Dorian Gray

it shows me living 71 years.

My maid looks better then that but then again she doesn't clean nude either

That was MD, not me. Any local custom jewelry store or one that does resizes locally should be able to do it. May even try a local machine shop.

true if you have the drill for it.

Thats a medal rather then a rosary Devon.

i laugh through that movie all the time

In my prayers bro

I concur and that was part of the reason Kirby Hensley founded the church in an effort to pretty much do away with churches (and by extention ministers) having any special treatment. the OP has a case, he has requested authorization and feels that he meets the requirements and has been duly denied so he has been infringed upon. It could even go to a class action suit. The trick is getting an attorney to take it. Mabe convince one to get ordained and be part of the class.

We will see who has the last word!!! :jester: One state's case law CAN influence another state's case law, but the arguments for it have to be strong the laws must be substantially similar, etc, etc. I have seen it work both ways where case law from state X has been successfully used in state Y and where it hasn't. As Mr. Taylor points out, case law can be overruled (just like regular laws) by a court or the next higher court. In the case of the ULC, there are a few states where the ULC's status is questionable. Generally speaking if you are an active minister with an actual ministry and a congregation that you minister to, you are in a different "category" then someone who's only qualification is simply being ordained by the ULC. The example I will use is the Military Justice System. It is built on what are called the "four pillars". The US Constitution, the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), the Manual for Courts Martial (MCM) and Precedent (case law). The civilian side has much the same with the US Constitution, State and Federal Laws (equivalent to the UCMJ), the State and Federal Rules of Evidence (MCM) and Precedent (case law). The legal system can be complex, especially systems based on English Common Law (like ours). There is a reason why lawyers have to go to school for so long and pass a test.

AG is the attorney general. AG opinions are the official stance of the AG issuing it on the subject being addressed. They are as the name suggests just an opinion and not binding law like a statute or case law.

The law was changed, but not in any major way that would, in and of itself, negate the ruling on intent of the law. The judge would likely argue that had the law makers wanted that changed they would have EXPRESSLY made that change. In this case, the law now is verbatim the same as it was in the Cramer case.

Lobby your state reps/senators to change the law or try to sue to get the case law overturned if you want to have JUST the ULC ordination to be "enough." Now if you have a legitimate ministry that would overrule you just being ordained as the people you actively minister to would have selected you. DISCLAIMER: I am not an attorney, this does not constitute legal advice, when in doubt, contact an attorney licensed to practice law in your location.

Right, and the CASE LAW says that ULC'er are not (by vitue of JUST being ordained by the ULC) entitled to perform marriages. The OPINION is after the case law, but until challenged legally, the case law still stands as law.

VA is questionable for the ULC. http://www.ulcseminary.org/forum/uploads/CramervCommonwealthofVirginia.pdf Cramer v Cramer http://www.ag.virginia.gov/Opinions%20and%20Legal%20Resources/Opinions/2001opns/01-057.pdf VA OAG Opinion OAG opinions are just that, an opinion and not legally binding like case law.

Well this is about the 3 time today that it has been "back up" and each time seems a bit more in the way of post have disappeared.

i am willing to bet it will.

You and yours are in my prayers.

In my location it is legally to smoke and drive with kids on the car and its a primary offense (stoppable just for that). My wife smokes and is only allowed to do so outside of the house and not in the cars (regardless if the kids are in the car or not). Even my in-laws go outside (in thier own house) if kids are around.

That would never happen /sarcasm....

True, but to me the important ones are the legal ones at the HQ.

Or that too if you want to use the middle man approach. :-)

Just call or write the HQ in Modesto with your name at the time of ordination and the date and they will update your address. Universal Life Church, Headquarters 601 Third St. Modesto, CA 95351 Office Ph: 209-527-8111 Fax: 209-527-8116 Office Hours: Monday - Friday 7:30am - 4:00 pm

I would argue that taxation is the default position of any organization in a country that has taxes. Religious organizations are offered an exception. Now personally, I agree with Kirby Hensley...tax the church.

I really don't know. I seem to recall something about Hispanics being pissed that they weren't listed as a race and this was some kind of compromise. Can't really cite a source, just remember a briefing about it when it was added to the military record system.

I know federally "Latino/Hispanic" is not an independent "race". It is an "ethnicity" of Caucasian. Wikipedia has a decent article on the Census with regard to race and ethnicity. WRT primary race, that is prob. more geared towards a Tiger Woods then someone who is strictly biracial. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Census