Salvation for Fallen Humans & Fallen Angels (A Practical Guide)

[Child of God]

The following practice is based on the premise that in order for Christ’s redemptive work of salvation to be complete, and for Christ to be the Savior of all mankind, salvation must reach to all humans in all places of all times. And for God to be all in all, He must have the authority to save fallen angels as well.

 

In both, the Old Testament and New Testament, sin offerings were made for the atonement of sins.

 

Numbers 28:30. Include one male goat to make atonement for you.

 

Hebrews 5:3. And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.

 

The atonement of sins were made for people before the coming Messiah who were without Christ. And thus, the atonement of sins can be made for those in the afterlife who are also without Christ. Truths that applied to the people of this world can also be applied to the people of the invisible world.

 

Today, it is common practice for the dead in purgatory to obtain indulgence from God through the Catholic Church for remission of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven (C.C.C., X. Indulgences). So, in other words, the Catholic Church intervenes for the individual by asking God, who stores up our good works, to apply some of them in lieu of punishment due to sins. But these indulgences are limited to those who die in the communion of saints – the faithful dead only.

 

The Churches fail to teach the complete redemptive work of Christ. Salvation must reach to all humans and fallen angels in all places of all times.

 

Mark 16:15. He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.”

 

We must learn to search scripture with the loving heart of Jesus.

 

Lamentations 3:31-30. For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone.

 

Jesus descended into hell for three days to deliver the faithful dead with His sacrificial blood atonement.

 

1 Peter 4:6. For this reason the gospel was preached also to the dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in spirit.

 

Jesus now holds the keys to death and Hades. The fallen humans and angels in hell can be saved. Otherwise, the redemptive work of Christ would not be complete and we fall short of the glory of God.

 

Revelations 1:18. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

 

One of the attributes of God is that He goes unchanging. And Jesus would still hold the keys of death and Hades. He would still be salvaging and delivering the souls of the underworld. This is the one true Son of God. This is the Jesus, Christians and others should get to know.

 

Our good works can be offered up to Christ as atonement for the sins of those in the netherworld. Atonement is necessary because they are the fallen. This completes the work of salvation. To say otherwise, is to cut short the redemptive work of Christ.

 

2 Maccabees 12:46. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

 

It is all the same for God to free prisoners in this world from their captives as it is for Christ to free prisoners from their captives in the spirit world.

 

Zechariah 9:11. As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit.

 

And Christ will free prisoners in hell through you because of the blood of the covenant He has with you. This is a blessing bestowed upon us by our Lord.

 

And, it is by the power of the Son of God that salvation is carried out.

 

1 Corinthians 1:18. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

 

Let’s not fail to see the significance of being able to offer up our goods works as atonement for the sins of the lost souls in hell. Your fallen family, friends, strangers and even angels without God can have their souls restored (salvaged) by the divine power of Christ and be with God, Jesus, the angels, family and friends in heaven. One must be in good standing with God and have the door closed to all unhealthy spirits before atonement will be accepted. Although, atonement is required of us for the forgiveness of the sins of those in hell, it is by the Lord’s sacrifice that the souls of the dead can be salvaged and that heaven and hell are open. Glory goes to Father God and His Son, Jesus Christ. It is a privilege to partake in the heavenly family business of salvation and an even greater honor to work so closely with Father God and Christ in salvaging souls.

 

1 Corinthians 15:19. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

 

Jesus is mighty to save and He will stretch His staff down to the very depths of hell to save souls.

 

What I say is true, it has been revealed to me by both Jesus Christ (Son of God) and Father God.

 

1 Thessalonians 5:19-21. Do not quench the Spirit. Do not treat prophecies with contempt but test them all; hold on to what is good,

 

In conclusion, this, my friends, is the most loving thing you can do for these poor, lost souls. And, may God bless you for such an undertaking.

Edited January 31, 2019 by Child of God

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

It's a kind theology.  I can't agree with it; but the thought is much appreciated.

 

 

[cuchulain]

I appreciate a positive spin on mythology.  Its good to be able to learn from such, but i prefer the example of the devil in showing self thought, and rebellion against the oppressive regime.

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

2 hours ago, cuchulain said:

I appreciate a positive spin on mythology.  Its good to be able to learn from such, but i prefer the example of the devil in showing self thought, and rebellion against the oppressive regime.

 

 

Years ago, in New York City, there was -- "The Process Church of the Final Judgement".  They wore crosses with a serpent wrapped around them.    Fun times.          Novel teachings     

 

 

Edited February 2, 2019 by Jonathan H. B. Lobl

[Child of God]

Sarcasm aside, the opening post came to me through my personal relationship with Father God, His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit (see: True Story of Christ & Salvation ). I have provided scripture and thoughtful insight to support my personal revelations and my faith.

 

I would like to share with you an Ancient Homily that was read for Holy Saturday…the day Jesus had died on the cross. I do hope you enjoy it as much as I have.

 

The Lord’s descent into hell

 

“What is happening? Today there is a great silence over the earth, a great silence, and stillness, a great silence because the King sleeps; the earth was in terror and was still, because God slept in the flesh and raised up those who were sleeping from the ages. God has died in the flesh, and the underworld has trembled.

 

Truly he goes to seek out our first parent like a lost sheep; he wishes to visit those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death. He goes to free the prisoner Adam and his fellow-prisoner Eve from their pains, he who is God, and Adam’s son.

 

The Lord goes in to them holding his victorious weapon, his cross. When Adam, the first created man, sees him, he strikes his breast in terror and calls out to all: ‘My Lord be with you all.’ And Christ in reply says to Adam: ‘And with your spirit.’ And grasping his hand he raises him up, saying: ‘Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give you light.

 

‘I am your God, who for your sake became your son, who for you and your descendants now speak and command with authority those in prison: Come forth, and those in darkness: Have light, and those who sleep: Rise.

 

‘I command you: Awake, sleeper, I have not made you to be held a prisoner in the underworld. Arise from the dead; I am the life of the dead. Arise, O man, work of my hands, arise, you who were fashioned in my image. Rise, let us go hence; for you in me and I in you, together we are one undivided person.

 

‘For you, I your God became your son; for you, I the Master took on your form; that of slave; for you, I who am above the heavens came on earth and under the earth; for you, man, I became as a man without help, free among the dead; for you, who left a garden, I was handed over to Jews from a garden and crucified in a garden.

 

‘Look at the spittle on my face, which I received because of you, in order to restore you to that first divine inbreathing at creation. See the blows on my cheeks, which I accepted in order to refashion your distorted form to my own image.

 

‘See the scourging of my back, which I accepted in order to disperse the load of your sins which was laid upon your back. See my hands nailed to the tree for a good purpose, for you, who stretched out your hand to the tree for an evil one.

 

`I slept on the cross and a sword pierced my side, for you, who slept in paradise and brought forth Eve from your side. My side healed the pain of your side; my sleep will release you from your sleep in Hades; my sword has checked the sword which was turned against you.

 

‘But arise, let us go hence. The enemy brought you out of the land of paradise; I will reinstate you, no longer in paradise, but on the throne of heaven. I denied you the tree of life, which was a figure, but now I myself am united to you, I who am life. I posted the cherubim to guard you as they would slaves; now I make the cherubim worship you as they would God.

 

“The cherubim throne has been prepared, the bearers are ready and waiting, the bridal chamber is in order, the food is provided, the everlasting houses and rooms are in readiness; the treasures of good things have been opened; the kingdom of heaven has been prepared before the ages.”

 

Source: Ancient Homily for Holy Saturday: PG 43, 440A, 452C: LH, Holy Saturday, OR.

 

Source approved by the Vatican of the Roman Catholic Church.

[cuchulain]

I wasn't being sarcastic.  I think all mythology can be learned from, whether christian, hindu, muslim, or satanic.

 

But take it literally?  Not for me.  At least, not without real proof.  I seem to recall having this conversation before with you...and am still wondering if those angels ever told you the verse i wrote down?  Guessing...not.

[Child of God]

Thank you for your candour.

[cuchulain]

I might be annoying at times, but always honest at the least. 

[mark 45]

i agree with you there.

[cuchulain]

can you clarify?  Agree with who?  Are you agreeing that I might be annoying at times?  Are you agreeing that I am honest?  Or are you agreeing with something I said previous to that post, or to something Child of God said?

[mark 45]

sorry.i was agreeing with you being honest.should have said so.

 

and we can all be annoying at times 😀

[cuchulain]

13 hours ago, mark 45 said:

sorry.i was agreeing with you being honest.should have said so.

 

and we can all be annoying at times 😀

It's alright.  I was being humorous, but the internet doesn't exactly make that clear, eh?  Sometimes it is that I forget how the buttons mash up together...and come out with a serious face, lol.

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

14 minutes ago, cuchulain said:

It's alright.  I was being humorous, but the internet doesn't exactly make that clear, eh?  Sometimes it is that I forget how the buttons mash up together...and come out with a serious face, lol.

 

 

     Nuance does get lost.

 

 

[Key]

4 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

 

 

     Nuance does get lost.

 

 

Who is he? 😉

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

55 minutes ago, Key said:

Who is he? 😉

 

 

When Fate, had a date with Destiny, Nuance was their love child.  He finds his parents overly strict, so he keeps wandering off.  Nuance does indeed get lost.

 

 

The goddess, Apathea, is the personification of Apathy.

The god, Procrastus, is the personification of Procrastination.

What happens when Apathea mates with Procrastus?  We may never find out.

 

 

 

I'm on a roll!  No, wait.  In a jam?  No.  In a pickle?  No.  In a whale?  No.  That was Jonah.

 

 

Back to the thread.  Thread?  Am I keeping you in stitches?

 

 

 

Edited February 6, 2019 by Jonathan H. B. Lobl

[cuchulain]

How are we supposed to find Nuance, when so many people have trouble finding Jesus?  And I didn't even know we were looking for him...

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

32 minutes ago, cuchulain said:

How are we supposed to find Nuance, when so many people have trouble finding Jesus?  And I didn't even know we were looking for him...

 

 

When you want to find the unfindable; look under your bed.  It won't be there, but when you finish looking, you'll have a clean place to sleep.

 

 

While you're at it, feel free to join the search for Happiness.  It's actually a Constitutional right to engage in that search.

 

 

Personally, I'm looking for Equilibrium.

 

 

Searching for your life's purpose is also a popular pass time.  

 

 

I've tried looking for God.  What a waste of time that was.  Nothing but false sightings and rumors.

 

 

They do say that memory is the first thing to go.  I'm sorry.  What was the question?

 

 

 

 

Edited February 6, 2019 by Jonathan H. B. Lobl

[Key]

On 2/6/2019 at 1:16 PM, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

 

 

When you want to find the unfindable; look under your bed.  It won't be there, but when you finish looking, you'll have a clean place to sleep.

 

 

While you're at it, feel free to join the search for Happiness.  It's actually a Constitutional right to engage in that search.

 

 

Personally, I'm looking for Equilibrium.

 

 

Searching for your life's purpose is also a popular pass time.  

 

 

I've tried looking for God.  What a waste of time that was.  Nothing but false sightings and rumors.

 

 

They do say that memory is the first thing to go.  I'm sorry.  What was the question?

 

 

 

 

Umm...no. If I'm searching, things get messy.

But that's okay, as I'm told that messiness is a sign of a genius. (Not necessarily a stable one, though. 😉)

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

1 hour ago, Key said:

Umm...no. If I'm searching, things get messy.

But that's okay, as I'm told that messiness is a sign of a genius. (Not necessarily a stable one, though. 😉)

 

 

That depends.  There is static stability, which is death.  There is dynamic equilibrium, which is life.

 

     

 

 

[Child of God]

Ask yourselves this one question; if I wanted someone out of hell, how could it be done? Well, we know people are in hell because their sins have not been forgiven. They were not covered by Christ's sacrificial blood atonement.

If we look at both, the old and new testaments, we can see sin offerings being made for people other than ourselves.

Numbers 28:30. Include one male goat to make atonement for you.

Hebrews 5:3. This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people.

And if we look in the book of Maccabees, we can see atonement being made for those in the afterlife.

2 Maccabees 12:46. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

Today, in the Catholic Church, good works are being used as atonement for those who died in mortal sin.

I reiterate, "It is all the same for God to free prisoners in this world from their captives as it is for Christ to free prisoners from their captives in the spirit world."

Zechariah 9:11. As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit.

"And Christ will free prisoners in hell through you because of the blood of the covenant He has with you. This is a blessing bestowed upon us by our Lord."

Edited March 14, 2019 by Child of God