Pastor Dave

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  • Birthday 08/20/1962

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  1. I think there may be some confusion as to what a soul is. I'm not going to try to speak for all Christians here however, from what I've been taught just as God is a triune being so too is man. The human experience is encompassed in three ways. Body, soul and spirit. When I was younger I thought soul and spirit were just different words for the same thing. Many Christian scholars have defined the three as being different aspects of our being. As I understand it, the body is just a vehicle through which we experience the world. The key components of the body are the five senses. The soul is what makes us all different individuals. The soul is said to consist of the mind, will and emotions. The spirit is the part of us that was breathed into us by God. The spirit may be said to be made up of your intuition (sensitivity to the Holy Spirit), conscience (determining right from wrong) and communion (with God). When looked at in this way it can be said with certainty the soul does exist. We have a mind, will and emotions.
  2. Yes sometimes it is difficult to assess a persons motivation for saying certain things online. I try to read a smile into some things, but there are times when I just don't see it. I can usually take a jab as well as give one. It is only when it starts to seem rude, crude, or mean-spirited that I take issue. Usually I will just ignore those people from that point forward. Occasionally I may take the first shot .... but it is usually with someone I believe will see the humor. If I trade jabs with someone I hope they feel comfortable enough talking to me that they can realize it's just all in good humor. If I have offended anyone here I sincerely apologize.
  3. I first thought of Alice Cooper. But I'm a little old. My sons would have probably thought of Marilyn Manson. IMO he's definitely looking to draw his following from the Goth crowd. Yeah, there are probably enough people looking for that type of shepherd. That video only has a little over 400 likes out of ~4000 views.... still, that's a lot of people that seem to be buying what he's saying. SMH
  4. Well it looks like we are the only ones who were able to watch this guy. Yep BS detector. IMO he starts out ok but quickly loses credibility. Since I don't practice that kind of math I can neither confirm nor disprove his conclusion but it seems to me that there should be 42 blackboards full of math before that could be arrived at.
  5. This came across my Facebook this evening. If you can sit through this I'm interested in hearing your comments. I'll hold my thoughts for now so as not to influence anyone. Soul Equation
  6. Oops, I just caught my mistake ... sorry ..... Genesis was written ~2600 years before Maimonides. I must have added when I should have subtracted.
  7. Or maybe it's a me thing? ....... A planetarium projects on to a dome shaped ceiling to give the illusion of the night sky. Doesn't the sky always look as if it touches the horizon to you?
  8. Aristotle Quote. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. 1. I'm not sure why you see it as a fail. I come from the school of thought that if a scripture can be understood in multiple ways then it should be looked at in every way that it can be. After looking at it from every angle that you can see you should then apply the view or views that make the most sense. That is why I appreciate the last 16 years of Atheists, Agnostics, Satanists, Wiccans, Gnostics and everyone else I've encountered. They often bring up arguments that would not have occurred to me. In doing so they encourage me to search the scripture and study rather than just read the Bible. For me, just as yome can be translated as age raqiya should first be seen as an expanse. I don't read or speak Biblical Hebrew but I have my Strong's concordance to rely on whenever looking at the definitions of Hebrew words. Are you saying you could keep up with Hawking or the others? If you can then maybe it isn't useful to you. As for us carpenters fisherman and shepherds when looked at from the right angle everything falls into place. I think the reason you and Hawking don't find it useful might be because you are holding on to a traditional fundamentalist view and refuse to accept that just because others saw it one way that it is the only way to see it. 2. Just as Maimonides used the information available to him so should we use the information available to us to decide how we see the vast cosmos. So should future generations who will think we were so ignorant. Who is the modern equivalent of Maimonides? Did he do all that can be done with scripture? Are there no new revelations to be had? I think not. I believe that scripture was inspired by God to grow with humanity. It is up to us to look at scripture with our current understanding while remembering that it was given to us ~3500 (Moses) years ago. 3. It seems you may have found at least one point we can agree on.
  9. And you are supposing that God could not inspire the writers of scripture to write in a way that could be comprehended by them and still be useful to us. I have great respect for Maimonides. In fact I cited him in another thread, Why don't Christians Drop the "Old" Testament? Never the less, Maimonides was still working with the knowledge available during the 12th century and the traditions that were handed down to him. BTW Genesis was written ~4600 years before Maimonides. Don't you think he understood scripture with a different perspective than the writers?
  10. Jesus tells us in Mark 7:13 (CJB) 13 Thus, with your tradition which you had handed down to you, you nullify the Word of God! And you do other things like this.” It seems to me that is what you have done here. Let's look at the Strongs Hebrew definition of firmament rather that what tradition has handed us. firmament: 7549 raqiya` raw-kee'-ah: from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:--firmament. HW 7554 I see nothing here that might even imply that the firmament is fixed or solid. From any point on the planet all that you can see is an arch of the sky.
  11. Yeah, it is very interesting. 9500 years would put it just after the last ice age. Before your post I remember looking at an article about the 10 oldest trees several years ago and a tree called Methuselah was the oldest tree. Methuselah is a 4,848-year-old Great Basin bristlecone pine. Upon looking up Methuselah I noticed that in 2012 they found another one that they say is 5,066 years (germination in 3050 BC) I find it amazing that YHWH, the god I worship, could create life that could survive that many millennia. I had to read this a couple of times to see what you are getting at. If I get it wrong or miss anything I apologize. So are you asking why the Bible puts it that way? As if Earth was why the entire universe were created. God created all things for us, at least in my way of seeing things. Does that mean we are the only reason God created the universe. Of course not. As far as the "to give light upon the Earth" part let me ask you a question or two. Is that not what they do? Of course they do. Is that all that they do? Of course not.
  12. How long have you held on to this question? Whether looked at from a literal perspective or a day/age view it doesn't seem that hard to explain. Light was created on the first day. Plants show up on the third day. The sun appears on the fourth. I have a vegetable garden every year. I start my tomatoes & peppers indoors under artificial lights 6 - 8 weeks before setting outside. So for their first 6-8 weeks they never see any sun. I've had times where I had to leave home for a day or 2 and the artificial lights weren't turned on for that time ... my seedlings survived. So, from a literal view if the plants were created on day 3 and the sun on day 4 no problem.. If the plants were created on day 3 and the sun shone on day 4 It doesn't seem that impossible to me. From the day/age viewpoint the same thing applies. The plants were created at the end of the third age and the sun was made at the beginning of the fourth age. Could you give me a quote on that one? None of the Bible interpretations I normally use say anything about "for decoration" or "hanging on the firmament". KJV 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. CEB 14 God said, “Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night. They will mark events, sacred seasons, days, and years. 15 They will be lights in the dome of the sky to shine on the earth.” And that’s what happened CJB 14 God said, “Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to divide the day from the night; let them be for signs, seasons, days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the dome of the sky to give light to the earth”; and that is how it was. AMP 14 Then God said, “Let there be light-bearers (sun, moon, stars) in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be useful for signs (tokens) [of God’s provident care], and for marking seasons, days, and years; 15 and let them be useful as lights in the expanse of the heavens to provide light on the earth”; and it was so, [just as He commanded]. Day/age ..... an age could be any unspecified period of time.
  13. I understand what you are saying. How exactly was this dated? We know carbon 14 dating only works with organic matter. Never the less, here is something else to contemplate. The Hebrew word yome or yom in the creation story (KJV) is translated as day (2,008x), time (64x), chronicles (with H1697) (37x), daily (44x), ever (18x), year (14x), continually (10x), when (10x), as (10x), while (8x), full 8 always (4x), whole (4x), alway (4x), miscellaneous (44x).. My Strongs concordance gives mr these possible definitions day: 3117 yowm yome: from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverb):--age, + always, + chronicals, continually(-ance), daily, ((birth-), each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever(-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (... live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year(-ly), + younger. I've also seen the word eon used. Although not traditional, there is a school of thought called the day age theory. Day age theory contends that rather than a 24 hr day each of the days actually represents an undefined age. This is rejected by a majority of Jewish and Christian theologians because of the use of " And the evening and the morning were" before each day. However when you replace day with age in the story ........
  14. I have read a considerable amount of the apocryphal texts. Some, to me, are easy to see why they weren't canonized. Others I might have included in canon. I am familiar with the stories of Lilith, however that is not one that I have read.