Discussion Of Time

[Sephira Midnyght]

I read a few of the things in the Fabric of Time post, and it got me thinking about something.

I am a fan of the now-cancelled TV show Danny Phantom, and there is one thing that the "Master of Time" character, the ghost Clockwork, said.

"The Observants look at time like they're watching a parade - one thing after another passing by in sequence right in front of them. I see the parade from above - all the twists and turns it might - or might not - take."

There's a lot more to our lives than just the path we have seen so far, the path we label the past, and we fail to understand time and our lives outside of the linear flow that our eyes and minds see. In this, we often fail to see how our lives could have been changed by a decision we have made. A perfect example is the fact that, one day, I decided that I didn't want to spend my ride home on the subway in Chicago, so I opted to take the bus. That night, I found out that the train that I would have been taking to get home derailed, and although there were no serious injuries, I was pregnant at the time. So many things could have been different, and the thought never crossed my mind until I found out that night what had happened.

Regarding time, I see time as a river, a vast river running from the beginning of time until its end. However, rather than being one straight line, it branches off again and again into little tributaries, changing its flow as the world changes, moving onto a different path because of the choices that have been made and the events that have transpired.

Just wanting to know if anyone else has ever had a moment like this, or what they think about the flow of time comment.

Sephira Midnyght

[kevinc]

the ancient greeks would view time as a line extending ahead of them into the past, and behind them into the future. in this way you walked backward through your life and could most clearly see where you had just been.

i try not to view my present as the result of the past, though. cause and effect just go on forever, and that would lead me to think, "what should i have done?", which is totally negative. better to think, "this is where i am. what can i do from here?"

[Wizard Adam]

A few weeks ago Larry King Live had some Pysicists and Retired Air Force Generals who claimed these UFO/Aliens were shutting down missles at several different sites. It all started back in the 60's and continues to this day, so they say ~smiles~.

I called in and actually got through ~chuckles~. My Question?

Why do you keep calling them "Aliens"? I mean if we are going to speculate let's really speculate ~grins~. What if these were people from the future trying to keep us from doing something really stupid? What if it has always been people from the future trying to subliminally guide our worst mistakes into something better?

I truly have no real concept of time...I never have to be anywhere at any certain time...it is completely perceptual linear and non-linear ~chuckles~.

[RevRainbow]

A few weeks ago Larry King Live had some Pysicists and Retired Air Force Generals who claimed these UFO/Aliens were shutting down missles at several different sites. It all started back in the 60's and continues to this day, so they say ~smiles~.

I called in and actually got through ~chuckles~. My Question?

Why do you keep calling them "Aliens"? I mean if we are going to speculate let's really speculate ~grins~. What if these were people from the future trying to keep us from doing something really stupid? What if it has always been people from the future trying to subliminally guide our worst mistakes into something better?

I truly have no real concept of time...I never have to be anywhere at any certain time...it is completely perceptual linear and non-linear ~chuckles~.

So what was their response?

PS: My kid has no concept of time either!!

[Wizard Adam]

So what was their response?

PS: My kid has no concept of time either!!

They gave it about 10 seconds of thought and moved on to the next commercial break ~chuckles~. I guess it wasn't quite the eye opener to them that it was to me ~chuckles~

[Samadhi]

Karma does not need to be seen as "what could I have done". If you live in the past, you harm the future. The fruits of tomorrow's karma are planted today as seeds. So indeed, thinking 'where can I go from here' should help one take actions that will produce the desired effect...

[mark 45]

i see time as a circle.no begining,no end.

what we see as a start and finish is just humans trying to measure something they don't understand.

[kokigami]

I have been looking for an excuse to post this link for a while.. silly, and on topic in some sense..

[forester]

that last post brings something pondered a while back one afternoon. When the phisical human body can be transported back into "time" with readily available technology, nexis individuals will have to be protected in order to protect the time line. So hitler would basicly be surrounded by time travelers from his future to ensure that he lives until the set point of his "death". If he was aware of this, he would assume that the tech was developed by his own research teams, and that he himself ordered the body gaurds into his past to protect him. That would be acceptable reasoning to him, especialy if the agents assigned him insisted that he himself had ordered them to not reveal any of his future events, in order to not taint the rise of the national socialist party.

And of course this may have happened and perhaps a medeling of time is already there for those that care to look for the clues.

[Fawzo]

that last post brings something pondered a while back one afternoon. When the phisical human body can be transported back into "time" with readily available technology, nexis individuals will have to be protected in order to protect the time line. So hitler would basicly be surrounded by time travelers from his future to ensure that he lives until the set point of his "death". If he was aware of this, he would assume that the tech was developed by his own research teams, and that he himself ordered the body gaurds into his past to protect him. That would be acceptable reasoning to him, especialy if the agents assigned him insisted that he himself had ordered them to not reveal any of his future events, in order to not taint the rise of the national socialist party.

And of course this may have happened and perhaps a medeling of time is already there for those that care to look for the clues.

I remember hearing of a guy who stated that he went back in time and killed his father to test the hypothesis out whether one could affect their own reality by such actions. When he came back to the present nothing earth shattering had changed so the assumption is that traveling back in time doesn't alter reality it just creates another split as in the multiple realities theme. Each decision we make some portion of ourselves branches off in the other possibility.

I wonder what the portion of me who decided not to post this craziness is doing right now.

[bsawtelle]

I remember hearing of a guy who stated that he went back in time and killed his father to test the hypothesis out whether one could affect their own reality by such actions. When he came back to the present nothing earth shattering had changed so the assumption is that traveling back in time doesn't alter reality it just creates another split as in the multiple realities theme. Each decision we make some portion of ourselves branches off in the other possibility.

I wonder what the portion of me who decided not to post this craziness is doing right now.

Of course now the police have a prime suspect in the murder of the guys father.

[kokigami]

that last post brings something pondered a while back one afternoon. When the phisical human body can be transported back into "time" with readily available technology, nexis individuals will have to be protected in order to protect the time line. So hitler would basicly be surrounded by time travelers from his future to ensure that he lives until the set point of his "death". If he was aware of this, he would assume that the tech was developed by his own research teams, and that he himself ordered the body gaurds into his past to protect him. That would be acceptable reasoning to him, especialy if the agents assigned him insisted that he himself had ordered them to not reveal any of his future events, in order to not taint the rise of the national socialist party.

And of course this may have happened and perhaps a medeling of time is already there for those that care to look for the clues.

if he is aware of them, the time line is changed, the future is changed, and they vanish, like a dwarf, in a puff of greasy black smoke.

I remember hearing of a guy who stated that he went back in time and killed his father to test the hypothesis out whether one could affect their own reality by such actions. When he came back to the present nothing earth shattering had changed so the assumption is that traveling back in time doesn't alter reality it just creates another split as in the multiple realities theme. Each decision we make some portion of ourselves branches off in the other possibility.

I wonder what the portion of me who decided not to post this craziness is doing right now.

or maybe his Mom cheated...

[forester]

"if he is aware of them, the time line is changed, the future is changed, and they vanish, like a dwarf, in a puff of greasy black smoke."

Well, no. He may be aware of these protectors from the future, but as stated, he thinks that he sent them into the past in his future. He can believe this all he wants, but the fact is that the natianal socialist uprising under the guies of the third reich failed, and it was the victor's ancestors who sent these body gaurds to protect him. Though he is the enemy, his existance must be protected until the designated temporal date of 5/5/1945 for the soviet troops to pull his body from the charred remains of a bunker and declare him officialy dead (This body identification of adolf and eva can be contested by many curious anamalitiys but thats not the point) .

And it could be in his arrogant assurance of future victory from these protectors that slack is given onto formally tightly held military reigns, acctualy leading to defeat. Like powdered suger in boiling water, the time travellers just become part of the mixture, as thier presense was infact already accounted for.

And on the subject, the history books are actualy filled with anamolis happenings that seem to steer things toward the way things are, so to speak. The unknown stranger who encouraged those present at the signing of the declaration of independance to actualy sign thier name when they began to balk, the strange tall man that commanded hitler to do as he did, who was "terrible to behold" (in his own words) ; as well as the anacronistic items floating around (bagdad battery, tutankumin's mecanical rooster, etc.), though these could of course be written off as simply deriving from an advanced civilization predating humanity by an aeon or so. But all in all, time travel may be quite feasable, and our past may have already been altered.

And along the lines of multi possible doings by people, as in eating an apple or an orange, and what happens in each universe after the fact...was tha apple poisen, did the orange give an extra boost of vitamins that triggered a thought that sprouts into an idead that eventualy changes the world, and so on...Perhaps when people go completly crazy as in killing sprees and such, that this is infact another facet of the person that was never in this reality before. And in the reality deviating from solid here and now existance, maybe it all just fades away. The eating of the poisen apple corrisponds with an earth quake or gas leak or meteor collision. And that reality no longer exists. But then again that is foolish, becuse the rubble itself from a shatered world would still exist as would the stars and such things...they would not stop existing just because humanity is not around to see it. So I'm probably wrong on that one

[Fawzo]

Anybody have any thoughts on the Philadelphia Experiment?

[kokigami]

"if he is aware of them, the time line is changed, the future is changed, and they vanish, like a dwarf, in a puff of greasy black smoke."

Well, no. He may be aware of these protectors from the future, but as stated, he thinks that he sent them into the past in his future. He can believe this all he wants, but the fact is that the natianal socialist uprising under the guies of the third reich failed, and it was the victor's ancestors who sent these body gaurds to protect him. Though he is the enemy, his existance must be protected until the designated temporal date of 5/5/1945 for the soviet troops to pull his body from the charred remains of a bunker and declare him officialy dead (This body identification of adolf and eva can be contested by many curious anamalitiys but thats not the point) .

And it could be in his arrogant assurance of future victory from these protectors that slack is given onto formally tightly held military reigns, acctualy leading to defeat. Like powdered suger in boiling water, the time travellers just become part of the mixture, as thier presense was infact already accounted for.

And on the subject, the history books are actualy filled with anamolis happenings that seem to steer things toward the way things are, so to speak. The unknown stranger who encouraged those present at the signing of the declaration of independance to actualy sign thier name when they began to balk, the strange tall man that commanded hitler to do as he did, who was "terrible to behold" (in his own words) ; as well as the anacronistic items floating around (bagdad battery, tutankumin's mecanical rooster, etc.), though these could of course be written off as simply deriving from an advanced civilization predating humanity by an aeon or so. But all in all, time travel may be quite feasable, and our past may have already been altered.

And along the lines of multi possible doings by people, as in eating an apple or an orange, and what happens in each universe after the fact...was tha apple poisen, did the orange give an extra boost of vitamins that triggered a thought that sprouts into an idead that eventualy changes the world, and so on...Perhaps when people go completly crazy as in killing sprees and such, that this is infact another facet of the person that was never in this reality before. And in the reality deviating from solid here and now existance, maybe it all just fades away. The eating of the poisen apple corrisponds with an earth quake or gas leak or meteor collision. And that reality no longer exists. But then again that is foolish, becuse the rubble itself from a shatered world would still exist as would the stars and such things...they would not stop existing just because humanity is not around to see it. So I'm probably wrong on that one

you are making a big leap here. You are, if I follow, assuming these people were already present and protecting him. Am I misunderstanding?

As far as I can see, if anyone travels in time, they will change the timeline, simply by existing in another timeline. It may be possible to observe a previous timeline, but even the act of observation can change the outcome. Of course, it is possible that these changed timelines already exist on alternate time paths. Perhaps possible is the wrong word. Inevitable..

[RevRainbow]

Anybody have any thoughts on the Philadelphia Experiment?

Probable in my estimation. A bit of reality mixed with myth (where have I heard that before?).

[Argonious]

I see Time as that which was, always the essence of itself, and the beginnings of our existence on and during this travel through what we call life.... In the time of a persons life span their can be a multitude of things in this realm that are affected and changed in other spaces of time.

[bsawtelle]

Anybody have any thoughts on the Philadelphia Experiment?

Isn't that a band??