mererdog Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 As far as teaching men to fish, it has long been established that it is fairly difficult to teach someone who is starving. So while giving a man a fish might not be a good long term solution to his hunger, it might be a necessary component of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordie Posted July 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 True well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Nihilo Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 As far as teaching men to fish, it has long been established that it is fairly difficult to teach someone who is starving. So while giving a man a fish might not be a good long term solution to his hunger, it might be a necessary component of one. ding ding ding! Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordie Posted August 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BpCorey Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 I have nothing.live in familys old house. get 300.00 a month in a trust from dead parent.cant work or afford doctors or medications.they tell me I dont quailify for food stamps or medical help.if I was from another country and had 14 kids I would be living like a king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordie Posted August 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 What country do you live in ? In the usa 300 a month you will. Qualify for food stamps and medicaid you dont need to have 14 kids there are many forms of welfare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bro. Hex Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 (edited) I am pretty darn sure that lordie is right, BpCorey.I think that if you have been "turned down" for food stamps OR Medicaid coverage that you need to seek a local advocate for the rights of the poor. I cannot IMAGINE how you manage to survive on only $300 per month (free abode, or no free abode). Edited August 18, 2013 by Bro. Hex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokigami Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 Unless there are some mitigating circumstances, assuming you live in NV as you profile indicates, you should at least qualify for SNAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BpCorey Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 the house I live in and my car are in a trust, and they asked my lawyer for a copy of the trust papers and the lawyer said no, it was none of thier business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokigami Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 ah, that explains a bit. I assume you have no control over this. I haven't got a clue how to sort it out, but I am betting there is a way to do that. This is a bureaucracy problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmacfry Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 So many opinions, and somehow I agree with them all. I would like to add that in my opinion, education is the best way to combat these situations. I believe that if a mind is tested, it is less likely to become stagnant. The are and always will be people who abuse the system. If they are educated and still abuse the system, at least we can say they know better! So many opinions, and somehow I agree with them all. I would like to add that in my opinion, education is the best way to combat these situations. I believe that if a mind is tested, it is less likely to become stagnant. The are and always will be people who abuse the system. If they are educated and still abuse the system, at least we can say they know better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordie Posted September 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 True But sometimes i wonder if we are teaching the right education . When people milk the system Just a thought Lordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youch Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 I just got done look at the news wheel on a social network site were they had about foodstamps and a iphoneI thought well so what someone on foodstamps has an iphone no big deal they aint that expensive . And so i read the comments unbelievable the hatred towards people on welfare and foodstamps . It turned my stomache . As religious people we shouldnt make fun of any one esp one that is different than us .So i posted a commentYou dont know someone until you walk a mile in their shoes !!I thought well it might stop the picking i guess i wasnt the only one who thought that some other people did too . My personal belief is dont judge because someday it might be youLordieMake fun of them? Of course not.Discourage dependent behavior? Of course!Eliminate welfare for all but the most dire? An obligation!!!!!But know this, welfare is not a hand-out, it is a payment for votes. The politicians who expand such social programs are motivated by nothing more than that. Take it to the bank..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordie Posted March 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 I read all your replies. i am shocked. at some of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panpareil Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 When Human beings get something, they have a tendency to replicate the circumstances that they were in when they got something. When you give something to someone when they are sabotaging their own life they will continue to do so. This makes the gift giver a bad person. If you give a gift only when a person is making their life better then you are really helping them. So a gift can help or it can hurt. I am opposed to gifts that hurt and do not help. Therefore any gift should only follow a persons advancement, and should not be given before that advancement. The end goal should not only be end of gifts, it should also be the active participation of the person who has received gifts to not only repay his gifts but also contributing in helping othersI have a garden, and squirrels started eating my tomatoes. To get the to stop, I started bribing them with nuts, and picking my tomatoes earlier (they did not like them green). Anyway, they are now at my door everyday and I doubt they hunt for food as much as they used to. If I had stopped feeding them they would all have died this winter. They are now dependent an me. This is why they have signs up in parks about not feeding animals. It is not because feeding them makes them sick. It is because feeding them stops them from feeding themselves, and places them closer to death. This is why charity should be administered sparingly. It is not cruel it is a kindness.I would also add that coarse words on this topic are not directed at the needy but toward those who would tug at heart strings to use the needy as a reason to steal from others out of personal greed or envy. Which is a despicable act because it side tracks charity from the poor to its own pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noctulius64 Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I'm not able to get welfare. Foodstamps. SSI check or healthcare enrollment benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokigami Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 When Human beings get something, they have a tendency to replicate the circumstances that they were in when they got something. When you give something to someone when they are sabotaging their own life they will continue to do so. This makes the gift giver a bad person. If you give a gift only when a person is making their life better then you are really helping them. So a gift can help or it can hurt. I am opposed to gifts that hurt and do not help. Therefore any gift should only follow a persons advancement, and should not be given before that advancement. The end goal should not only be end of gifts, it should also be the active participation of the person who has received gifts to not only repay his gifts but also contributing in helping othersI have a garden, and squirrels started eating my tomatoes. To get the to stop, I started bribing them with nuts, and picking my tomatoes earlier (they did not like them green). Anyway, they are now at my door everyday and I doubt they hunt for food as much as they used to. If I had stopped feeding them they would all have died this winter. They are now dependent an me. This is why they have signs up in parks about not feeding animals. It is not because feeding them makes them sick. It is because feeding them stops them from feeding themselves, and places them closer to death. This is why charity should be administered sparingly. It is not cruel it is a kindness.I would also add that coarse words on this topic are not directed at the needy but toward those who would tug at heart strings to use the needy as a reason to steal from others out of personal greed or envy. Which is a despicable act because it side tracks charity from the poor to its own pockets.those squirrels are not dependent upon you. They are making reasoned decisions about investment of time and energy vs pay out. They are extorting you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panpareil Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Yes they are extorting me. They are lucky they are cute, otherwise they would be nailed up to my wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordie Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Noctulius i am sorry welfare or ssi or either we shouldn't be so quick to react because some day we might needit noctulius try ssd or tempory assistance program no it is not welfare it is help to get why u wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noctulius64 Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Thanks for the advice. but all my uncles going through a lawyer. One had to wait about a year. my other uncle he's been trying for the last three years and one lawyer drops the case and another lawyer gets it on a rebound. a never ending case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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