Jonathan H. B. Lobl

What do you mean a constant state -- ? Are you under the impression, that I care whether or not God exists? That I'm searching for an answer? No. I'm not searching. It doesn't matter. I don't care. I didn't think that even you, could be confused by Apatheism. I see that I was mistaken.

Senility? We can add forgetfulness to the list of attributes.

Anything is possible. About a year ago, in one of the threads -- Dan said that he was a "Free Thinker".

This is what Genesis has to say about the rainbow. From this, we can see that the rainbow flag would be the perfect symbol, for people who trust in the Bible. A perfect expression of God's Love and His glorious covenant with Humanity. 🌈 🏳️‍🌈 🌈 🏳️‍🌈 Genesis 9:13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Genesis 9:14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Genesis 9:16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.” In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations 🏳️‍🌈 🌈 🏳️‍🌈

Is that why the mainstream Evangelical thought -- of which Ken Ham is typical -- is dominant? While your contention is minority? Of course the World was not destroyed by the Great Flood. That is how we are here now -- to discuss it. That is another reason why I don't take Genesis seriously. I read the Book. I see how mainline Evangelicals understand the Book. They are all over You Tube. Do you want links? They have their own explanations about how this happened. They explain their interpretations. They are the mainstream of Evangelical thought. Your minority opinion does not concern me. You have been clear all along, that your beliefs are more important to you than facts. It's too late now, to appeal to reality. Your cherry picking has become tedious. I'm tired of you making things up as you go along.

Yes.

Yes. I saw it. Did you see my comment about the flag?

Of course. The Polar ice caps are melting. It's time to stop burning coal. Any serious Fundamentalist will remind us of the rainbow. God put the rainbow in the sky -- as a promise that the world would not drown again. Maybe the Fundamentalists should start flying the rainbow flag.

Yes. It is interesting. You'll note that this is about sea level rising. Heavy debate is still going on about the location of Atlantis, which has it's own mythology. Sea level rise is still a hot issue. Over in Italy, Venice is slowly submerging. In America, Florida is slowly drowning. Along with other areas of America. Various islands all over the world are going through this. Of course, Fundamentalists don't want to hear about climate change.

Dan thinks that we are his polar opposite. He takes a position based on blind faith. He imagines that we have taken the opposite position -- based on blind faith. I know. It's silly of me to keep going. I keep promising myself that I'll stop. It's hard to let go.

This is true, most believe it was a worldwide flood, but I don't. I read the Book. The Book says it was a world wide flood. That's my thinking, a worldwide flood would have destroyed everything. When something seems illogical, its usually being misinterpreted. When something is illogical, it is often not true at all. Yes. If that silly story had been true, the World would have been destroyed -- and we would not be talking about it. I conclude from this that the story is not true. I further conclude that Scripture is not true.

I have to keep reminding myself that when you say God -- you mean your God. Alright then. Does God exist? I don't know. I don't care. God might exist. God might not exist. I don't know. I don't care. Does life exist on other worlds? I don't know. As yet, there is no evidence. I await further developments. It's interesting without being urgent. I can wait. Which part of this is a double standard?

Reasonable doubt? Think of the endless bog. Rotting vegetation. Dead animals bloating in the Sun. Deep mud. Everywhere. Think of the stench. What did they eat? Agriculture wouldn't work. The land has been soaked in salt water. No hunting for food. No live animals. For that matter -- no shelter. All the wood is rotten. The trees have all drowned. The grass is dead. There are no living roots. Mud slides, everywhere. When things do dry out -- it's dust bowl time. When the mountains are under water -- the ecco system dies.

Tell a Fundamentalist that there is no God. what happens next? The standard challenge. How do you know? Did you search the entire Universe for God? It's the usual double standard. I'm used to it.

A tribal god.

Of course not. It's such badly written, implausible, fiction. The hard part is taking any of it seriously. All those animals. Think of the tons of poop. Think of the methane gas. All of them peeing. The food storage. The water storage. It's all so silly.

I don't know who said it. "God is like a mirror. The mirror never changes, but everyone who looks into it will see something different."

You really are making this up as you go. Why the Ark? All animal life had to be saved from destruction -- for a strictly local disaster? I think Ken Ham and his A.I.G. (answers in Genesis) does a better job of speaking for main line Evangelicals. Your view is minority.

The possibility of ancient life on Mars is interesting. Note the word. Interesting. I have not wrapped my life around it. It's not my religion. I'm waiting for further developments. This has nothing to do with faith. An Intelligent Designer is not beyond my comprehension. I understand the idea. I find the idea simplistic and silly. Is it possible that you can't distinguish between microbial life and "little green men"? Maybe such a distinction is beyond your capacity. This distinction is worth making, even if you don't understand the difference. Yes. I do think that you're gullible. You did ask. The investigation, into the possibility, of life on Mars is just that. An investigation. You really can't tell the difference, between an investigation and religion? Seriously?

Let us speak plainly. Dan is a Creationist. Dan is not interested in Science. Dan is concerned with Genesis. If life shows up on Mars -- even extinct microbial life -- it casts doubt on the need for Special Creation. Life arising on Mars, means that life could arise here. Without God. Remember. For Dan, it's all about his religion. You or I, would say that we doubt scientific findings. Dan said that he doesn't believe them. This nuance is beyond Dan. It's not beyond your understanding. Dan is afraid. Allow me to connect the dots. If life can arise without God, the story of Adam and Eve falls into doubt. After all, Adam shows up in the sixth day of this account. So does Eve. Without a literal, historic, Adam and Eve, there is no Fall. No Original sin. Without Original Sin, there is nothing to be Saved from. No need for a Savior. No need for the sacrifice of the Christ. No need to be washed in the Blood of the Lamb. Now then. Dan. This is for you. There is nothing, anywhere in the Bible -- that states that God did not create life elsewhere in the Cosmos. From the standpoint of your faith -- the Universe could be full of life that God created. The Bible is simply silent on that point. C. S. Lewis, the great Protestant theologian and apologist, had much to say on this topic. Lewis put forth the opinion, that if there are other beings in the Cosmos -- that they would not have inherited the sin of Adam and Eve. Lewis further suggests, that the vast space between solar systems, could be God's spiritual quarantine. In this manner, the fallen worlds would not be able to contaminate the worlds where no Fall had taken place. Lewis further suggests, that each fallen world could have it's own separate plan for salvation. So relax. Even in Genesis, the stars are called -- the "Host of Heaven". You have nothing to fear from possible remnants of life on Mars. Or elsewhere. Your religion is not so fragile as you seem to think.

It's worse than that. All the waters of the world did a mix and mingle. All the fresh water fish died, when exposed to salt water. Ocean fish did no better. Salinity, water pressure, ph levels, temperature, etc. all changed. All ocean life died. What did the trees and grasses of the world do? Why did the trees have to die? All land based plant life everywhere drowned. In salt water. Say good bye to the oxygen -- carbon dioxide cycle. The entire planet died. Not that the people in China and India noticed anything unusual. Written records going back over 10,000 years, record normal events. There is no mention of a great flood or disastrous rain. It's almost as though these events didn't happen.

That works, if you want to give God a pathetic Human mind. As in -- What did God know and when did God know it? You really are making this up as you go. All Knowing means -- All Knowing. God would know in advance, that God is going to have a change of mind. That means it's not really a change. Unless you want to insist that God can be surprised. Yes. There is Scripture that talks about God having regrets. Of God having a change of mind. These are examples of Scripture having contradictions. Another reason not to take Scripture seriously.

Belief is not relevant.

Well done.