Zequatanil Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) In Canada Pierre Elliott Trudeau, in 1968 justice minister at the time introduced a landmark Criminal Law Amendment Act, 1968-69, an omnibus bill - later he became the 15th prime Minister of Canada for a number of terms.. He decriminalization of homosexual acts between consenting adults, the legalization of contraception, abortion and lotteries, new gun ownership restrictions as well as the authorization of breathalyzer tests on suspected drunk drivers. Trudeau famously defended the decriminalization of homosexual acts segment of the bill by telling reporters that "there's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation", adding that "what's done in private between adults doesn't concern the Criminal Code".Trudeau also liberalized divorce laws. Improved welfare payments to the aged, the young, and the underprivileged --and universal health care, regional development, establishing new programs, multiculturalism and zero tolerance for many things that involves personal attacks on people of any kind--off to jail you go .Making Canada--what he termed a `Just Society`. This is why we in Canada are the `Kumbaya` people perhaps.Do we live in a `Just Society`--in the country/world?.--Do you feel you live in a just society?- Is it just for all--or just the wealthy? Is there a law for the rich--for the poor? Justice different for specific races-colours-creeds? What could we do to make it a more just society?peace and blessings,S Edited July 10, 2012 by sarkany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) Spend a week or so in a court room and watch the cases that come forward and the sentences handed out. You will find vast discrimination in sentencing depending on race, color, ethnicity, etc. It may take more than a week to get a good sampling. Edited July 10, 2012 by Brother Kaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplicitys-brother Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 In Canada there is widespread agreement on many things but there is broad apathy on some things that are universal.One of those things is the rights of individuals to follow their own dreams and make their own accomplishments.Canadian government seems to want to live on the group and mankind dynamics but ignore the individual and family dynamics to get there.No matter where or how broadly agreed upon, taking from one to give to another is theft and vote buying in that order. A democracy is a society on its way out no matter how broadly desired. Just because there is a majority permission to do something wrong can never make it right.I have been to Canada many times and I love what I have seen but I would never want to live there and be restricted by her laws and restrictions. One thing too: is why are there so many cars with Canadian license plates in hospital parking lots in border towns from Seattle to Bangor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zequatanil Posted July 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) I have been to Canada many times and I love what I have seen but I would never want to live there and be restricted by her laws and restrictions. One thing too: is why are there so many cars with Canadian license plates in hospital parking lots in border towns from Seattle to Bangor?What restrictions--I have lived here over 30 years.You can choose any doctor, hospital, specialist you like we have the best in the world--including children`s hospital. The waiting period is very low, all medication for our seniors are completely free. My mom---just had a corneal transplat choose the best specialis--she is in her 80`s and would have cost a furtune--If you have a baby--can be anywhere, with anyone --even a midwife if you so choose. You can choose elective surgery as you please, with whom ever you please--the only thing is not covered partly is dental. So I have no idea why the Canadians are State side. Even immigrants or refugees after 3 months everything is covered including medical and welfare--they get a pretty penny and money to get back and study--even at university--until they stand on their feet. All can have loans for university, if you have no money or if your parents don`t want to pay. . -- The government dosn`t control anything that is regarding private life, only if it interferes with others. It is very much like Sweden--that is why we stand 1st or 2nd in the world most times--if you check regarding many, many things--including one of the best places to live and the safest.peace,S Edited July 10, 2012 by sarkany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atwater Vitki Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 There is no "perfect system" no matter where one goes or lives....but I think Canada has many things "right" over the States. Socialism is a mindset....one that most Democratic societies can't imagine. In many ways I wish a "One World Order" would just get it over with and take charge....then we could focus all our ilks and boo's on one issue! Viva la differánce! Viva la Change! Viva la Bounty paper towels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zequatanil Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 This is a question for my American friends--why is it that in the United States, the more money you have, the more money you can raise is the way to the White House? Even if some maybe much better for the country, but no money--they have no chance. Is this fair and just? Would a very rich person look out for me were I homeless, no health care and no job? I would view them as looking out for themselves--not for the benefit of the people. Does money=democracy?What does Mr Obama mean `By a more perfect Union`?In Canada there is widespread agreement on many things but there is broad apathy on some things that are universal.One of those things is the rights of individuals to follow their own dreams and make their own accomplishments.Canadian government seems to want to live on the group and mankind dynamics but ignore the individual and family dynamics to get there.Really?? Where on earth do you get these idea from? A big secret for us Canadians--thanks for the enlightenment. peace,S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Fair and Just do not play into American politics. You need to rephrase you question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bro. Hex Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) It is "way past time" for fairness and justice to "play" in American politics.The question is "spot on". It is the answers that are troubling. Edited July 11, 2012 by Bro. Hex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zequatanil Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) Sorry Br. Kaman no other way for me to put it.I would think that justice and fairness would be my main priority as a citizen--I know nothing is perfect. But it seems that in America it is all about money. Well, that is good but not all of us have the money and not all can be rich as Mr. Romney or Mr. Obama. As I recall a few candidates fell out because of money problems--I have no idea if they were good or not as I am not an American. And people know the Khardasians more than their vice president, and what goes on with the famous housewives in different cities--The young people are dying in Afghanistan, when young people don`t even know where it is, when asked in the street, they also had no idea why they were in Iraq, but knew what Angelina was wearing to the Oscars.--Something is wrong with this picture to me. To me this sort of shows that the people are not interested--and a wowed my fame and money.Also there are many cases where the rich get off Scott free because they can afford fancy dream teams, and the poor for shoplifting a pair of sneakers gets to be put in jail and the key is thrown away.And that Chief Justice O`Connor has to establish civic classes for students as they have no idea about the different branches of government--.But justice and fairness--and establishing a better society--well all societies even the best one`s can improve; these would be my top priority for government and its officials.Simply my view and questions as an outsider looking in--I really do not mean to offend anyone!Peace,S Edited July 11, 2012 by sarkany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplicitys-brother Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Remind me to take this up later tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan56 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 When my sister lived in Canada, I mailed her a birthday gift and she told me not to do that again because she had to pay a hefty tax on the value of the gift.. She also needed an x-ray once and had to wait 3 months for it, and drive 300 miles to get it. When my brother-in-law decided to leave Alberta and retire in Florida, Canada took HALF his money in taxes for moving his money out of the country. Socialism is an expensive proposition, I don't envy our friends to the north, nor do I think its wise to emulate them. When you want government to take care of you, be prepared to surrender a lot of freedom and empty your wallet. jmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bro. Hex Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) Surrender freedom, no. Serve up a lot of money in taxes, yes.Dan, the fact that your sister had to pay a tax on the value of the gift might be a shock to you, as you don't live in a "Value Added Tax Society".That has nothing to do with Socialism per se. Think of it as a different form of "sales tax" from what we use.Waiting 3 months for an X-Ray? What was it for? If it was for something very routine, that might be understandable.Drive 300 miles to get it? What part of "the boonies" does she live in? If your nearest neighbors are a moose, an elk and a raccoon, then such a drive "goes with the territory. I guarantee that if she lived in Toronto that she would not have to drive 300 miles for any medical procedure. Edited July 11, 2012 by Bro. Hex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Sorry Br. Kaman no other way for me to put it.I would think that justice and fairness would be my main priority as a citizen--I know nothing is perfect. But it seems that in America it is all about money. Well, that is good but not all of us have the money and not all can be rich as Mr. Romney or Mr. Obama. As I recall a few candidates fell out because of money problems--I have no idea if they were good or not as I am not an American. And people know the Khardasians more than their vice president, and what goes on with the famous housewives in different cities--The young people are dying in Afghanistan, when young people don`t even know where it is, when asked in the street, they also had no idea why they were in Iraq, but knew what Angelina was wearing to the Oscars.--Something is wrong with this picture to me. To me this sort of shows that the people are not interested--and a wowed my fame and money.Also there are many cases where the rich get off Scott free because they can afford fancy dream teams, and the poor for shoplifting a pair of sneakers gets to be put in jail and the key is thrown away.And that Chief Justice O`Connor has to establish civic classes for students as they have no idea about the different branches of government--.But justice and fairness--and establishing a better society--well all societies even the best one`s can improve; these would be my top priority for government and its officials.Simply my view and questions as an outsider looking in--I really do not mean to offend anyone!Peace,SApparently fairness and justice are not a priority for Americans as it is just fodder for the blatherings of politicians and have no bearing on the reality of American government. All Americans really want from their politicians are the keys to the treasury and more "gimme" programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplicitys-brother Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Apparently fairness and justice are not a priority for Americans as it is just fodder for the blatherings of politicians and have no bearing on the reality of American government. All Americans really want from their politicians are the keys to the treasury and more "gimme" programs.It might be that truer words were never written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplicitys-brother Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 I would think that justice and fairness would be my main priority as a citizen--I know nothing is perfect. But it seems that in America it is all about money. Well, that is good but not all of us have the money and not all can be rich as Mr. Romney or Mr. Obama. And the point here is exactly? As I recall a few candidates fell out because of money problems--I have no idea if they were good or not as I am not an American. True but if they had had good enough ideas and spoke them well enough, money would not have been a problem, And others left because of shenanigans by those who felt were being threatened politically. And people know the Khardasians more than their vice president, and what goes on with the famous housewives in different cities--The young people are dying in Afghanistan, when young people don`t even know where it is, when asked in the street, they also had no idea why they were in Iraq, but knew what Angelina was wearing to the Oscars.--Something is wrong with this picture to me. To me this sort of shows that the people are not interested--and a wowed my fame and money. Something is very wrong with this picture and we are paying for it dearly but there are people invested in dumbing down the population and the beat goes on.Also there are many cases where the rich get off Scott free because they can afford fancy dream teams, and the poor for shoplifting a pair of sneakers gets to be put in jail and the key is thrown away.And that Chief Justice O`Connor has to establish civic classes for students as they have no idea about the different branches of government--. I would agree that there have been some of those cases but it has been put to us that wealth envy is a good thing, rather than be energetic and become wealthy for yourself.But justice and fairness--and establishing a better society--well all societies even the best one`s can improve; these would be my top priority for government and its officials. My top priority would be for the government to follow the rule of law and let the people get on with their own lives. All people should live under the same rules.Simply my view and questions as an outsider looking in--I really do not mean to offend anyone! I am not offended and don't really care whether or not that was your wish. Those who take offense at truth can't stand the truth and have something they really want to hide.Peace, Indeed, it is coming; on the day when we can fully trust each other peace will have arrived.SI chopped it up like that because it wasn't done in bullet points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Cornelius Posted July 13, 2012 Moderator Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Spend a week or so in a court room and watch the cases that come forward and the sentences handed out. You will find vast discrimination in sentencing depending on race, color, ethnicity, etc. It may take more than a week to get a good sampling.It has also been shown through studies that people who are more physically attractive have a higher rate of charges being dropped, lighter sentencing, and get preferential treatment in general. Those who are less attractive are found get harsher sentencing. This is a deep seeded bias that happens on multiple levels and may be a result of evolutionary tendencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zequatanil Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 It has also been shown through studies that people who are more physically attractive have a higher rate of charges being dropped, lighter sentencing, and get preferential treatment in general. Those who are less attractive are found get harsher sentencing. This is a deep seeded bias that happens on multiple levels and may be a result of evolutionary tendencies.Clothes--as well as other attributes like make up and hair--and cover up them tattoos. That is why some you see on the news when arrested--and you don`t recognize them later. I have no idea were I a judge what difference that would make to me--there are more slick criminals than tattooed pickpockets--look at the wall street crowd .peace,s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zequatanil Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) Sorry--I coudn`t cut your quote= SB-I would agree that there have been some of those cases but it has been put to us that wealth envy is a good thing, rather than be energetic and become wealthy for yourself.Do you think this is right??Especially for the young generation?S Edited July 13, 2012 by sarkany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplicitys-brother Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Yes indeed and especially for the young. There are many quotes floating around but one f my favorites goes something like this: You cannot become rich by takng from the rich because after a while he will no longer be rich and then you have to fend for yourself. Its one of my favorites because I just wrote it.Or as Lady Thtcher said "The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money.Becomng wealthy is a very easy thing to do. All one has to do is learn how to set goals and meet them. Understand now, such is not taught in publlc schools, They don't want you to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bro. Hex Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Becomng wealthy is a very easy thing to do. All one has to do is learn how to set goals and meet them.Understand now, such is not taught in publlc schools, They don't want you to know.Who are "THEY"? And why are "they" plotting against us ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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