spiritualist SanctuaryGerman Speaking Evangelical Lutheran CongregationThe Order of Women FreemasonsMuslimsGur SangatOrthodox ChristiansCramlington Spiritualist ChurchFrankley Methodist /Anglican ChurchFellowship of Churches of ChristGod's Church of PeacePenzance Christian FellowshipNailsea Christian FellowshipPentwyn Christian FellowshipOfficers and Members of Emmanuel Pentecostal Faith Church of GodChurch of Christ of BethlehemWeybridge United Reformed ChurchHorringer Court Christian FellowshipChristchurch AbbeydaleBrotherhood MovementCaribbean House ChaplaincyGreater World Christian Spiritualist AssociationThe Independent African Caribbean Church of Christ of NazarethThe Pentecostal Evangelistic AssemblyLetchworth Lodge of the Theosophical Society in EnglandThe Holiness Church of God Inc.The Othona CommunityTrinity Church of ChristThe New Benedictine OrderThe Spiritualists National Union RedwoodsRedditch Christian FellowshipThe British Sailor's SocietyEmmanuel Christian FellowshipHighfield Free ChurchGood News ChurchHammarens Ordens Sallskap-The Order of the HammerApostolic Church of God Seventh DayMechanicsKorean Presbyterian ChurchCoptic Orthodox ChurchUnited Reformed ChurchThe Ashford Christian Spiritualist ChurchAmazing Grace and FriendsTavistock Community ChurchApostolicsTrinity Church of ChristChurch of England and United Reformed ChurchConfucians (Buddhists, Goddess of Mercy)Apostolic Church International (in UK)Members of the Correllian Nativist Church InternationalBuddhists (New Kadampa Tradition)CantheistFreedom Family ChurchRedeemed Christian Church of GodC.J's CitySt. Andrews Church of GodWiccanLife Sanctuary ChurchKriya Yoga AshramJesus Christ The Great Salvation FellowshipMount Sion Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator mdtaylor Posted May 30, 2010 Administrator Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Does anyone know how we can set up a petition to get the Unliversal Life Church recognised/Established in the United Kingdom? We? As in the ULC in Modesto, California? No, there is no interest in it. However, YOU as a minister of the ULC can now go and acquire a building and start regular services in the UK, and from that may petition for recognition. Modesto is likely not going to provide much other than information. Once you establish your church your ordination is still by the ULC but your church in the UK is on its own, legally, and must do everything yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right_Rev_Ian73 Posted May 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Thanks for the reply, sorry I meant WE as in the UK members, what can we do to get the ULC recognised within the UK and get the same freedom as the ULC gets in America. The question is really aimed at everyone living within the United Kingdomthanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator mdtaylor Posted May 31, 2010 Administrator Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Thanks for the reply, sorry I meant WE as in the UK members, what can we do to get the ULC recognised within the UK and get the same freedom as the ULC gets in America. The question is really aimed at everyone living within the United KingdomthanksVery well...the answer is still the same. Acquire a building and hold regular services. Petition the government for recognition.It won't happen overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope_cahbet Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Does anyone know how we can set up a petition to get the Unliversal Life Church recognised/Established in the United Kingdom? I've searched on the UK Parliments hansard website and I've found this, and this is the ONLY mention of the ULC anywhere within the Hansard website. The Places of Worship Registration Act 1855 (the Act) provides for places of meeting for religious worship, excluding those belonging to the Established Church, to be certified to the Registrar General. A number of tests are applied by the Registrar General when a place of meeting for religious worship is certified to him. This includes the application of the judgment by the Court of Appeal in the Segerdal case in 1970. The main finding in the judgment is that the words 'place of meeting for religious worship' in the Act connote a place of which the principal use is for people to come together as a congregation to worship God or do reverence to a deity. A further test is whether the principal use of the building is for worship or for other matters, such as a private home or social club.Once the Registrar General is satisfied that the place of worship certified to him is capable of recognition, he adds it to the register of such places which, under the Act, he has a duty to maintain.The duty placed on the Registrar General does not extend to maintaining and retaining records of places or organisations that are not capable of recognition as places of worship under the Act, and the records held in this respect by the Registrar General are incomplete. However, the records that the Registrar General does hold confirm that since 1979, the following organisations have made unsuccessful applications for buildings certified as places of worship to be added to the register:Universal Life ChurchMiracle Revival AssemblyCalvary Full Gospel ChurchChristians not otherwise designatedRoman CatholicsThe Methodist ChurchWho object to be designated by any distinctive Religious AppellationOrder of Christ SpiritChristian SpiritualistJehovah's WitnessesCentre for ChristPentecostal Assemblies of GodBaptistsMount Zion Holiness AssemblyChurch of ChristChristian Fellowship in HuddersfieldInterdenominationChristians Nazarenes Methodist and PentecostalFirst Church of Christ, ScientistWentworth Road Christian FellowshipAssemblies of GodLlanelli BaptistGreat Conrad Free ChurchCalvary Church of GodChurch of GodGood News Church MacclesfieldThe Spiritualist SanctuaryGerman Speaking Evangelical Lutheran CongregationThe Order of Women FreemasonsMuslimsGur SangatOrthodox ChristiansCramlington Spiritualist ChurchFrankley Methodist /Anglican ChurchFellowship of Churches of ChristGod's Church of PeacePenzance Christian FellowshipNailsea Christian FellowshipPentwyn Christian FellowshipOfficers and Members of Emmanuel Pentecostal Faith Church of GodChurch of Christ of BethlehemWeybridge United Reformed ChurchHorringer Court Christian FellowshipChristchurch AbbeydaleBrotherhood MovementCaribbean House ChaplaincyGreater World Christian Spiritualist AssociationThe Independent African Caribbean Church of Christ of NazarethThe Pentecostal Evangelistic AssemblyLetchworth Lodge of the Theosophical Society in EnglandThe Holiness Church of God Inc.The Othona CommunityTrinity Church of ChristThe New Benedictine OrderThe Spiritualists National Union RedwoodsRedditch Christian FellowshipThe British Sailor's SocietyEmmanuel Christian FellowshipHighfield Free ChurchGood News ChurchHammarens Ordens Sallskap-The Order of the HammerApostolic Church of God Seventh DayMechanicsKorean Presbyterian ChurchCoptic Orthodox ChurchUnited Reformed ChurchThe Ashford Christian Spiritualist ChurchAmazing Grace and FriendsTavistock Community ChurchApostolicsTrinity Church of ChristChurch of England and United Reformed ChurchConfucians (Buddhists, Goddess of Mercy)Apostolic Church International (in UK)Members of the Correllian Nativist Church InternationalBuddhists (New Kadampa Tradition)CantheistFreedom Family ChurchRedeemed Christian Church of GodC.J's CitySt. Andrews Church of GodWiccanLife Sanctuary ChurchKriya Yoga AshramJesus Christ The Great Salvation FellowshipMount Sion Apostolic Church of Jesus ChristNow, off the main topic, THAT is one impressive list ! All these groups have been unable to even get their buildings recognized as religious meeting sites? !? Wow ! Some of these groups are older than the UK and many are hundreds of years old, although I suppose a few of them are rather new-sounding or suspicious-sounding (Women Freemasons?!? :(Uhm, it is a FRATERNITY, as in BROTHER-hood. How the frak are women Brothers? The British Sailors Society as a religious group?!?) . All I can say is that the ULC in the UK is in pretty good company if all these other groups are on the same list. Just saying. Good luck with your quest for recognition by the UK authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revjerry Posted June 4, 2010 Report Share Posted June 4, 2010 A possibility:A group of ULC Ministers refer to themselves as "Missionaries" Baptise and/or ordain some in a sufficient number to constitute a "Congregation." Find a building or premises suitable for a church, whatever the requirements may be, make certain the real estate person(s) in charge is agreeable, and make your application on the basis that it is a "Church Planting." I'm not certain of all of the legal niceties involved, but I am aware that this seems to work for Mormons and several Asian churches. ...Segerdal case in 1970. The main finding in the judgment is that the words 'place of meeting for religious worship' in the Act connote a place of which the principal use is for people to come together as a congregation to worship God or do reverence to a deity. A further test is whether the principal use of the building is for worship or for other matters, such as a private home or social club.If one of the congregation, an ordained minister of course, were to place some chairs and a pulpit in his garage, which would not otherwise be used because said person does not own an auto, would this qualify under the above ruling?Blessings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right_Rev_Ian73 Posted June 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 thanks for all the replies, I copied that list from Hansard website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev_Huang Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 Hello Right_Rev_Ian, I think we need to get all the Ordained Ministers in the UK together on one forum and see if we can arrange a multi-faith meeting place that we can register as a place of worship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev_Huang Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 https://www.facebook.com/groups/UniversalLifeChurchUK/ I have created a group for the UK. I would like if the admin of the monastery facebook group would link to this so we can interlink and align with the US Monastery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 As I read this, it is concerned with buildings, and their usage. It is nothing to do with the recognition of the faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabbiO Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 9 hours ago, Rev_Huang said: Hello Right_Rev_Ian, I think we need to get all the Ordained Ministers in the UK together on one forum and see if we can arrange a multi-faith meeting place that we can register as a place of worship You may be waiting quite awhile for a reply. It's now more than 8 years since the poster last signed on to the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev_Huang Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Hello RabbiO, I am just hoping that they are still around. I have made a ULC in UK group so we can all get together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevBogovac Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 13 hours ago, RabbiO said: You may be waiting quite awhile for a reply. It's now more than 8 years since the poster last signed on to the forum. 44 minutes ago, Rev_Huang said: Hello RabbiO, I am just hoping that they are still around. I have made a ULC in UK group so we can all get together. I don't want to be an @$$, but I have to ask: What is that hope based on? As RabbiO already said; they have not been around for over 8 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevDrChrisO Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Rev_Huang said: Hello RabbiO, I am just hoping that they are still around. I have made a ULC in UK group so we can all get together. I am Interested In getting In touch regarding ULC In England I have sent you a PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark 45 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 there is a ulc uk site.problem was,the christians didn't want the pagans,among others,to be part of it.it's still up and running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkylarLee Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Hi all, I'm new to this so please forgive me . Reading all the comments re uk and being in the same situation given I'm im the uk . I would be intrested in communication with other uk members to see what can be done to get us recognised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 If you want to talk about something else, then drop me a message here. Registering is a total non-starter. There is no register of religions in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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