RevBogovac

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  1. First of all: welcome back! Second: is that the same parable as the one about the Elephant and the blind men...?
  2. Oh, that would be fun! Next level "Eliza was/is here"...
  3. Yes, true... nurture is a very strong factor. I was just pointing out that empathy (if not nurtured) does have it's built-in down-sides...
  4. No, it isn't (presumptuous); this is a topic on evidence. To me that means empiric evidence. So yes, "your" evidence falls short of empiricism and is therefore qualified as "living a lie". What you call "limitations of science" is still a lot more empirical evidence than what you offer as evidence. No, not "all knowing", not "without flaws"... but getting better and better. And yes; science does have provable knowledge "beyond the grave" (read up on: conservation of energy). But, long story short: you are afraid of dying and therefore are willing to accept some man-made-up-story... without any real evidence.
  5. Yes, thankfully the days are getting longer again and the period of hope and light has started (again).... Wishing all the best to all too!
  6. Unfortunately there is a lot of scientific proof that shows us it is actually "built in" (especially research with babies). Thankfully not that "hard coded" and a lot still depends on upbringing (thankfully, so I must commend the upbringing of your grand child), but in essence we are hard coded for empathy towards "our own" group... This research got a huge impuls by a paper published in 2010 "The Neuropeptide Oxytocin Regulates Parochial Altruism in Intergroup Conflict Among Humans" in Science, Vol. 328, Issue 5984 by Carsten and De Dreu and subsequent research/papers...
  7. It takes (a lot) of courage for a man to admit he does not have all the answers and probably will never have them... and still continue to live his live as best as he can (only accepting evidence for the best answer possible at that moment in time). Who was it that said: "the more I know the more I realise how little I know"...? So I want to add another downside to living a lie: you do not only lose a lot of your valuable time, but you actually lose time that you could have spend on things that are scientifically proven to give live purpose, meaning and over-all well-being: spending time on a passion that you want to develop further (preferably in a team effort) and spending time enriching other peoples lives (giving mutual benefits)....
  8. Yes, there is (a down side); you might be wrong, actually one of the other religions might be right. Or none of them...
  9. There is a "dark side" to empathy too; we are "wired" to empathise to those closest to us. This can lead - if not carefully nurtured - to racism et cetera...
  10. Just to join in (not so much reacting to Pete, as well the "overall"); this forum has definitely been a learning curve for me too... thank you all for that!
  11. I am literally rolling on the floor laughing out loud... Thanks Dan!
  12. Yes, we definitely do; punishing someone (or even something) that isn't at fault is the very definition of unjust. But hey, good news: you and your god are a perfect match! (One would almost think you are one and the same.) Have fun with him for eternity...
  13. Of course you don't. It doesn't fit your "reality".
  14. Let's break this down: - Eve was trapped into doing something, but even putting that aside (and not even mentioning the why "we" shouldn't have the knowledge of that tree) the consequence was that all living things were going to die. That - by itself - is the very definition of unjust (punishing innocent beings for something they didn't do). - The bear mauling was - again - the very definition of unjust; it is called arbitrariness when one time an offence is (severely!) punished while other times the same offence goes unpunished (especially if the so called "just" being is allegedly all-knowing and all-powerful). - The flood is actually unjust on both accounts: what did all the other (innocent!) mammals, reptiles and birds do to be punished and why did the fish get off without (arbitrary!) punishment?!? - I didn't ask any one to kill their own kid for me (neither did the majority of humanity in history); to do so is - again - unjust (Jesus didn't do the offence and also arbitrary as he either did so "willingly" and for the whole of humanity or he was coerced in doing so only for the greater good and praise for his father). But - and also again - have fun threading water for the rest of eternity with that "benevolent" being you call god...
  15. Words are cheap; his (according to your bible, documented) actions speak for themselves (trapping Eve so all living things will die, bear-moaling, flooding, letting his owns son be crucified et cetera)... sounds like you'll be threading water for the rest of eternity... have fun!
  16. Yes, that is obvious. The question was: why?!? Why would you even want to spend eternity with such a bully...?
  17. And there we go with the threats again... one would think that a benevolent god would have found more persuasive means... but no. Anyway, if your god really returns and is such an ego-tripper that he needs my affirmation in advance on blind faith well... he isn’t an all good god then whom I would choose to spend the rest of eternity serving. Not even mentioning his “temper” (which is totally arbitrary too, having bears moal he one and leaving the other be). Have “fun” with him I say! (I’m with cuchulain.)
  18. funny... usually you are the first one to point out the "higher" meaning of bible verses and I always thought those verser were (also) to be taken as an instruction to not only proliferate literally but also to "spread the word"... but OK, whatever suits your belief. Seems a bit selfish to me (knowing the prophesies that are coming and still not trying to save as many of your fellow people as possible... (At least the Jehova's witnesses pretend to care.)
  19. Isn't that the opposite of what your bible commands (in Genesis 1:28 and 9:1)? Bye Dan!
  20. I like the concept of Apatheism; a god that is not able to make himself known, nor is able to intervene is - by definition - irrelevant. Saves us all a lot of useless arguing. Hi Dan!
  21. Hmkay, thanks! That got lost - to me - in translation. But I get it (now)....
  22. I don't get it... what question is being asked...? I hear a "homework" assignment ("does the multiverse exist") but I believe that's intended for the viewer (i.c. me, and I don't consider myself to be the God)... so, sorry, but I really don't get it...
  23. IMHO I feel it is the very essence of this forum (to discuss matters "amongst ourselves" with differing view as to grow in our understanding of those matters)... And yes; welcome to the forum!