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There is as much evidence that you have Dan as there is for Venusians living on venus.

I know. However I was referring to lots of illogical beliefs. If it cannot be supported by some evidence then why do people believe these things? You sound weary Jonathan.

I gave up using a capital letter for the bible ages ago as I did not believe it merits recognition.

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2017/05/alternative-facts

What is it that makes a person continue to believe something despite all the evidence to the contri.

Dan likes the bible and quotes from it. It is meaningless unless one agrees with his belief and his interpretation of the bronze age script. The only evidence for there being a god or had anything to do with the book comes from the book. Any logic that does not take as read in the book will not accept there is any proof that there is a god or the bible is anything more than the uttering of the bronze age perception of things. Like the saying goes - you don't have to be mad to believe this but it certainly helps. I would be interested if there was a shadow of evidence that did not require accepting the book, but alas there is not.

What part of scripture did a deity write . Nothing . Just because those who wrote it said their dirty led them to write it does not mean it is true and especially when one cannot prove the deity exists in the first place. If you kill because a book told one too and you did not use your own gumption, then in my view you are guilty.

The question is what choice did you get. I know a Polish man who fought reluctantly for Germany in WW2. When captured he fought for the Allies. The choice he was given by the Germans was enlist by the end of the week or we arrest your family, parents, wife and children. Is he guilty? I find that hard to accept. Likewise with you it was pay your taxes or go to jail and your loved ones suffer.

Killing all the first born. Is that killing the guilty. As for picking out verses to justify a bias I think you are very guilty of that. Your god is not righteous or loving.

I don't care if someone believes in the tooth fairy or father Christmas. There is no evidence for either that is not man made. Mankind makes gods and mystic theories. Yet, when it is suggested that I should accept either as fact or bad things will happen then I think it is time for the shrink to call. The thing about a religion which is also based on mysticism is that without the intervention and activity of man it does not exist. Religion is a mass adoption of a mystic explanation that if it was just adopted by one then they would be treated for schizophrenia. Mankind made the tooth fairy, father Christmas, and gods for which there is no other evidence for.

If it is reasonable possibility that God exists then without quoting from the bronze age book of dubious roots and explanations, one shred of evidence that the only explanation for it is a god.

Evolution is both fact and theory. Fact in the sense it is still going on and new spcies are evolving today. It is also a working theory as no scientific evidence can improve upon it. There is no credible scientific support creationism and it cannot be used in scientific study. In science terms creationism is not a working theory and is no more than a religious assertion with no supporting scientific evidence. Quoting a mythical 2000 year old bronze age book is not deemed credible or scientific.. It is interesting only in terms of understanding what people believed back then. Their ignorance can be forgiven because they knew no better. Modern day creationism is just nonsense and totally unscientific.

That was a criticism of Stalin. Today I don't see any attempt to say we are equal. Its all I have more money and power than you so your trash. That seems true in Russia and the USA or the UK.for that matter. 😮 It seems our evolution has gone backwards. Any one here think Putin, Trump or Boris would cross the road to help you should you need it. I don't.

Yet, that is the point. I only came up with this too respond to a particular fundamentalist. I don't want to start a new religion. The bible is full of ambiuitry. Who wrote the gospels is a difficult question as we really don't know as the names were added later. Paul the creator of Christianity rather than Jesus. Did Jesus exist. How does a god die and not be dead. Jesus god or man. These are all ambiguities that the church fought over. It stands to me that when he says we are secretly afraid of his mythology then what is the harm of throwing more mythology into the deck and threatening him with his own stupidity.

Well the being did not reveal its self to me personally but I am sure it did to someone in history. Therefore it must be real. As for gowns I suppose I would go with sky blue with bright read hats. Perhaps we could also write an epistle or two as a basis of dogma or something to piss other religions off. 😁

I never said Athe was a god. Just a mystic spirit of the universe of none existence. I know that sounds cryptic but no more so than christianity.

I have just invented a being called Athe. If christians do not become Atheists then they will be doomed to eternal punishment. If they preach against Athe then they are to be met by their accusers who they misled forever. Although Dan will deny it I bet he is secretly afraid. 😃

The UK is to start fining people who go for unnecessary trips out of doors. If you cannot prove your buying food, going to a chemist or your a key worker then you can be fined. I know this is about the corona virus but I wonder how long it will be before its done for other reasons.

I know he is a stubborn pest. Like unto a fly in the ice cream. Full of his own importance and lack of reason or understanding, and thinking he is clever.

Your faith creates a hell and then you threaten people with it. You think we are scared of your myth. No! Find someone who gives a damn about your made up mythic realms. I just wish you would listen but you persist with what others see as stupidity. Dan your full of BGS in the Irish terms.

Firstly I don't believe there is a hell. I believe it is a Christian invention to threaten and control people. Then there is the problem as to whether or not the bible contains any truth at all. I doubt it does. He mentioned near death experience but omits to mention that people have experiences according to their belief structure. During the process of death the brain produces a large amount of endorphins and the person is just tripping on that endorphin. Therefore it is no proof of anything. Then there is a moral arguement. If for arguments sake a god exists then to hold a grudge and punish someone for eternity is neither justice or moral. So the central goal of faith is not love. It is hate of human frailty. So take your threats and shove them up your a....e.😠

I get that and when I was working there were times I did not want calls so I turned it off and left it at home.

It is becoming a frightening world. I am not sure about the biometrics identifying people. As a nurse I used to take and record many of these a day. A person can vary a lot. I have blood pressure problems and take meds. It can vary between 130/80 to 200+/110. My pulse also varies between 70 to 110 and occasionally I get ectopic beats.

Trump was the the one claiming to be the most intelligent man in the world. As for spain. Pick up an old mobile to go out with. Something that uses only data on the phone or leave it at home on the cats collar. That said a man passed my wife who is 70 and talked loudly on his mobile and said that he had the virus and therefore would not be into work. I just hope my wife has not caught anything. Her chest is not good.

I doubt you will return Rabbio as you usually pop in and then disappear. As I see it there is brutality in the law. It is being promoted as gods law and that it is hallowed. Now you may disagree but burning wayward daughters of priests, killing none virgin brides, killing your own children because they have differing religion or have been abusive to their parents, stoning gay people, slaughtering neighbouring towns because someone from that town preached a differing religion, and I could go on. Whether you do that or not nowadays is not the point as it is still described as gods perfect law. It is brutal and I make no apology for that.