Hyper Real Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 What is wrong with this?I pledge allegiance to the flag (of the United States of America), and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.Why this?I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.But then again why not just this?I pledge allegiance to the United States of American, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 I may further ask, why should we pledge our allegiance at all if it is not enforceable? Does it give us warm, patriotic fuzzies to stand with a crowd, hand over our heart or at attention and salute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Gray Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 The second is the orginal written oddly enough by a minister.Your third, I woul not pledge to an "United States of American" as you put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper Real Posted May 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Your third, I woul not pledge to an "United States of American" as you put it.Oh, my mistake, that should be "United States of America". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Cornelius Posted May 31, 2012 Moderator Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 The second is the orginal written oddly enough by a minister.Your third, I woul not pledge to an "United States of American" as you put it.The original did not include god.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper Real Posted May 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 (edited) The original did not include god....He probably meant to say the first one which is the original. Edited May 31, 2012 by Hyper Real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Cornelius Posted May 31, 2012 Moderator Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Rereading his post I think your right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Gray Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 The original did not include god....I meant the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Dreed Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 as our nation was founded on christian beliefs I see absolutly no reason to not have "under god" included in our pledge. I grew up saying the pledge every morning while facing the flag while in school it did not hurt me one bit. of course in todays world the mere mention on God is forbidden in school, but ala, or any other religious leader is strongly encouraged by the school system. Why is it that Only God is forbidden? If God shall not be uttered than in my opinion no other religious (false god's ) leaders should be allowed either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Gray Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Founded by people who professed christian faiths is more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Cornelius Posted May 31, 2012 Moderator Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 as our nation was founded on christian beliefs How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper Real Posted May 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 in todays world the mere mention on God is forbidden in school, but ala, or any other religious leader is strongly encouraged by the school system. Why is it that Only God is forbidden? If God shall not be uttered than in my opinion no other religious (false god's ) leaders should be allowed either.What are you talking about, I try to make sense of what you write but I fail to succeed.Almost all schools recite the pledge daily including "under God".And what are these religious leaders you are talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawzo Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 as our nation was founded on christian beliefs I see absolutly no reason to not have "under god" included in our pledge. I grew up saying the pledge every morning while facing the flag while in school it did not hurt me one bit. of course in todays world the mere mention on God is forbidden in school, but ala, or any other religious leader is strongly encouraged by the school system. Why is it that Only God is forbidden? If God shall not be uttered than in my opinion no other religious (false god's ) leaders should be allowed either.Here is what Jefferson had to say about Christian Beliefs......what Jefferson said in his letter to Dr. Joseph Priestly....here is the actual text...."Yours is one of the few lives precious to mankind, and for the continuance of which every thinking man is solicitous. Bigots may be an exception. What an effort, my dear sir, of bigotry in politics and religion have we gone through! The barbarians really flattered themselves they should be able to bring back the times of Vandalism, when ignorance put everything into the hands of power and priestcraft. All advances in science were proscribed as innovations. They pretended to praise and encourage education, but it was to be the education of our ancestors. We were to look backwards, not forwards, for improvement … This was the real ground of all the attacks on you. Those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy — the most sublime and benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man — endeavored to crush your well-earned & well-deserved fame." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplicitys-brother Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 I am strongly against the forced recitation of any pledge. I think it should never be used in schools for any reason.The only proper use of this pledge, in my mind, would be when entering the US Military or elective office and in both times it should be as required as their current oathes of office.Should a child be punished because one day he just doesn't feel like making that pledge and his reason why doesn't matter at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper Real Posted June 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) I am strongly against the forced recitation of any pledge. I think it should never be used in schools for any reason.The only proper use of this pledge, in my mind, would be when entering the US Military or elective office and in both times it should be as required as their current oathes of office.Should a child be punished because one day he just doesn't feel like making that pledge and his reason why doesn't matter at all.According to Wikipedia:In 2006, in the Florida case Frazier v. Alexandre, 434 F.Supp.2d 1350 (S.D. Fla. May 31, 2006), a federal district court in Florida ruled that a 1942 state law requiring students to stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance violates the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.[28] As a result of that decision, a Florida school district was ordered to pay $32,500 to a student who chose not to say the pledge and was ridiculed and called "unpatriotic" by a teacher.[29] Edited June 1, 2012 by Hyper Real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mererdog Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 as our nation was founded on christian beliefs I see absolutly no reason to not have "under god" included in our pledge.Because it ceases to really be "our" pledge as soon as you put those words in it. It makes it so that only people who believe in God can be completely honest when taking it, don't you see? And if that doesn't matter, maybe it isn't the under God that should be taken out, but the parts on either side of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Gray Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 I do not feel the pledge should be mandatory for anyone. It is a pledge to a symbol, not to the country itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan56 Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 I don't have a problem with any of it.... Those that do can always leave or just be content to stand for nothing. Imagine if our founding Fathers had the attitude of; I've got no allegiance to my country, all that 'liberty and justice for all' crap is for the birds, the flag represents nothing to me, Francis Scott Key can choke on it, and God, he never blessed the richest country on earth, we should all divide-up and pledge nothing. We can be thankful that the generations which preceded us had the character, honor, respect, and loyalty to uphold the words that so many today refuse to utter. jmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Gray Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 The pledge didn't exist until the 110 years ago. The founders didnt need it. Why should we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kaman Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 I don't have a problem with any of it.... Those that do can always leave or just be content to stand for nothing. Imagine if our founding Fathers had the attitude of; I've got no allegiance to my country, all that 'liberty and justice for all' crap is for the birds, the flag represents nothing to me, Francis Scott Key can choke on it, and God, he never blessed the richest country on earth, we should all divide-up and pledge nothing. We can be thankful that the generations which preceded us had the character, honor, respect, and loyalty to uphold the words that so many today refuse to utter. jmoI do not pledge allegiance to the flag. I also to not have the attitude you have described. I do understand from another thread, however, that you view things in black and white. I am gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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