Pastor Dave

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  1. So ..... this has shown up twice in the last couple of days on my facebook feed, from two different people, so I thought I'd share it with you all. There is a famous story told in Chassidic literature that addresses this very question. The Master teaches the student that God created everything in the world to be appreciated, since everything is here to teach us a lesson. One clever student asks “What lesson can we learn from atheists? Why did God create them?” The Master responds “God created atheists to teach us the most important lesson of them all — the lesson of true compassion. You see, when an atheist performs and act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world, he is not doing so because of some religious teaching. He does not believe that god commanded him to perform this act. In fact, he does not believe in God at all, so his acts are based on an inner sense of morality. And look at the kindness he can bestow upon others simply because he feels it to be right.” “This means,” the Master continued “that when someone reaches out to you for help, you should never say ‘I pray that God will help you.’ Instead for the moment, you should become an atheist, imagine that there is no God who can help, and say ‘I will help you.’”
  2. God & godless alike.... choose respect first ?

    I thought we were talking about normal folks here. If we're talking about the mentally unstable then, at least for me, all bets are off. I'll have to stop now and just say that I choose to believe that you have chosen to believe that you have no choice in what you believe. I however, choose to exercise my free will to choose which unprovable claims I will or will not believe.
  3. God & godless alike.... choose respect first ?

    Ok Done. I now believe John Hanson was the very first president. The first president. So now I ask you..... if belief is not a choice then how can people, given the same information or lack thereof, believe differently?
  4. Why Did God Create Athiests?

    VonNoble and Brother Kamen, It sounds like your mothers were saints compared to my mom. My mother would likely have waited for them to get close enough to reach and stuck them with her switchblade that she always carried in her purse.
  5. God & godless alike.... choose respect first ?

    Ahhh, but your experiment gives no choice (at least on the first two) because these are not things where we have a real choice to make. Belief is something we choose to do without physical evidence. We have evidence that George Washington was the first U.S. president. We have evidence that there are windmills in the Netherlands, and there may be evidence that your great-grandfather was born in a schoolhouse ( I have not seen that evidence so I choose not to make a choice on that one at this time). Well, kind of. It really boils down to who or what you choose to believe. We all believe many, many things that we can not prove for ourselves. We take peoples word that these things are true, but if we can't even prove them to one another then it is still just belief. Whether you believe the minister, the cosmologist, the history books, or the politician you have still made a choice on who and what you believe
  6. Why Did God Create Athiests?

    Interesting read, but I'm not sure how it directly relates to the story.
  7. Why Did God Create Athiests?

    Interesting that you, an atheist, and I, a Christian, can see the same thing in this story.
  8. God & godless alike.... choose respect first ?

    Let's try this experiment with a little different criteria. Take something you know nothing about, and is unimportant to your life. What if I tell you I live in a white house situated on a hill. You can choose to believe it or you can choose not to believe it or you can choose not to make a choice. The choice is yours. If belief is not a choice then you will automatically know whether my house is white .... or green.
  9. Why Did God Create Athiests?

    Ok I have another piece of ancient Jewish wisdom to share. Let's see what you all think of this story. It's been a few years since I heard this one, and it's probably written down somewhere but I can't find it. Forgive me if you know the story and I get anything wrong. There was a Rabbi who upon coming home found that there was a thief in his house robbing him. When the thief heard the Rabbi come in he fled with whatever he already had. The Rabbi ran after him and yelled to the thief, "You can have it". In doing so the Rabbi had released the man from the guilt of his actions.
  10. Why Did God Create Athiests?

    Thanks for the clarification Jonathan. When I read the first one I thought maybe you had changed your mind about me. LOL
  11. Why Did God Create Athiests?

    Von, Yes, the New Testament does teach "give and you will receive". In the religious circles I am connected to it is known as a "spiritual law". Spiritual laws, in our circles, are said to work for everyone just as natural laws, like gravity, work for everyone.
  12. Why Did God Create Athiests?

    LOL Jonathan, I think the reason I posted it is because of the truth of it. Many folks perform acts of kindness out of a sense of religious duty or obligation. That can't be said for athiests, although meredog did make some good points.
  13. Does it make the top 3....on your list?

    Since Love tops my list, I would have to say that a sense of humor is in the top 5 for sure. Many years ago my beautiful wife, whom I love and who loves me, told me that my wit was one of the first things that attracted her to me.
  14. Racing with a tiger

    LOL I'm not commenting on the accuracy of the study, .... it's just that this conversation was talking about lucid dreams and this happened to show up on facebook.
  15. Racing with a tiger

    Technique to induce lucid dreaming
  16. Best label for this assignment

    If that is the second position he chooses to take I would be willing to offer up a few of the things that I find persuasive. He may well choose to go with Agnostic and Atheist as the two positions to present.
  17. Best label for this assignment

    Spiritual things can not be proven with scientific tools. Science can not be proven with spiritual tools. It's kind of like me asking you to measure a football field with a measuring cup or how much water is in a pool with a geiger counter. It just can't be done. Just my 2 cents worth.
  18. Greetings

    Oh, I should have said check with local authorities.
  19. Greetings

    Your ordination is legit. The legality of your ordination is determined by where you are. Some locations recognize ULC and some don't. Yes, I do believe the ULC does allow you to baptize, make sermons, celebrate Eucharist, and perform funerals.
  20. Greetings

    Ask away Greg. The answers you get may express a variety of opinions though.
  21. I resemble that remark.....

    I'm 15 miles from a Redbox. The wife's car gets a little over 30 mpg. That's a gallon to pick up a movie from Redbox and bring it home, and another gallon to return the movie and make it home.
  22. I resemble that remark.....

    Yeah, I didn't even consider the gas & time to return the movie. Now, thinking of that, it becomes even more logical to rent online. Two gallons of gas pretty much covers the whole rental fee.
  23. I resemble that remark.....

    I think the last one around here closed about 5 years ago. My wife and I were talking the other day and Redbox may be on the way out for us too. Even though Netflix, Amazon, Hulu and others charge $4.99 for a movie rental it's probably worth it to us. We live 15 minutes from the nearest Redbox, so by the time you add 30 minutes of our time plus the gallon of gas round trip the $4.99 doesn't look quite as high.
  24. Wisdom Lovers United (or untied)

    Sorry, it double posted.