RevBogovac

You're beating around the bush mieshec; I am specifically talking about your god killing off all first borns of an entire nation just to make his point (after actually "hardening" Pharaoh's heart against that point! Sic!)

Yes. Exactly why Asimov described the three laws of robotics over half a century ago...

And your God makes complete sense; as he has been described in that "old testament" (Genesis, to be precise) he is committing infanticide just to prove a point (while actually first "hardening Pharaoh's hart" against that point, sic!)... that (description) is a fact. It says so in right there in that chapter. Whether you choose to (believe and) justify that... well... that's on you.

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” ― Mark Twain

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Sometimes that's the safest place to be; right in the centre of attention...

(It's) definitely (going to be a different world than that binary one)! And, please don't get me wrong (y'all); I'm not blaming the Islamic religion here as the culprit. It (religion) is only the vessel that is being used by some power hungry elites for their own powerplay... That "play" seems prone to "collateral damage". And yes, Christian religion (and their elite) will be part of that "play" too. As long as we keep talking to one another, there's hope. But if I look at the "leadership" currently being "chosen" by the evangelists... I am not so certain if "they" are willing to talk...

I've seen my fair share of collateral damage in Yugoslavia from it... that (collateral damage) is the more worrying part.

Wait... that's that same god that killed off an entire generation of first born children just to prove a point to a Pharaoh who didn't listen to his stepbrother...? Although he is supposed to be alknowing and almighty (even supposedly hardening that same Pharaoh's heart to that same message, sic!)... that god? And you expect him and his followers to be consistent and just? WoW...

I find that more worrying...

Yes, so there is an interaction between gullibility and self interest then...? So, there is hope...?

But is it gullibility or plain self interest...?

Please don't (walk away). Although not everyone participates in the discussion doesn't mean they are not influenced by it. I know you(-r contributions) influenced my live. And it was for the better. So: thank you!

You do understand you're contradicting yourself...? If that supreme being already knows what you're going to do, you actually do not have free wil... it is all predestined then.

Ah yes, that obviously justifies infanticide. To you, at least. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: enjoy your "good" god.

Maybe. But a baby is not. Anyone (a supposedly all-knowing, all-mighty god in particular) who punishes them for anything is a "sick puppy" in my book.

Wow, that's really messed up! So he willingly "worked on" Pharaoh knowing he would be killing babies?!? And people still call that god "good"... Wow... just: wow... 🤮

Again the hostage-taker-argument? That's weak. (And we're running around in circles.) I can not come to any other conclusion that that a god who knowingly kills infants is a bad entity by my morals. But obviously you only "believe" the bibals ethics, that's your choice. No one's arguing Pharaoh eventually didn't get what he was due. But killing an entire nation's innocent first born is not "good". And that is what your god says he did. That is not "good" by my intrinsic morals. And not by anyone who has any intrinsic morals. But hey, nice ethics that book is conveying!

This has nothing to do with you or me. It's about your god claiming that he is "good" while killing innocent children. (No, Pharaoh didn't kill them, your god did. If he had an ounce of morals and was even close to being good he would have punished Pharaoh, not innocent children.)

You do understand that you are not only condoning but actually smiling upon infanticide. Dude, that's sick. I don't care who does the killing... it is inherently evil to kill babies. All you have demonstrated with your bible quotes is that your god is a vengeful evil being. And you smile upon that...

Really? You think your God "knows" anything about administering justice? Killing babies because their leader supposedly did something? Sure... Have "fun" with that megalomaniac for all eternity...

1. That's a load of crap logic criminals (hostage-takers/kidnappers) use to justify their actions; 2. Punishing others instead of the one responsible is morally wrong. He should have punished pharaoh. But sure, you think he is "good". Sure...

Killing innocent babies speaks more to the imagination of an unjust deity... Although I am sure there are more than enough "christians" to be found who will explain to us how their god did it out of love and a profound sense of justice.

Really? You are arguing about this with someone who will defend his god killing every single first born of an entire country because their leader didn't listen to the demands of his stepbrother... Even if that god existed, he is not "good" in my book. Neither would I worship him. Nor want to spend eternity with him.

Valid.