Jonathan H. B. Lobl

It's so much worse. We have modern, eye witness accounts -- from living people -- who have spotted Elvis Presley walking around. Who insist that they have been abducted by alien space craft. Who have encountered the Loch Ness Monster. Who say that they have time traveled from the future. This is the modern world. Guess what? People don't rush to investigate. Because it's silly. They know it's silly and they have better things to do, than get lost in rumor mongering. Two thousand years ago, was it different?

This nonsense about Bible evidence is continuing. Dan is comparing courtroom testimony to Scripture. Maybe if the testimony were from unknown witnesses. If the alleged witness were giving testimony, to things that happened before their birth. If the testimony, over centuries, changed with translations. If fraudulent detail had been mixed in, after the fact. Of course, the witnesses -- long dead and unidentified --would not be available for questioning.

I have wasted a lot of effort, trying to explain these distinctions to you. I finally understand that you don't care at all, about any beliefs or understanding, except your own. So, screw it. I don't care that you don't understand the meaning of Atheism. I don't care that you don't understand the meaning of Agnosticism. I truly don't care that you don't understand Apatheism. Every idea filters through your belief system. I give up.

I don't particularly care about your views on why you believe in nothing either,

, "And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh." (Genesis 9:15) Thank you for pointing this out. The flood was not local. It was world wide.

Yes.

No point at all. Dan thinks that science is our religion.

Evidence that requires belief.

Welcome to the happy world of Apatheism. I get it. There comes a time when we need the company of adults.

Uh-huh I don't. I don't worship any God at all.

Possibly. This section is for inspiration. Will your story inspire? Nobody wants to step on your enjoying the board. Relax and join in.

I missed that.

This is nothing new. Dan thinks that faith is evidence.

Such is the faith driven mind. You and I can read the Bible -- and know what it says. Dan reads the Bible -- and believes that he knows what it means. It's way too late to bring logic into this. Reason will not prevail. Faith and Belief over all. Dan will not compromise. He can't. You know. All in or all out. Everything or nothing. No nuances. No distinctions. Since he doesn't want to join us in the Lake of Fire -- that's it.

That's not what it says. The words are what they are. Not what you want them to be.

Anything?

When evidence requires belief, it's not evidence.

It's Dan.

Yes. These arguments have become both silly and tedious. It's not worth it. We quote the Bible. We don't have the right understanding. We quote science. It doesn't count. I can't do it any more.

That is what the Book says. Not what you want it to say. Not good enough? You're making crap up as you go.

Genesis 9:16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.” In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Hello Dan.

Thank you for the effort. This is futile. Dan makes no distinctions. It's his truth or it's a lie. Still, I didn't think that even he would be confused by Apatheism. I was mistaken. The idea is beyond his capacity. Along with other ideas like facts, evidence and science. Enough. It's time to let go.