cuchulain

How do you learn Christian beliefs? Oh yeah...your environmental upbringing.

We act based on genetics and environment both of which God controls absolutely. You know the all powerful bit? Then our free will must by definition be illusion. Meaning God set it up entirely

God being all powerful and knowing means he set the circumstances up in the first place for there to be no solution.

People will believe any nonsense because they want it to be true or they fear it is true. The only counter to this principle is awareness that we are all susceptible to it and vigilance.

Rambling doesn't transmit information well. Could you write more coherent strings? Then we can properly discuss our points

I can debate freely. You have no power to stop my freedom of speech. I have not attacked you. Merely debated your perspective.

No. I just want them to know that I see through the game and I don't buy it.

Your freedom of religion shouldn't allow you to impact my freedom. If your God exists and he gave us all free will then who are you to deny me what your God gave?

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Stoics admit they are prone to human error the same as any other person. You are correct in your observations. I have a natural tendency to believe the best in people so I often find myself in this argument with Dan believing he is capable of learning. I admit I am in error and will attempt to steer clear in the future of this circular trap.

Your right. He argued that love really meant faith.

Alright. If it's easy to prove an untruth...prove to me that there aren't little green men on the moon who are really good at hiding.

Revelation would be a miracle. This is after the time of Christ. You have previously said there have been no miracles after the time of Christ. Also wouldn't the compilation of the modern Bible be a revelation as well? Well after the time of Christ?

No. I simply have a higher standard for proof than 'it was written down long ago after the facr as prophecy, so it must have been true'.

So...you have the originals of the gospels available as proof of when they were written? Astonishing. See, i know you think they were written in contemporary timing to christ. But you take that on faith and dress it as fact. You can argue as you wish about the gospels, but there isnt evidence that they were written by who they claim, let alone when. So no, you dont have multiple witnesses.

How many people reported it? What is your source? When were these reports written? That about caesar is diversionary. I dont believe you can prove the sources youve stated exist and are authentic.

Prove it was accurately reported.

So then some guys wrote down that particular piece as a fulfillment of prophecy that they had previously studied? Yeah that's called confirmation bias. They wrote in support of a specific agenda. But if you have evidence of someone without any agenda confirming this as history then we'll talk.

I've noticed when you cite prophecy you never quote word for word. Is that because it's so easy to see it's not as specific as you seem to believe?

I wasn't specifically saying religious people. I meant people in general are stupid. Obviously there are exceptions, but few and far between. Creating something of worth doesn't negate a persons stupidity. People will believe all sorts of nonsense even and maybe especially if they have an education. I'm not exempt from this either. I've discovered there are things I "know" that are false after all. So what do I know that is false that I have not discovered?

People are stupid. Their heads are full of tidbits facts and truths most of which are false, but they want to believe for whatever reason so they will use confirmation bias to sort through the supposed evidence and continue to hold false beliefs. Nobody is immune and all you can do is try to observe it in yourself and correct it as you go.

Ah yes. Now since you have no actual facts to back up your point of view there must be a deficiency in us making it so we won't believe your obvious evidence. It's everyone else isn't it dan

The analogy holds. Because if God created everything he also created this spiritual factor you speak of and it operates on rules he created and he knows how you will choose in advance. Liking or not liking a choice you don't have is irrelevant to freewill.

It is with God. Choice is determined by environmental factors and biology. God created all the factors involved and set up how they work. It's more like playing a game of cards where he designed the rules the cards and determined who gets what cards in advance. There is no chance involved. So there can only be very specific responses.

This is where you said God can change what may have been. Remember now? It allows you to change the rules to suit your view.