RevBogovac

As I mentioned many moons ago: if you were (living as a) Quaker I would actually - at least - respect your position. But on the other hand... One must - at least - admire the irony in you being able to use the wonderful things science has brought us to spread you "opinion" on what's knowable...

Sounds like a healthy attitude to me...

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I like the tips! I also tend to get into these kind of arguments and as I have seen you comment very often; they lead to nothing good. Getting too old for that... life is too short. Thanks!

Why am I not surprised...? Cheers!

What about an apatheistic agnostic theist? Someone who "believes" there is possibly some supernatural being (or beings) but know he can never know (prove) it for sure and therefore doesn't care...?

Yes, I actually have a couple of those in a display case in my study. Now comes the science; those sea shells are there because those mountains have been sea bottoms millions of years ago. I know your bronze age book says the earth isn't that old but carbon dating actually proves otherwise. Those sea bottoms have been pushed up bu tectonic plate movements (another part of science, how nice)... The nice part is that those sea shells actually are impossible to have been grow or deposited by that supposed flood because they are all millions of years old and not all from the same (40 days was it?) period... Seems like a much more plausible (and provable) answer. But as I have said already, the "flood" has been discussed elsewhere and can be considered fiction (barring the tsunamis that have obviously occured and will continue to occur but hardly cover that story from the bible).

The biblical "flood" has been discussed already: fiction...

Exactly Dan! If some cataclysmic event wiped out most of humanity and all written knowledge that would be exactly what would happen; science would come back exactly as it is (1+1=2 and 1^1=1 et cetera), but although religions would come back non would be exactly the same as before... the truth thrives.

Sorry, but barely a minute into the video I just had to stop.

Considering all this I'm actually getting more and more surprised that apatheism didn't get more credit. There seem to have been a lot of important/significant historical people who were apatheist like (a lot of the founding fathers of the USA come to mind) Copernicus, Galilei, Newton, Erasmus and Spinoza... to name "a few"...

Too bad he refers to Agnostic Theists as Idiots... Some (short) video's on apatheism (which he mentions at the beginning) would add a nice third dimension to the discussion...

That's it! I'm converted... 😇

Really? Death threats "sound good to you"?!? HmKay. Have "fun" with that "loving" and "humble" god... for eternity...

Yeah, you just keep on justifying your "loving, almighty" god committing infanticide (sic!) At least it's consistent. Good for you.

What is this? A pissing match? If your god really was all-mighty and all-knowing acting out of love he would have found a better solution than infanticide... It's like saying the Germans put millions of Jews to death so now we'll eradicate all the Germans. Sure, it's a point of view... but don't come telling me that it's the point of view of an omnipotent being that is acting out of love...

Exactly. All-mighty and all-knowing, maybe. But not very "loving" in my book...

You god is. It is the "old" hostage taker dilemma... but even more discerning; if you god was really omnipotent, all-knowing and loving as you say then he simply should have found a solution which doesn't include the killing of en entire nation of innocent kids.

You haven't answered this one though, Dan...

Interpretation isn't the point. A threat remains a threat by it's intention.

A bit of consistency please, Dan... First you say that "believers" get eternal live, now you say "death is certain for everything living"...

Really Dan?!? So please explain to me what those (entire nation of) children did exactly to deserve a death penalty...

And here we go with the death threats again...

Thank you for proving my point Dan. Your all-knowing, all-powerful, loving god didn't have a better answer than "an eye for an eye"... justifying infanticide.

You have both (Dan and mieshec) found the perfect god for you. In my "book" there is no justification for infanticide. Especially not for a god that claims to be all knowing, all powerful and loving (sic!).