Pastor Dave

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  1. Not at all Pete. What I said was, There can be no transgression of the law until the law has been given.
  2. Ok, if that's how you choose to see it😁
  3. I have to disagree with you here brother. Without the study of the Hebrew (in most cases) it is possible for translators to be technically correct in their translation yet contextually inaccurate. While the English language contains maybe half a million words, Ancient Hebrew consists of less than nine thousand words. Words with multiple meanings are just more common in Hebrew. For me it seems that the more I learn about the Hebrew language the more I am able to understand the Bible. While I feel the KJV is a wonderful translation it is just a translation. I feel the same about several oth
  4. If that's how you choose to see it. Parashah 1: B’resheet (In the beginning) 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was unformed and void Maybe it simply means God created everything that is. Light was created during the first yom Therefore, panspermia. I based my statement only on what I saw and heard when I watched the channel. Perhaps we have different definitions of what antisemitism consists of. I see statements by many Christian leaders as being antisemitic. Some of the mor
  5. The Bible tells us........ ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, My observation............ The last sentence of this scripture tells us that thi
  6. The Bible tells us........ ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth
  7. The Bible tells us........ ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth (Age). Science tells us....
  8. The Bible tells us........ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: a
  9. The Bible tells us........ ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so. And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itse
  10. Moving on .... The Bible tells us........ ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament {atmosphere} in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament {atmosphere}, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament {sky} from the waters which [were] above the firmament {sky}: and it was so. And God called the firmament{sky} Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second (Age). Science tells us....... It is thought that the creation of the Earth's early atmosphere was due to the late buildup of meteorites a
  11. Moving past 1:1 let me make a few more observations on what the Bible says about the creation. The Bible tells us........ .And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Science tells us....... Just after the big bang all of the matter in the universe floated in the darkness.. As the Universe expanded, and thus cooled, matter began to coalesce into gas clouds, and then stars and planets. My observation........
  12. You have me slightly bewildered this time RabbiO. Usually when you point out that our English translations may not reflect the Hebrew accurately I am able to find some alternate reading to help me understand what could have been translated differently. Even the OJB and the CJB (both Messianic translations, I admit, still Jewish translations) start with In the beginning So I went to my Strong's Hebrew concordance and this is what I find; Genesis 1:1 (Hebrew) beginning: 7225 re'shiyth ray-sheeth': from the same as 7218; the first, in place, time, order or rank (specifically
  13. Hmmm, where to go with this one? I'm glad to see you are at least open to the possibility of other meanings Dan. Arnold Murry, I remember when I had Dish network as my television provider Arnold Murry had the Shepard's Chapel channel. I tried to watch it a few times as I like to have multiple views to compare. I was never able to watch that channel for very long at a time. Whether it was Pastor Murry himself or other speakers on the channel I always got the impression that these would be the religious leaders one might find at a ** rally or some other white supremacis
  14. Since most of us o not read or speak Biblical Hebrew we have to work through translations. A large part of translating is choosing the best word from the new language to use. Sometimes the language being translated to does not have a single word that means exactly the same thing as the original language. My favorite example of this is the Hebrew word shalom. Most English translations use peace, but shalom means so much more. Interpretation will always be needed also because if I tell ten people the same story with the exact same words we would likely get ten different views when they are asked
  15. Is science moving back to the steady state theory? I hadn't heard that before. We may understand the big bang theory a little differently. My understanding of the Big Bang Theory is that the entire universe (not just our galaxy or each individual galaxy) came into being when some unknown force (which we won't, for any reason, call or attribute, to any God) caused the entire universe to expand from a singularity not a "massive" black hole. "The entirety of our universe was compressed into the confines of an atomic nucleus. Known as a singularity, this is the moment before the "Big
  16. Sorry folks, I had internet problems Friday and a very busy weekend. It looks like not much progress has been made in going through the Genesis account of creation. I'll try to move thing forward a little if I can. First let me make a few responses. I believe that to be The Living Bible translation. Although I do not use that translation much when studying the Bible I can certainly see your point. Agreed!
  17. I'm not telling you to stop believing in the six literal days of creation Dan. Twenty years ago I could argue 24 hour days as well as anyone. I suppose I still could. Coolhand was asking for exegesis of Genesis. I'm just trying to give him one that might be less mainstream. Yes I also used to use 2 Peter when I first got away from the 6 24 hour days. I'm not trying to convince anyone that how I see Genesis 1 is the only way that could be right. Just wanted to put a less talked about possibility out there to think about.😁
  18. Yes, science is generally known for finally admitting when a previous theory is proven to be false ... Usually years and years later, sometimes decades pass before new theories are accepted. But hey, at least they usually, eventually become accepted. I understand that you feel the need for compelling evidence in order to believe in God. That's fine with me. I would enjoy being the person who presents you with that compelling evidence though, I don't think it's likely to happen in this thread.
  19. Thanks for your acknowledgement of the possibility of the days not having to be 24 hour days.😎 I'm not quite to the fourth day yet. Hopefully we will be able to get there though .😌 😁
  20. For example, the first three words of the Bible state, in the beginning. Up until the early 20th century the best minds in science were adamant that the universe had no beginning nor would it have an end. It was known as the steady state theory. After Einstein's equations on general relativity were discovered George Lemaitre proposed, in 1927, an expanding model for the universe to explain the observed redshifts with spiral nebulae and calculated the Hubble law leading us to the big bang theory. After three and a half millennia science finally caught up to the Bible saying that the
  21. Ok Coolhand, let me start by saying, I see Genesis 1 as a best explanation of how the universe began to a man 3500 years ago. Men who did not have the knowledge that we have accumulated over time. I was once taught that when looking at scripture, if a text can be looked at from more than 1 perspective, it should be. All possible views should be examined, and the most likely or most reasonable understanding should be given the most validity. The first thing I think we should discuss is the use of the word Yom. The Hebrew word Yom has multiple meanings. While it is tradit
  22. The real question to me is, who exactly is this money owed to?