Pete Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 “We have different cultures and religions, but we are brothers and we want to live in peace,” he said. “All of us, together: Muslims, Hindi, Catholics, Copts, Evangelicals, but brothers, children of the same God,” the Pope added. Pope Francis http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-washes-and-kisses-feet-of-muslim-hindu-and-christian-refugees-a6951771.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan56 Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 It also says: "The Pope denounced Tuesday’s terrorist attacks in Brussels as a “gesture of war”. So I doubt his comment was all-inclusive, it seems clear that Islamic terrorist aren't 'brothers' who want to live in peace.. I think the Pope was making a universal appeal for peace, but its also clear that the biblical God and Allah aren't the same God.. One God yes, but all brothers of the same God, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mererdog Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, Dan56 said: It also says: "The Pope denounced Tuesday’s terrorist attacks in Brussels as a “gesture of war”. So I doubt his comment was all-inclusive, it seems clear that Islamic terrorist aren't 'brothers' who want to live in peace.. I think the Pope was making a universal appeal for peace, but its also clear that the biblical God and Allah aren't the same God.. One God yes, but all brothers of the same God, no. Judging Allah and Muslims by the actions of Islamist terrorists is exactly as honest, fair, and useful as judging the biblical God and Christians by the Spanish Inquisition. Edited March 29, 2016 by mererdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokigami Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 On 3/29/2016 at 3:09 AM, Dan56 said: It also says: "The Pope denounced Tuesday’s terrorist attacks in Brussels as a “gesture of war”. So I doubt his comment was all-inclusive, it seems clear that Islamic terrorist aren't 'brothers' who want to live in peace.. I think the Pope was making a universal appeal for peace, but its also clear that the biblical God and Allah aren't the same God.. One God yes, but all brothers of the same God, no. it would seem to me that terrorists in general are not brothers who wish to live in peace. That does not mean that we are not brothers of the same God. Siblings fight, after all. Often over how they interpret the instructions of parents who are away. When I think about it, I am also convinced that even terrorists want to live in peace. They just don't have that as their highest priority. It falls below the goal of everyone conforming to their ideals. (If everyone conformed, they would be happy to live in peace.. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan56 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 10 hours ago, kokigami said: it would seem to me that terrorists in general are not brothers who wish to live in peace. That does not mean that we are not brothers of the same God. Siblings fight, after all. Often over how they interpret the instructions of parents who are away. When I think about it, I am also convinced that even terrorists want to live in peace. They just don't have that as their highest priority. It falls below the goal of everyone conforming to their ideals. (If everyone conformed, they would be happy to live in peace.. ) I kind of doubt it.... Their idea's seem more about obtaining land, power, money, control & dominance, and less about theology. Its kind of like telling an abused woman that her husband would stop beating her everyday if she would just conform to what he wants. There's no appeasing people who enjoy killing and terrorizing others, their objective is not to live in peace, religion is often just a guise or excuse used toward conquest... jmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emalpaiz Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 On 3/28/2016 at 7:29 AM, Pete said: “We have different cultures and religions, but we are brothers and we want to live in peace,” he said. “All of us, together: Muslims, Hindi, Catholics, Copts, Evangelicals, but brothers, children of the same God,” the Pope added. Pope Francis http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-washes-and-kisses-feet-of-muslim-hindu-and-christian-refugees-a6951771.html The founding teacher of my spiritual tradition, Sri Shyamacharan Lahiri (1828-1895) would have agreed with the Pope for he used to say, "God is the God of all." I also believe that. Hermano Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 On 4/6/2016 at 1:11 PM, Dan56 said: I kind of doubt it.... Their idea's seem more about obtaining land, power, money, control & dominance, and less about theology. Its kind of like telling an abused woman that her husband would stop beating her everyday if she would just conform to what he wants. There's no appeasing people who enjoy killing and terrorizing others, their objective is not to live in peace, religion is often just a guise or excuse used toward conquest... jmo. Yes. It is. I'm surprised to see you make that statement, considering Christian history all over the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youch Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 The Pope is a socialist. To me, that discredits him in all ways. Just as with state-run news, at some point you just gotta stop listening. For the former, this is unfortunate....for the latter, good riddance!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) On 3/29/2016 at 4:09 AM, Dan56 said: It also says: "The Pope denounced Tuesday’s terrorist attacks in Brussels as a “gesture of war”. So I doubt his comment was all-inclusive, it seems clear that Islamic terrorist aren't 'brothers' who want to live in peace.. I think the Pope was making a universal appeal for peace, but its also clear that the biblical God and Allah aren't the same God.. One God yes, but all brothers of the same God, no. This is not clear to me. Their stories are in different books. Other than that, how are they different? Edited December 11, 2016 by Jonathan H. B. Lobl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan56 Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 On 12/8/2016 at 7:51 AM, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said: Yes. It is. I'm surprised to see you make that statement, considering Christian history all over the world. I differentiate religious history from Christian history. Religions/denominations are organized institutions which often implement their own man-made beliefs/laws. Just as Jesus accused the pharisees of creating their own traditions, its continued down through history, where the traditions of man pollute the simple teachings of Christ. Because "the church" has done bad things under the banner of Christianity, it does not accurately reflect anything taught be Christ. 5 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said: This is not clear to me. Their stories are in different books. Other than that, how are they different? Islam has no Savior, Muslims must earn their way into paradise. Allah instructed followers to kill the enemies of Islam, while the Christian God reserves vengeance for himself. The characteristics of Mohammad and Christ are also different, one is a dead prophet, the other is the living Son of God. The Koran doesn't recognize a Messiah, particularly one which descended through Abraham/Issac. There's a few similarities, but a slew of differences since Muslims believe that the children of Abraham's firstborn (Ishmael) inherited the promise land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 7 hours ago, Dan56 said: I differentiate religious history from Christian history. Religions/denominations are organized institutions which often implement their own man-made beliefs/laws. Just as Jesus accused the pharisees of creating their own traditions, its continued down through history, where the traditions of man pollute the simple teachings of Christ. Because "the church" has done bad things under the banner of Christianity, it does not accurately reflect anything taught be Christ. Islam has no Savior, Muslims must earn their way into paradise. Allah instructed followers to kill the enemies of Islam, while the Christian God reserves vengeance for himself. The characteristics of Mohammad and Christ are also different, one is a dead prophet, the other is the living Son of God. The Koran doesn't recognize a Messiah, particularly one which descended through Abraham/Issac. There's a few similarities, but a slew of differences since Muslims believe that the children of Abraham's firstborn (Ishmael) inherited the promise land. Just to be clear -- You have God. The rest of the world has religion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan56 Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 16 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said: Just to be clear -- You have God. The rest of the world has religion? If you have God, who needs religion? I simply accept the bible as the inspired Word of God.. I'm not a fan of organized religion, it inevitably pollutes a simple truth and spins it into a complicated mess..Jesus didn't bring religion into the world, he brought salvation.. Religions were already here, but they had it all wrong back then, and are still a source of confusion today. No where did Jesus start a denomination, no where did he name a church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan H. B. Lobl Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Dan56 said: If you have God, who needs religion? I simply accept the bible as the inspired Word of God.. I'm not a fan of organized religion, it inevitably pollutes a simple truth and spins it into a complicated mess..Jesus didn't bring religion into the world, he brought salvation.. Religions were already here, but they had it all wrong back then, and are still a source of confusion today. No where did Jesus start a denomination, no where did he name a church. It is interesting, how the different religions say similar things. Christians don't have religion. They have Jesus. Jews don't have religion. They have Torah. Muslims don't have religion. They submit to God's will. Nobody has religion, yet the world drowns in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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