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A few years back Rolling Stone interviewed the Dali Lama ( or whoever the face of Buddhism was at the time). In the interview he said that many monks are choosing to be reborn in the west, mainly to escape the totalitarian censorship taking place in the Tibet region toward anything contrary to stated government censure for the past several decades. As a result Buddhism has been more decidedly introduced into western thought , the westerners formally being easterners, as it were. Just an interesting thing related to this thread. I’m sure the interview could be found online if anyones interested. Don’t take my word for it.

DON’T PANIC

How about some EBs or whichever communicate with Earthonians to say Earth is off limits to outsiders while space is cut off to humanity because we killed Jesus? As likely a scene as any perhaps.

Yes.

yes androids can have souls. basic reasoning here being why wouldn't an android have a soul.

If it is not right, do not do it: if it is not true, do not say it.Marcus Aurelius

A dangerous path you tread there brother. Beware the beasts of the fields and such. Know your texts throughout. The Gospel of Thomas should provide some good one liners to your detractors, and you'll have a fair share for sure. The Nag Hammadi Library holds some pretty harsh teachings. Just some encouraging words to a fellow traveler.

When you come down to it, this is all an on going discussion on the nature of existence itself, in all it's forms we as a group can recognize and define. Though opinions differ, each is as valid as the next in the grand scheme of things. And it is nice to be able to join in this discussion (being the whole of the forums)at any time, provided a computer with internet capabilities can be accessed and used, and the time is to be had, and the site is up and running (never had a problem not resolved there, nice work). Each discussion topic and response is a window into someone else's reality; a perspective on something that all can see and is in plain sight, yet perceived so distinctly unlike one another, at times, that it hard to visualize from what perspective the thing in plain sight is being seen. And each reality is valid as the next for it is all a state of mind. That's why this is my forum of choice, the on going discussion on the nature of existence itself.

When Francis Bacon wrote/edited the King James Bible, the state of science was bleak; to the point where gravity was just being 'discovered' around the same time period. With learning and general historical knowledge actively being suppressed at the time, one may just wonder if he did in fact toss some smidgens of truth when choosing which creation myths to include in the mix; this assuming he actually had access to any held in high enough regard within masonic protocol. This of course opens up the can of worms that his Shakespeare plays may have also held some truths, which would be more believable because such documented chronicles would be available to him for publishing...as long as they were presented as 'fiction'. But considering that he would have access to nothing more than tales that through the ages have degraded to naught but myths and legends dealing with 'creation', a condensed version was the order of the day. At least concerning that which was presented to the public, leaving that which was 'true' for the eyes of the initiated. Word of mouth and mistranslations have left us with nothing but conjecture, on both a religious and scientific front. Anyhow, it always seemed to me that the argument and proofs of creationism lead to extraterrestrial or intradimensional beginnings for life on earth, not the hand of 'god'. And evolution may be standard procedure in the wild, but humanity is rising above it through caring for those that are not as 'fit' as the rest, aka anti-biotic discoveries, eye glasses, wheelchairs, and even the computer. So that in itself kind of makes survival of the fittest a moot point within human culture. Perhaps that is in fact the merging of spirituality and science. Maybe.

"if he is aware of them, the time line is changed, the future is changed, and they vanish, like a dwarf, in a puff of greasy black smoke." Well, no. He may be aware of these protectors from the future, but as stated, he thinks that he sent them into the past in his future. He can believe this all he wants, but the fact is that the natianal socialist uprising under the guies of the third reich failed, and it was the victor's ancestors who sent these body gaurds to protect him. Though he is the enemy, his existance must be protected until the designated temporal date of 5/5/1945 for the soviet troops to pull his body from the charred remains of a bunker and declare him officialy dead (This body identification of adolf and eva can be contested by many curious anamalitiys but thats not the point) . And it could be in his arrogant assurance of future victory from these protectors that slack is given onto formally tightly held military reigns, acctualy leading to defeat. Like powdered suger in boiling water, the time travellers just become part of the mixture, as thier presense was infact already accounted for. And on the subject, the history books are actualy filled with anamolis happenings that seem to steer things toward the way things are, so to speak. The unknown stranger who encouraged those present at the signing of the declaration of independance to actualy sign thier name when they began to balk, the strange tall man that commanded hitler to do as he did, who was "terrible to behold" (in his own words) ; as well as the anacronistic items floating around (bagdad battery, tutankumin's mecanical rooster, etc.), though these could of course be written off as simply deriving from an advanced civilization predating humanity by an aeon or so. But all in all, time travel may be quite feasable, and our past may have already been altered. And along the lines of multi possible doings by people, as in eating an apple or an orange, and what happens in each universe after the fact...was tha apple poisen, did the orange give an extra boost of vitamins that triggered a thought that sprouts into an idead that eventualy changes the world, and so on...Perhaps when people go completly crazy as in killing sprees and such, that this is infact another facet of the person that was never in this reality before. And in the reality deviating from solid here and now existance, maybe it all just fades away. The eating of the poisen apple corrisponds with an earth quake or gas leak or meteor collision. And that reality no longer exists. But then again that is foolish, becuse the rubble itself from a shatered world would still exist as would the stars and such things...they would not stop existing just because humanity is not around to see it. So I'm probably wrong on that one

that last post brings something pondered a while back one afternoon. When the phisical human body can be transported back into "time" with readily available technology, nexis individuals will have to be protected in order to protect the time line. So hitler would basicly be surrounded by time travelers from his future to ensure that he lives until the set point of his "death". If he was aware of this, he would assume that the tech was developed by his own research teams, and that he himself ordered the body gaurds into his past to protect him. That would be acceptable reasoning to him, especialy if the agents assigned him insisted that he himself had ordered them to not reveal any of his future events, in order to not taint the rise of the national socialist party. And of course this may have happened and perhaps a medeling of time is already there for those that care to look for the clues.

Robert Jorden's Wheel of Time books. This is the third time but a new one came out months ago so I want to remember who's who and what's what before I start the new one. It is more enjoyable this time around because I know what happens to some of the characters as they are introduced, and still have personal theories who may yet be revealed to be a darkfriend. So I'm on 2 of 11 so far, or maybe it's 12. Still looking forward to the next George RR Martin fire and ice book...and if it comes out soon I'll drop the wheel of time to read it. Not that the wheel is bad, it's that the fire and ice is that good.

Tuff Voyaging by George RR Martin (for about the fifth time)