Bro. Hex

Thanks Fawz, Now that I know how hard it is, there is no way I am gonna' try it!

Hey Fawzo, You just said (and which happens to be true): "Some scribe changed ΘΣ to ΟΣ which look very much alike and it changed the whole meaning of the text " How did you do that? do you have access to a Greek alphabetic type-face??? I have many references for similar alterations that have been made to the scriptures over the centuries, but all of my references are "in books" (like that excellent example that you referenced, "Misquoting Jesus"). And being "in books", I have no way to cite them here on our forum, as I don't have a clue as to how to replicate the Greek characters "on the web".

Dan, since "you don't trust Origen", here's a question for you: Can you name "just one" of the Church Fathers from the Third Century, who you think was NOT a heretic, and who did NOT make additions or deletions as he pleased? Because if there wasn't a single trustworthy Church Father in the THIRD Century, then it is next to impossible for any Christian Scripture to have arrived in the FOURTH Century in an "unmolested" (uncorrupted) condition. We can forget about the SIXTEENTH Century "Textus Receptus", If nothing made it past Origen's "reach" (and his reach was considerable).

Why do you ask?

Do you always answer a question with a question?

I "might be right" about WHAT EXACTLY? I didn't say all that gibberish...you did. Don't try to put words into my mouth. It won't work, and I resent it. What I am saying is that thinking readers should be able to tell from that book's title that it isn't going to be a paean to fundamentalism. And criticizing it for not giving "equal treatment" to the fundamentalist point-of-view is just flat-out ridiculous.

All quite true, Pete. And I don't mean to quarrel with anything that you have said. My point was, that from the title alone, it is explicit that fundamentalism is something that the Bible ought to be saved from. One should not look at a book having such a title, and complain that this book isn't treating fundamentalism as a "good option". Well, OF COURSE it isn't...Read the darn TITLE!

I am not Pete, but "from the TITLE ALONE" (of his book: "Rescuing the Bible From Fundamentalism") it should be quite clear to EVERYONE that IT WAS NEVER HIS INTENT to "lay out the topic and allow the reader to decide". OF COURSE he is (by implication) criticizing the opposite viewpoint. THAT'S WHY HE WROTE THE BOOK!

Me too. I would like one, please. you will receive a PM with my e-mail address, and it will be obvious that it was from "Hexalpa".

Me too, Fawz, Sorry buddy.

All arguments are "weak" when they are about things that happened 2000 years ago.

Hey, He is really GOOD!

Thanks Pete, thanks Michael,your discussion of this got my attention, and I actually watched and listened to it. I love hearing Spong hold forth!

Gotta agree with The Fawz on this score.

I disagree. These are values that have been broadly supported by every Christian church that I have ever been affiliated with.

Hello Coolhand, I don't know why you are posting this "here". Most of us in this forum don't have eight to twelve years of "biblical" higher education, (nor would we want to have such). So most of us here are far too ignorant to understand your (rather arrogant) argument. Most of us are, however, quite capable of understanding what Bishop Shelby Spong (and Pete) are saying, and we have a somewhat higher opinion of what the "typical church goer" is capable of discussing intelligently. Why not post this opinion instead, on some other forum, where all the members are "Bible College people"? I am sure that they will be better able to relate to your point-of-view on this matter. I know that I, for one, am just too ignorant to "get it". Grace and Blessings, Hex

I have loved this song since the very first time I heard it... mid 1970s if I remeber correctly.

Scott, don't think that "you were in the wrong" for getting angry. You were not. Our emotions are not (directly) within our control. "Something" in that story elicited an emotional response from you. Try to discover "what it was" about the story that "got to you". Then mull over whether you "want" to feel angry about what you perceived. It may be that you will decide: "yes, I want to get upset over stuff like this. Stuff like this is important to me. I don't ever want to become complacent about encountering "X" in the world". Or you may decide otherwise. Don't criticize yourself for having feelings. It is what you do with those feelings that counts either for, or against you. It is what you do with those feelings that can change the world.

I am sorry for the travail of your sister, and her husband, Larry. I will most certainly keep all of you in my heart. May the peace that passes understanding be yours and theirs. Hex

"Amen" to what Rainbow said.

Happy Birthday, Mr. President!

Thanks, Fawzo, for an EXCELLENT LINK!

GROANNNNNNN... Alpaca you luggage, You afeta leavin town afta dat one!

You may have to send a PM to Rabbio, Pete. He "bowed out" on this thread a while back when it was getting fairly contentious.