VonNoble Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 Instinctively we assess survival risks, calculate danger and threats. Laws of society/ culture establish norms. We evaluate prices, time expenditures, and other people using acquired information and experience filters. Can judgement be taught? Legislated? Weaponized? von Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, VonNoble said: Instinctively we assess survival risks, calculate danger and threats. Laws of society/ culture establish norms. We evaluate prices, time expenditures, and other people using acquired information and experience filters. Can judgement be taught? Legislated? Weaponized? von Evidently, yes. We call it "education". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, VonNoble said: Instinctively we assess survival risks, calculate danger and threats. Laws of society/ culture establish norms. We evaluate prices, time expenditures, and other people using acquired information and experience filters. Can judgement be taught? Legislated? Weaponized? von Another word for "judgement" is bias. So, yes, in many instances it is taught, everywhere, at all times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonNoble Posted June 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 Jonathan H. b. Lobl, your answer = education Key, Judgement equal bias. I thank you both. When a disaster occurs, and I am unfamiliar with the area, I may run without knowing which way is the safest. In fear, might run along side anyone I assess to look like they know what they are doing. Short of a disaster where survival could over-ride bias and education. Are we educated to have bias? Whom or what drives learned judgment and bias? von Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 16 hours ago, VonNoble said: Jonathan H. b. Lobl, your answer = education Key, Judgement equal bias. I thank you both. When a disaster occurs, and I am unfamiliar with the area, I may run without knowing which way is the safest. In fear, might run along side anyone I assess to look like they know what they are doing. Short of a disaster where survival could over-ride bias and education. Are we educated to have bias? Whom or what drives learned judgment and bias? von I'm plodding my way through John. It's boring and tedious and I keep falling asleep. It's like literary chloroform. So far, I have not found anything, that has anything, to do with reality. I have not yet found a reason to care about any of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, VonNoble said: Jonathan H. b. Lobl, your answer = education Key, Judgement equal bias. I thank you both. When a disaster occurs, and I am unfamiliar with the area, I may run without knowing which way is the safest. In fear, might run along side anyone I assess to look like they know what they are doing. Short of a disaster where survival could over-ride bias and education. Are we educated to have bias? Whom or what drives learned judgment and bias? von In fear, you may not be assessing anything, necessarily. Rather, you may be allowing your instinctual "flight or fight" response take over. In which case, nothing is learned until after your survival as to whether it was the ideal action to take. (Basically, as you state here.) Herd instinct is to run from a predatory element en masse. So as to reduce chance of of said element focusing on one single target within it, but rather on those outside of the herd. Which doesn't always work with humans, as mass target is a greater effect of mass casualties, if that is what is wanted. Otherwise, education and bias are taught from norms established by interactions of immediate influencers, which can be family, friends, or society one lives in. Depending on outside influence via migration away or access to information outside of one's society may or may not change this. Thus, it is a constant learning process, as well as an issue of acceptance one way or the other. Edited June 9, 2020 by Key more thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Key said: In fear, you may not be assessing anything, necessarily. Rather, you may be allowing your instinctual "flight or fight" response take over. In which case, nothing is learned until after your survival as to whether it was the ideal action to take. (Basically, as you state here.) Otherwise, education and bias are taught from norms established by interactions of immediate influencers, which can be family, friends, or society one lives in. Depending on outside influence via migration away or access to information outside of one's society may or may not change this. Thus, it is a constant learning process, as well as an issue of acceptance one way or the other. Fear? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 Just now, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said: Fear? No. Care to elaborate the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 45 minutes ago, Key said: Care to elaborate the question? You asked. You seem to think that I'm afraid of something. Fight or flight? That this fear, is inhibiting my understanding, of this profound masterpiece of Godly information. No. I am amazed that this boring, tedious, drivel, is somehow supposed to change my life. That after I finish John -- My opinion will then be wanted. I'm less than halfway through. It keeps putting me to sleep. It's chloroform in print. What do you think that I'm afraid of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark 45 Posted June 9, 2020 Report Share Posted June 9, 2020 any smart human has some fears,but i'm not going to try to list them for anybody. can judgement be taught?i don't believe so,especially given our current government,and the jackass in chief. good to see you again von,it has been a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 On 6/9/2020 at 1:45 PM, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said: You asked. You seem to think that I'm afraid of something. Fight or flight? That this fear, is inhibiting my understanding, of this profound masterpiece of Godly information. No. I am amazed that this boring, tedious, drivel, is somehow supposed to change my life. That after I finish John -- My opinion will then be wanted. I'm less than halfway through. It keeps putting me to sleep. It's chloroform in print. What do you think that I'm afraid of? Nope. I had no inkling that you had fear of something. Although, I do believe we all do. Myself, included. I had more in mind in asking why you posted fear as a question in response to my comment. Thought you might have had some insight to share. I'm no mind reader, Jonathan. And I'm more open minded to other views than some, I like to think. Frankly, I have no need to place reading John as a priority for me. So, if you had an opinion, share if you like, but I'm not the one asking for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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