2012

[Fawzo]

If we survive the Near earth Object on that April Friday the 13th 2012 I'll be happy!!!

[RevRainbow]

And I thought the bible was difficult to study! I prefer to wait for Jesus coming back (Guess He better hurry then, huh?)

[nestingwave]

That won't be necessary; after reviewing your scientific data, I am now convinced that there is in fact a massive extra solar object headed towards Earth, and that its gravitational pull, combined with our alignment with the center of the galaxy, will indeed bring cataclysmic devastation to our planet.

Perhaps not 'devastation" but a few major problems at least, such as huge tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricane winds and volcanos. The worst of this would be during a PHYSICAL pole shift, not just a magnetic one which would be less cataclysmic. Both have happened many times before on planet earth but not in modern memory. The fact is, no one knows for sure what it means. And as for "Planet X" there are those saying it is already here in the inner solar system, however, I have not been able to substantiate that at all and the ones who apprently really know about this say its actual passage is between 60 and 120 years from now. However, that is not to say that it may not already have a magnetic influence. However, I think that the current "warming" trend throughout the entire solar system is due to the space energies coming in now from the black/white holes in the galactic center which are effecting our sun. All these things may be a factor.

At any rate, the so-called "global warming" cannot be due simply to hydrocarbons in the atmosphere as advertised, although that certainly makes folks cough and pollutes the air. However, some of the ice cores show even greater concentrations of CO2 in times past where cooling was going on. That CO2 was produced by many volcanoes going off in a short period of time. To blame this heating on CO2 simply does not take into consideration that such warming is occurring on Pluto and Mars and other freaky activity is now taking place on all the other planets in the solar system. Atmospheres are changing. Many of the planets are effervesing as never before as is the Sun's Heliosphere. There is certainly NO evidence of any of these planets having civilizations that produce CO2 and yet they too are warming. So the question is WHY? Many say, the SUN is freaking out. OK but WHY is the Sun freaking out? Probably because it is responding to the cosmic energies from the galactic center we are now starting to encounter, which the heliosphere's increasing efferfescence is indicating as the colliding energies cause glowing plasma to be produced.

All in all it seems to coincide perfectly with exactly what the Mayans had to say thousands of years ago. One then must ask -- HOW DID THEY KNOW??? Good question but they could only know from someone else having seen it or been privy to technology themselves that we presently know not of. This is NOT something that can be determined with the naked eye by any means. Of course it is ASSUMED that is all they had but that may indeed be an assumption due to incomplete knowledge.

A particularly interesting thing is what the scientists found when they measured ocean temperatures around where the world's larget glacier in Greenland is melting. They say it is melting faster than any other glacier on earth. Huge pieces are breaking off and producing ice bergs which continue to melt. They found that the temperature of the water was higher far BELOW the waters surface than near the surface which may indicate a magnetic churning within the earths mantel or even the core, or both, being a major cause of the warming and not the heating up of the atmosphere which in many cases is getting colder or remaining pretty much the same.

NASA recently discovered a HUGE magnetic BREACH around the earth (I have the article up on the website) and that, of course, means we are more subject to the space radiations, cosmic dust, and other energies that are normally deflected by the earth's magnetic field.

It also means a change in human consciousness because it has been known since the 1980s by those who, upon Francis Crick's suggestion, undertook a serious study of human consciousness, that magnetic fields in their variances across the earth seem to corrolate with various societal attitudes in that area.

For example, in California where the magnetic field is historically LOW, there is much creativity and freakiness and nonconventionality. Whereas in the Midwest where the magnetic field is normally high, (the Bible belt) you have very conservative linear thinking where the Bible is taken literally etc. Not as much creative movement as in California, for better or for worse. More "STAY AS ISNESS." Liberal democrats prevail in California and conservative Republicans in large parts of the midwest, including Missouri where I live.

A major Cosmic Convergence seems to be what many scientists have concluded and some have correlated it with the Mayan prophecies and other prophecies across the planet already in existance for thousands of years.

IMHO, I think this is all about TIME and our solar system being influenced by the numerous black/white holes in the galacitc center. Stephen Hawkings recently conceeded that they are not only "BLACK" holes which pull in energy but at the same time WHITE holes which emit great energies in frequencies that extend far above the measurable EM spectrum clear up into the scalar range.

A kind of Cosmic recycling machine.

So, how do they know these "scalar" energies are even there? (Also referred to as "dark energy.")

How do they know these scalar energies exist? By the IMPINGEMENT that those scalar waves cause upon the EM waves.

The scalar waves cannot be directly measured but the amount of IMPINGEMENT upon the EM CAN be measured. The Russian Scientists in the many Russian institutes set up to study this are concerned about how thiis might effect our DNA (and thus consciousness) and all DNA on earth. Perhaps it is the next major step in biological evolution -- or -- perhaps it is a massive biological "die off" -- or -- BOTH at the same time.

Dr. Bruce Liption, a cell biologist who worked on human cloning, says that the human DNA is VERY pliable and responds to every frequency there is, even THOUGHT. That's why people can literally THINK themselves into cancer (or out of it) by whether they bathe their cells with WORRY and FEAR or bathe their cells with thoughts of PEACE AND LACK OF WORRY.

A proper life giving mental attitude has been shown to be responsible for many whose cancer spontaneously went into remission. Of course, when one is dying of a so-called incurable cancer, the fear, angst, pain and constant negative messages coming from many quarters make it very difficult to think good thoughts indeed. However, it can and has been done and caused a real improvement, especially after a person knows, believes and understands that this is possible and not mumbo jumbo as was often insisted upon in the old reductionistic scientific model (now defunct) which viewed "thought" and "consciousness" as an "artifact" of physical matter. They assumed that everything can be reduced to a physical particle. An assumption now proven wrong many times over. They were recently searching for the Higgs Boson which they refer to as the "God Particle." Stephen Hawkings bet them $100 that they wouldn't find it and indeed they didn't, although BILLIONS were spent on that vain pursuit. That is the final fruit of the highly reductionistic "science" that insists that everything can be reduced down to a physical particle. A very vain pursuit indeed. Had they only been familiar with physicists such as David Bohm, Tom Bearden, Bruce Lipton, A.R. Bordon and many others, they would have known better.

"God" is the ONE SOURCE of the entire Creation and is everywhere, everyplace and everytime ALL AT ONCE. FAR ABOVE any manifestation whatsoever and yet in the very midst of ALL manifestation. from the tiniest quanta to the most massive STAR.

The many researchers into human consciousness since the 1980s, such as Dr. Harold Puthoff and Ingo Swann and A.R. Bordon, have proven that thought and consciousness is primary not secondary and not an "artifact" of physical matter at all but the very SOURCE of physical matter which, as Einstein said is not "solid matter" at all but ENERGY which is constantly morphing and changing. Sonoluminescent wavicles which sometimes congregate into what we call "solid" objects. The recent evidence suggest that to be true and I believe it is true because I have applied it with results. Not for cancer but for other physical ailments. Many, whom the doctors declared as good as dead, have greatly fooled the experts and surprisingly gone into remission anyway by a change of thought and attitude.

This only goes to further prove the ancient proverb, "as a man thinks in his heart SO IS HE."

All cancer pateints should be privy to this information, often denied them, because the hope itself tends to make a person more agreeable with their cells and thus improve their immune system and longevitality.

Dr. Lipton says our cells LISTEN to whatever we tell them and in my own experience I believe this to be true. Dr. Tom Bearden and many electrodynamic engineers have long discovered that there is something which they call a "time-reversed wave." This was even known by Maxwell and Heaviside but the ones that followed them didn't know what to do with it and so IGNORED it to make the mathematics simpler. Dr. Bearden well documents this by evolking the original papers of these pioneers. Anyone can read them on his website. This (time-reverse wave) is related to what they call "BACK EMF" and has generally been considered to be a nuisance. Actually it is a "vacuum" response to the EM transverse waves. These "time reversed" waves are "virtual" or "scalar" waves -- a reverse wave accompanies EVERY EM wave. All waves are BIDIRECTIONAL having both an EM aspect AND a scalar aspect as well. The scalar aspect is represented on an oscilloscope by a very high D.C. SPIKE which is directly transduced into the EM spectrum from the scalar realm. Usable EM energy which is usually totally left out of our COP<1 electromagnetics.

But this principle of the interaction of the scalar waves is the basis of the New Energy of which I have been speaking. It is learning to make use of this Back EMF "SPIKE" to produce OVERUNITY which is COP>1. This is not energy from "nothing" nor is it a "perpetual motion" machine as ignorant people often accuse but merely tapping the energies of the TIME DOMAIN and transducing them into real usable EM energy. The formula is now E= delta T x C squared. The scalar realm is is also called the "TIME DOMAIN." And, it is not "empty" but a seething matrix of constantly morphing energy, hitherto called the "vacuum" but far from "empty" as originally assumed.

In fact, the source matrix of ALL energy found in the Universe. Everywhere, everyplace and everytime all at once. it is the SPACE between the quanta which is considerable when one considers the tiny size of the smallest known quanta. It is analogous to a golf ball at one end of a football field and the NEXT quanta being clear at the other end of the football field. A WHOLE lot of seething vacuum energy is in between. In fact, one centimenter contains more energy than is now used on planet earth in a thousand years. Even tapping a very tiny portion of this supplies ALL energy needs on this planet. And that technology is fully proven to be viable. So, why don't we have it? In one word --- OIL. In two words BIG OIL. In three words BIG OIL INTERESTS. In four words, BIG OIL POLITICAL CONTROL.

But ... the kitty is now out of the sack.

Antonne Priore in France (1970s), who was funded by the French Government, used this principle to cure cancer in mice but was then shut down from any further experimentation because evidently there are certain vested interests that do not WANT a cure for cancer at all because they think their livlihood depends upon expensive treatments for the sick and dying which they monopolize, such as radiation and chemotherapy -- the effectiveness of which is highly controversial and in some cases weakens the human immune system to the point of making the cancer worse instead of better. Sometimes the radiation or the chemotherapy itself kills a patient. Both are highly poisonous, you know, and effect ALL cellular structure not just cancer cells.

These present methods of "treatment" are NOT good positive talk to ones cells, but just the opposite.

I talked to a cancer surgeon back in the 1950s who told me that when he opened someone up and exposed the cancer to the outside air, it often began to spread rapidly. For this reason he deemed that it was wise to avoid surgery whenever possible and when it was not avoidable to do it quickly and carefully and in the least obtrusive way possible, closing the area of operation as soon as possible.

Now, many decades later, they can do a lot of that with instruments that make it unnecessary to completely open up areas of cancer and expose it to the outside oxygen and instead handle it from an inner perspective with very advanced scopes, lasers and other instruments etc. This is one of the reasons cancer now has a much higher survival rate than when they used the old surgical techniques in decades past.

People should realize that 2012 does NOT represent any particular event. Only the peak of the allignment. There is the building up to it (right now) and coming out of it -- after 2012. How we will change is not fully known but there will be change because this kind of energy collision causes energetic changes even down to the DNA level and the quantum level. Some biologists have called this coming change a major "die off event." Some have called it a "punctuated equilibrium." This too has happened on planet earth in the past, but many are highly concerned about the magnitude of this one which is unique because of the hitherto unknown space energies being encountered.

I think there is evidence to suggest that our horizontal TIMELINE will split into two tributaries. Some will go on one and others on the other depending upon their own magnetic attraction and upon their most inner life intentions.

I certainly cannot prove this but a careful study of what the Mayans have to say about it makes it clear that TIME ITSELF is a very major factor and the basic change to this planet is one from dysfunction and angst to what has always been known as "the Golden Age" where peace instead of war and angst reigns. If that represents one of the timelines in the split, then the other one may contiue on as dysfunctional "business as usual" once the mess is cleaned up -- or -- an even worse "hell on earth" like a total world police state society. Much worse than the one we presently live near or directly IN depending upon where we are.

Without the New Energy, restoring the planet on that timeline might take considerable horizontal time. However, in the New Paradigm we will have all the energy we would ever need to accomplish the rethinking and rebuilding of earth's civilization and infrastructure, only this time with a consciousness of the planet herself and an attitude of healing her wounds, and from then on LISTENING to her, instead of approaching her as "conquerers" and "explioters" as has been the case now for thousands of years.

So, 2012 represents a major change. For better or for worse and I think it depends upon our individual intentions, desires and perspectives because of the coming TIME SHIFTS where TIMELINES are greatly effected. These ideas are still too way out for todays conventional science but the fact is, many mainstream scientist are now ALSO contemplating these things. World geniuses such as Nicola Tesla and Wilhelm Reich and Dr. Tom Bearden and Dr. Bruce Liption and A.R Bordon were and are fully steeped in Quantum Physics which not only allows for these things but mathematically proves them as definite possibilities containing varying degrees of probability. The energetics is what brings these changes and many of these are, as of yet, totally unknown to human experience. Perhaps the reality is further out than any human imagination could concevie -- due to our highly limited perspective and experience.

So, I think it is possible to take all this in two ways. 1) a horror of horrors -- or -- 2) the greatest human adventure imaginable and even beyond imagination.

I prefer the second view and fully embrace it as do most of the scientists I know who know something about the "miracle" of LIFE and the UNIVERSAL MIND while recognizing the interconnetivity of the entire Universe and all the beings in it.

Most, now view the Universe as a HUGE HOLOGRAM where even the tiniest sub quanta fractally reflects the WHOLE. Dr. Lipton even sees the human cell as a fractal of how the most functional human society will practically function. Others view the human system of fully interconnected cells as an unbelieveable and highly efficient BIOCOMPUTER and use computer terminology to describe how a human cell system works as a bioform. This too is a very good analogy but leaning a bit on the mechanistic side.

Life is a continual surprise and simply cannot be explained in fully linear terms. One must approach this entire subject HOLONOMICALLY in order to even begin to grasp it. By "HOLONOMICALLY" I mean a way of thinking which includes the fuction of the WHOLE as reflected in ALL its parts and aspects. Since all things are intimately related to all other things, there is no way to chop off a little piece and understand it. Knowledge of it requires knowledge of how the WHOLE operates in ONENESS and now that is entirely possible, since we are ALL immersed in it all the time and are now beginning to realize that fact.

Reading the works of those I have mentioned in this post will help anyone to understand this. These are not "kooky" scientists but very experienced ones who ALL are considered to be the very tops in their fields, although, at present, still too far out on to be understood by those who are only familiar with the old out of date "Standard Model" of Descarte, Newton and even Einstein.

Real scientists ALWAYS remain open to change, for without it there is NO progression of knowledge. Those who constantly do standard repetitive processes get stuck in a rut and tend to avoid anything that might upset the accepted paradigm which they learned in school. But that was most likely twnety or thirty years ago and science simply will not stay put. However, this convergence event upsets EVERYTHING we think we knew and sets us upon an entirely different course. A course where the information contained even in the tiniest quanta becomes INFORMATIVE via the Universal Communications Grid which is INBUILT with SHAREDISTRUIBUTABILITY EVERYWHERE.

To put it another way, the Universe, when properly consulted, is fully transparent. And that is how the Mayans and the prophets of old from every earth culture KNEW of this event and described it in the various metaphores of their culture and time.

In my view it is a very exciting and fulfilling time to be alive and incarnated into a human bioform on this planet. I see the dysfunctions of our present world paradigm disappearing forever. That is not "heaven" nor is it "perfection" only normal and sane. With regard to the intelligence in this Universe, we are on the bottom rung of the ladder -- mere novices. Beginners. Juat beginning to be aware of our own evolution and how to facilitate it instead of hinder it as has been the case now for thousands of years due to ignorance and extreme selfishness hindered by a severe case of tunnel vision. A kind of BOX which has become a prison of our own making.

Sometimes planet earth has been referred to as a "prison planet." If it is, we made it thus and are responsible for opening the prison doors.

But, as the one who called himself the "son-of-man" once said, "You shall know the truth and truth shall make you free." As fearful and disturbing as things may now often appear, this prophecy is being fulfilled in these days. At the same time the world prophecy found in the last chapter of Malachi is also being fulfilled as is the real meaning of the book of Revelation which has been interpreted throughout the ages in so many different ways. As it turns out, that which was called "supernatural" in the past is fully shown to be only a further extension of Mother Nature Herself beyond what we have been traditionally aware of up til now.

namaste.

[Verisoph]

It should also be noted that if the Earth's magnetic field were to break down, then all life on the planet would cease to exist, not because of high energy particles from white/black holes at the center of the galaxy, but from the normal high energy cosmic rays from our sun. If you are claiming the Earth's magnetic field will break down, then you are prophesying complete destruction of the human race from our own sun, not a rebirth of the planet.

Much of what has been posted here seems to fly in the face of actual quantum mechanics. Tapping the quantum potential and the time domain? The entire universe being quantum entangled? Limitless worlds and timelines? These are very outlandish claims. I don't know if I even want to attempt to correct the flawed assumptions made, but here goes some of them.

1. The quantum potential or vacuum potential is not as easily tapped for energy as you might believe. It's true that matter anti-matter pairs are in constant flux of creation and annihilation within the vacuum, but to harness that energy means removing the anti-matter from the system which is only known to happen along the event horizon of a black hole. There is not differing ratios of space and time within the universe. The time domain does not hold infinite amounts of energy or timelines.

2. Making the assumption that all of us are quantum entangled with ETIs is completely illogical. A quantum entangled state means the state is in a superposition of states, or that it hasn't been measured yet. To say we are quantum entangled with ETIs would mean that our consciences would be mingled together. We would be hungry and full at the same time, or happy and sad at the same time. We would also be in an unmeasured state, but that is intuitively bizarre because I am constantly measuring myself. This whole notion is completely bizarre, and not based on actual quantum physics.

I don't know what else to say, but the claims made in this thread have no basis in the realm of actual quantum mechanics as established by Heisenberg, Born, Schrodinger, Planck, Dirac, or Bell.

Also, after reading several of the websites linked in this thread, I must say that most of what has been cited shows complete disregard for the scientific method, and the mountains of scientific evidence do not support the conclusion that Earth is heading for a catastrophic period of rebirth.

Thanks for taking the time to introduce a bit more real science into the thread.

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That we are in the midst of a huge cosmic energetic change there is no doubt.

Really? No doubt about that? Golly!

When one familiarizes themselves with the Mayan Calendar and the accuracy of it proven by those many folks who dedicated their lives to studying it, there is no doubt that we are now entering those areas of space where high and unusual energies are found

Wow! No doubt about that too, huh? And the Mayan calendar proves all this? Amazing!

Please see the fallacies of Argument By Prestigious Jargon and Argument By Gibberish.

[Verisoph]

That won't be necessary; after reviewing your scientific data, I am now convinced that there is in fact a massive extra solar object headed towards Earth, and that its gravitational pull, combined with our alignment with the center of the galaxy, will indeed bring cataclysmic devastation to our planet.

I was born in April, but not on the first.

[Forest Wizard]

There is a great deal of denial concerning this present cosmic event.

That we are in the midst of a huge cosmic energetic change there is no doubt...

I appreciate your empassioned arguments here but I beg to differ... evidently there is considerable doubt. Although I myself am not educated in this area, it appears as though the scientific community at large is not in agreement with the conclusions you draw. You have studied these matters and I have not. You have me at a huge disadvantage there, nestingwave.

..but having said the above, may I ask you....

IF these things are almost bound to happen to our planet (in the view of people who agree with you) exactly WHAT do you suggest we should all do about it? Assuming we cannot stop it, shouldn't we just live each day to the fullest? I wonder to myself, if time is so short, "why does he spend so much time writing these encyclopedic posts?"

PLEASE TAKE NO OFFENSE nestingwave... I mean none. I simply wonder WHAT we are supposed to do about it all?

[nestingwave]

I appreciate your empassioned arguments here but I beg to differ... evidently there is considerable doubt. Although I myself am not educated in this area, it appears as though the scientific community at large is not in agreement with the conclusions you draw. You have studied these matters and I have not. You have me at a huge disadvantage there, nestingwave.

But if you have not studied these matters, how could you know? Most folks just believe whatever the social consensus tells them. That has been a BIG BIG problem on planet earth, eh?

..but having said the above, may I ask you....

IF these things are almost bound to happen to our planet (in the view of people who agree with you)

Not with me but with the evidence presented by many many scientists from many sources which are posted up on my website. Many may disagree but I have yet to see anyone refute the evidence since it is corroborated from so many different sources. Most folks are far too lazy to do that because in order to do so they would have to actually find out about the evidence to start with and that might upset their preconceived opinions. Most folks do not wish to get outside their "comfort" zone. And I fully understand that. This really scares a lot of folks and that is why I say look at ALL the evidence and you will come to the conclusion that there is nothing whatsoever to fear, although the situation is very real indeed.

This is necessary because presently there is much unnecessary 2012 hysteria and one should find out about the serious investigations going on about it in order to put it in perspective. Of course, there are many who would rather just ignore it and that is their choice. Or, try to ridicule anyone who makes them slightly depart from their "comfort zone." So, it is easier to say, "WHAT A NUTCASE THAT PERSON IS." That is fine too. That makes it easy for those in denial to simply dismiss it because it might be too much to handle. An escape valve. A necessary one. Certainly not everyone is ready for this, since it is so far outside their social consensus reality. It kind of, shall we say, upsets what one has always assumed about "reality?" So, kill the messenger through ridicule without actually finding out about it. Happens all the time.

It happened to every single visonary in history as well as anyone who dared depart from the status quo. So, I do not simply stand upon the many scientists who research this but also on the many visionaries throughout history who have brought much creative thought into the world including the great teachers and prophets. I stand upon the shoulders of giants -- and merely point out what THEY have said that my own life experiences coincide with.

So, I say to anyone and everyone -- take it, or leave it, but don't believe a word I say. Find out for yourself. You owe it to yourself. THEN, and only then, you will have a basis upon which to form an opinion. Most opinions are formed via social consensus realities, suppositions, preconceived notions and conclusion pole vaulting and not upon logic, reason and creative imagination. And certainly not upon the synthesis of the research and creative ideas of others.

It is easy to say, "Oh, this is just nestingwave's madness." Well, maybe it is. Find out or simply reject it out of hand. Your choice. This is the challenge. Don't just believe something because some "authority" figure says so. I am NO authority figure at all, so am easy to dismiss. And that is PERFECTLY all right. I am not here to present any kind of doctrine or dogma but simply to express an educated opinion. Why is it an educated opinion? No, I didn't learn it in high school or at the University but followed whereever my heart led and I suggest to others to do the same. "You cannot go wrong if you simply follow your bliss," as Joseph Cambell once said.

And, yes, living in the most present moment is exactly what this is about. As Ekhart Tolle said, "THIS PRESENT MOMENT IS THE ONLY ONE YOU WILL EVER HAVE." Very true, I think.

These are not just my empty opinions as many might hope, but gleanings from the work of many scientists who very well know about this, although you haven't heard it on FOX and probably won't. It is actually a major factor now driving this apparently insane world situation here at the end of this long cosmic cycle and the fresh beginning of a new one -- a time of "REKONING" so to speak where all the loose ends get tied up and resolved?

exactly WHAT do you suggest we should all do about it? Assuming we cannot stop it, shouldn't we just live each day to the fullest? I wonder to myself, if time is so short, "why does he spend so much time writing these encyclopedic posts?"

Forget my "tomes." You should spend more time reading the many references I give. Why? To inform and lessen stress. Better to know than not to know. And ... knowing AHEAD of time gives one time to mentally, spiritually and physically prepare. Also, the earth changes are not what is being advertised as excessive CO2 in the atmosphere, as the media propaganda is constantly telling you. And there is a good place to begin because that is quite obvious and the many NASA probes prove it.

Of course, most folks know nothing except what they hear over FOX, CNN, ABC, NBC, PBS, MSNBC, CBS etc. Also, the attention span of the tee vee generation is about fifteen seconds. No, you won't hear the truth about what is happening there. Does that surprise you? It shouldn't if you have been paying any attention at all.

PLEASE TAKE NO OFFENSE nestingwave... I mean none. I simply wonder WHAT we are supposed to do about it all?

None taken. I write this to stir people up to look into it for themselves. I realize most won't and already have a preconceived opinion. That's fine. I have no need to "convince" anyone of anything -- merely point out the vast evidence for anyone who cares to find out about it for themselves. That's all. Everyone has the complete freedom to put all the evidence together for themselves. I won't be upset if you don't put all the evidence together the way I have but will listen to YOUR INFORMED opinion and even question my own. But, not just suppositions and opinions and conclusion pole vaultings given while ignoring the evidence from folks who know far more than I.

What to do, what to do?

Find out WHO and WHAT you are. Stay in the moment. Grow a garden.

namste.

[Forest Wizard]

But if you have not studied these matters, how could you know? Most folks just believe whatever the social consensus tells them. That has been a BIG BIG problem on planet earth, eh?...

True, very true, my friend. I do not pretend to KNOW, but niether do I accept blindly what I read or see on TV.

... You should spend more time reading the many references I give. Why? To inform and lessen stress...

How does reading references that predict the end of life as we know it going to "lessen stress"??

...Better to know than not to know. And ... knowing AHEAD of time gives one time to mentally, spiritually and physically prepare...

Agreed, in principle... but we are not talking about "knowing"... you are THEORIZING. I confess, it is somewhat unfair to put you in the place of persuading people who haven't done a tenth of your research and study of this topic. Honestly though, I simply am too busy living to worry too much about a cataclysmic event that may or may not happen AND that you admit there's nothing we can do to stop!

...I have no need to "convince" anyone of anything...

Are you quite sure of that, nestingwave?

...What to do, what to do?

Find out WHO and WHAT you are. Stay in the moment. Grow a garden.

namste.

EXCELLENT advice, my friend!

Namaste

Edited April 2, 2009 by Forest Wizard

[Verisoph]

The "allignment" (or "CONVERGENCE") of our solar system with the Milky Way "EQUATOR" is once every 26,000 years. I was using the term "ecliptic" instead of "equator." And, yes, this allignment is now due. A 26,000 year cycle, so this will be the first in man's memory. Amazing how the Mayan's already knew about this thousands of year ago, eh?

The alignment that you're talking about is between the earth, the sun, and the galactic center. In fact, it happens every single year, without fail.

The idea that this is significant was introduced by John Jenkins in his book "Maya Cosmogenesis 2012." His claim is that in 2012 the alignment will occur on the day of the Winter Solstice (that is a rarity).

Even if that did make any real difference in regards to us "entering those areas of space where high and unusual energies are found," it's important to note that Mr. Jenkins botched the math. The exactly timed alignment to which he refers happened on December 21, 1997.

We've been there, we've done that.

If you'd like the skinny on this alignment try here: Maya Galactic Alignment 2012

[Forest Wizard]

Again the Forest Wizard pauses at a grassy clearing and wonders... "so much is made of the Mayan calendar and predictions... I wonder how many OTHER Mayan predictions have come true?"

Edited April 3, 2009 by Forest Wizard

[G. Ministries]

The only way this world will pass is by mans hands only.

The final war, total destruction with atomic weaponry.

As far as a super nova, I seriously doubt that happening.

People and their rediculous rumors,lol....

The more people carry on about, it's almost like they want this to happen..

[pmdirac]

This post is in response to nestingwave's opinion that no one can refute his mountain of evidence. He has clearly thrown down the challenge for anyone to dispute him.

I really have no problem with people believing that the end of the mayan long count could be a sign of disaster, but when people claim that legitimate science backs up or proves that we are headed for disaster then the hairs on the back of my neck stand up just a little bit.

When words like "quantum vacuum," "quantum entanglement," "dark energy," and "sonoluminescent wavicles" get tossed around without regard to their actual meaning it perturbs me a little bit because I am actually studying these things. (Sonoluminescent waves are light waves created in tanks by focusing sound waves on a single point by the way: source not a potential cure for cancer or the constituent elements of matter. You may be confusing sonoluminescent waves with the Higgs Boson.) (Also dark energy is not scalar energy, it is completely unkown what dark energy is, but it is the term that is used to explain whatever force is causing the universe to expand at an accelerated pace.) Again, I must stress that pulling energy out of the quantum vacuum is virtually impossible with today's technology: source. I understand that science is awesome, but you can't just go around waving the magical "I have scientific proof" wand unless you actually do have scientific proof.

Not with me but with the evidence presented by many many scientists from many sources which are posted up on my website. Many may disagree but I have yet to see anyone refute the evidence since it is corroborated from so many different sources. Most folks are far too lazy to do that because in order to do so they would have to actually find out about the evidence to start with and that might upset their preconceived opinions.

I have gone through all of your links on your website, nestingwave. None of the links you posted are articles from actual peer-reviewed scientific journals. About half are news articles written by journalists, not scientists, and the other half are just websites created by other people who reference journalists and not scientists. You reference Tom Bearden for basically all of your ideas on zero point energy or "over-unity." This article directly refutes the claims of Tom Bearden: source.

Really the best science you have linked on your website are articles about increased solar storms from the sun. It has been known for quite some time that solar storms are on an 11 year cycle. It just so happens that the next peak is around 2012 which is also when the mayan long count ends. Wow, neat coincidence. The claims of ultra high energy particles coming from blackholes in the center of our galaxy are quite erroneus. The reference you have for this on your website is a news article about some scientists who observed a few marginally larger energy cosmic rays from a black hole, but it should be noted that the radiation they are talking about is very low energy rays. They found some higher energy low energy rays. Also simple geometry suggests that being in the same plane as a black hole doesn't mean you would be getting more rays from the black hole, as cosmic radiation is emitted in sphereical waves. That means that we get exposed to the same amount of radiation from a distant source no matter where we are as far as angular dependence goes.

The reason the mayan long count ends in 2012 is because it is based on the percession of the Earth's equinox, or wobble in our rotation.

[Verisoph]

(Also dark energy is not scalar energy, it is completely unkown what dark energy is, but it is the term that is used to explain whatever force is causing the universe to expand at an accelerated pace.)

I'm amazed at some of the claims I've heard about dark matter and dark energy. I guess they just sound so mysterous that they're begging to be abused. Eventually someone might figure out what, and even if, these things really are - I suppose then they'll get proper names. It seems that the more uncertainty there is about something, the easier it is to make spurious claims about it.

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It's been 23 years since the Chernobyl nuclear disaster's massive release of radioactivity into the environment. Do you ever wonder where all the superheros are that must have been created by this event?

It's a known fact that Putin has hiding them from the world so that no one will know their weaknesses. His plan is to unleash them on the US, Latvia and Lithuania during the chaotic cataclysms of 2012. The evil media magnates know of this plan, but they've been promised large kingdoms to rule over and concubine clones of Scarlett Johansson as a reward for their silence.

They greatly desire these things and that's precisely why they're keeping us in the dark matter.

[nestingwave]

Take it or leave it. I have nothing to argue about, only information coming from several sources.

Peace be upon the earth and among all beings.

namaste.

[pmdirac]

It's been 23 years since the Chernobyl nuclear disaster's massive release of radioactivity into the environment. Do you ever wonder where all the superheros are that must have been created by this event?

It's a known fact that Putin has hiding them from the world so that no one will know their weaknesses. His plan is to unleash them on the US, Latvia and Lithuania during the chaotic cataclysms of 2012. The evil media magnates know of this plan, but they've been promised large kingdoms to rule over and concubine clones of Scarlett Johansson as a reward for their silence.

They greatly desire these things and that's precisely why they're keeping us in the dark matter.

It's true. Hopefully the beast that was discovered underneath the mantle of the earth during the 3 mile island meltdown will not be released causing general china syndrome amongst the populous. Even if it does though, I think it's possible that we could use the Large Hadron Collider at CERN to create a localized black hole to suck the demon back into the center of the earth. We just need to make sure that we create a magnetic monopole bubble around the beast and the black hole so that the event horizon doesn't expand to the radius of the earth. This shouldn't be too hard since black holes have no hair.

[Starlord]

Hi All,

with all the talk of the world ending in 2012, what do Pagans think of this. I am wiccan and my husband isn't. He is covinced the world is going to end in 2012. What do all you think?

I am 62 years of age, and intend to be around on New Year's Day, 2013, just so I can give the horse laugh to those who believe this obvious misunderstanding. The Mayans were an extremely primitive civilization,and the did wonderful carvings. One of these carving si the so-called Mayan Calender that supposedly ends on December 20, 2012, or some such date. A little research reveals that teh Mayan calender, like our own, is cyclic. There are those who believe instead of the world ending on the alleged date, it will just roll over into the next cycle, just as our calender rolls over fro December to January. I think our little ball of dirt will go one for many long years beyond the Mayan's so-called prediction.

BB

Rev. Allen

[nestingwave]

I am 62 years of age, and intend to be around on New Year's Day, 2013, just so I can give the horse laugh to those who believe this obvious misunderstanding. The Mayans were an extremely primitive civilization,and the did wonderful carvings. One of these carving si the so-called Mayan Calender that supposedly ends on December 20, 2012, or some such date. A little research reveals that teh Mayan calender, like our own, is cyclic. There are those who believe instead of the world ending on the alleged date, it will just roll over into the next cycle, just as our calender rolls over fro December to January. I think our little ball of dirt will go one for many long years beyond the Mayan's so-called prediction.

BB

Rev. Allen

Hi Rev. Allen -- another STAR LORD. Excellent. One in that position always has to retain a certain humility, of course.

You are so informed about the matter that you do not even know when the Mayan Calendar ends? And yet you are able to judge the situation? I don't think so. Now, 2012 and all the implications surrounding it is definitely something which a Star Lord should find out about, since all of this is of a Galactic nature. And, if you knew anything at all about it, you would know very well that the "end of the world" scenario is completely false and the Mayans never said any such thing. Nor do I. You make assumptions and engage in conclusion pole vaulting, eh? Even if the continents shake like billiard balls in a hurricane, it is not the "end of the world." Conclusion pole vaulting -- A very popular sport. The Mayans NEVER NEVER predicted the now popularized "end of the world." Really.

Yes, CYCLES. And you are entirely accurate about that and I give you credit for it. Yep, Star Lords are entirely aware of cycles and really that knowledge is primary in understanding 2012.

All you have to do now, is fill in some of the blanks and replace popular misconceptions with accurate knowledge.

This particular cycle is entirely new to human consciousness on planet earth because it is a convergence of MANY cycles including one that is 26,000 years long in linear time. Another one that is 3600 years (there abouts) -- and a cycle that is several MILLION years long. This is quite a bit more than "Jupiter alligns with Mars."

It is also the passing of our solar system through the edge of the Miky Way center directly into line with the many black/white holes in the middle of the Milky Way Galaxy that are continually pouring forth intense cosmic energies of multiple frequencies, some completely out of the range of any human instruments.

I offer links to two recent University stronomical studies that show that this is an entirely unique event, not the naturally known regular cycle of dipping back and forth but a plunging of our entire solar system on its travel through space, down into and across the extreme energetic plane -- a NEW event for us never before experienced in human history.

Another scientific confirmation that the Mayans knew exactly what they were talking about. Of course few will bother to read that article and prefer heresay and popular myths instead. I could give you that link right here and now but won't since those who wish to know can know and those who do not wish to know can remain in denial for as long as they want to --- or are able to do so. It is in the links on my article "Convergence." This is all a matter of choice, not persuasion.

I have nothing to "sell." It is hard to believe that, I know, since we have all been at least partially programmed to think that anything not for "sale" is worthless.

Our Sun is reacting in the observed changes in its normal cycle and every planet in our solar system is experiencing unusual changes including heating, atmospheric changes, freak storms, electromagnetic changes and others. Phenomena never before observed in the several centuries that such things have been scientificaly observed.

This is completely confirmed, not only by the NASA probes but also by the ESA (European Space Agency.) So, its not as if there was no EVIDENCE for these unusual events taking place. Unusual to the scope of our developing science.

And I am sure you are smart enough to realize that CO2 on earth does not extend to Pluto which is also undergoing a melt.

The present propaganda we are constantly being bombarded with called "global warming" being caused only by excessive CO2 in earth's atmosphere, is sheer nonsense which has been designed to obscure the magnitude of what is actually happening and is going to happen as these energies converge. At least its got everyone attention that something is going on and mankind needs to start now coordinating together as a team to face the coming emergency. And, I think, that is exactly what the "global warming" propaganda is designed to do, although not telling you the genuine reason so as not to produce undue stress or panic. Very wise in my view. Most folks would not take the time to actually look into it but REACT in a Pavlovian response with the ever-popular, "IT"S THE END OF THE WORLD, RUN FOR YOUR VERY LIVES!!!!"

So many folks with the runs would cause unnecessary problems ahead of time. (no pun intended)

There are mountains of evidence -- only you will not hear about it on FOX or CNN. So, therefore, most assume there is no evidence. And that is the predictable reaction of a mind controlled society that allows the government to control HOW they think and WHAT to think and WHEN to think it.

Yet, all the information is directly beneath the surface and many in government WANT you to know. Yes, many do want you to know, but at the same time do not deem it wise to cause any kind of panic and indeed they are correct. Every disaster film that Hollywood has been showing for the last fifty years has been preparing us psychologically to face up to these events whenever the time comes.

Yes, they have known about this at least as far back as 1947.

The Mayans did not predict the "end of the world" as is now POPULARIZED by fear propaganda the "doomsday" false prophets. (Of course it will be "doomsday" for Wall Street and Exxon that's for sure and it doens't take a "prophet" to predict that certainty.)

However, the Galactic Mayans did predict radical change to the point of transformation and that change is already afoot. December 21, 2012 at 11:11 AM Universal Time is only the exact moment of the perfect allignment. It does NOT represent a particular "event." But, change is already afoot nonetheless. Perhaps you've noticed? Big change. The earth changes are already underway. Perhaps you haven't noticed. Yet.

The Islanders who are about to loose their traditional homeland of many centuries, due to being swallowed by the sea, are well aware. Maybe you didn't know about that because it does not concern you? Directly.

What just happened in the center of Italy will happen in the U.S. of A. and many other places in the world -- and much worse than the one in Italy. That might get your attention when it occurs and perhaps you may relate that coming event to what I and so many others are saying now about this convergence. Many, at that point, will get serious about finding out what this is all about.

Of course many will simply continue on with their heads stuck in a bucket of sand and bare asses waving in the breeze. However, denial is a choice over understanding and no one but US is responsibile for the consequences of our own choices.

The consciousness changes are already well underway too. Have you seen the news lately? Surely you watch FOX and CNN. More to come. Much more.

Ignorance certainly is not bliss. Ignorance is just plain ignorance -- that is -- presumption based upon supposition in this particular case, according to the inaccurate statements in your post -- with a few exceptions which I acknowledge.

I suggest you actually look into what the Mayans did have to say. I have some good references up on my website. Anyone can lean the actual facts, if they want to. Many professional researchers have dedicated their entire lives to studying this profound mystery of the Galactic Mayans. The "mystery" is not in what they had to say but in WHO they were to have possessed such accurate knowledge about the Universe. STAR LORDS indeed. Accurate knowledge which is now scientifically confirmed many many centuries later.

Of course you will have to tear yourself away from FOX and CNN and that will be difficult.

And I understand that there are many many folks who choose to simply remain oblivious. That's their choice. Perhaps they prefer to be surprised?

"Why we never thought THAT could happen?" Nope. (Like the bankers who engineering the world wide financial meltdown. hahahahah "WHY WE NEVER IMAGINED THAT COULD HAPPEN." And with a straight face too.)

In fact, we never THOUGHT -- but allowed others to do our thinking for us.

And the crowd said among themselves, "They were popular government experts -- certified too -- and they told us what we want to hear, after all, tickling our ears is what its all about -- entertainment-- isn't it?"

Well, actually, no it isn't.

Of course the many many experts now predicting a huge earthquake (long overdue) along the Madrid fault are simply ignored . However, the folks living along that fault do not ignore them and are very sensitive to EVERY little shake. Just like Southern California and Alaska.

Ask the people who survived Katrina what they think about the earth changes.

Of course, that particular event may have been an attack upon the U.S. from the first generation scalar interferometers that the Japanese Yakusa leased from the Russians. Those weapons are are based in Siberia and most ham operators are familiar with what is called the "Woodpecker Grid" which is the carrier signal for those energetic weapons.

The "Woodpecker Grid" fans out from three sources up in the north (Siberia) and spreads across the entire United States. They call it "Woodpecker Grid" because it makes a jarring tat tat tat tat like a woodpecker and very fast like a woodpecker too. Tatatatatatatatatatatata. LIke flashing colored lights, can give a person a seizure.

That Katrina "event" may have been manmade, or rather man-enhanced, since that hurricane appears to have been steered and power boosted making two 90 degree turns to aim it directly at New Orleans, .... hmmmm ... almost like a ... bullet?

So, either natural unnaturalness, scalar attack, or the Supernatural Wrath of God against "siiiiiin". Take yer pick. However, Katrina did appear to be driven like a bus and well aimed. Quite remarkable actually. Rare indeed. Especially its movement. Too rare.

Thar's a smelly fish in the wood pile, ma!

As for me I have NEVER seen a hurricane take two ninety degree turns -- but as a Star Lord you may have.

Anyhow, I doubt if you could convince the folks in central Italy that 2012 is hogwash. Someone who follws the popular myths would probably say, "duh .... but it ain't 2012 yet." For many there, it was the end of the world.

Yes, the coming events leading up to Dec. 21 2012 and AFTERWARDS will include similar disruptions and deathly events, but certain not the "end" of the world. In fact, the Mayans predicted the emerging of an entirely New World after the convergence -- and we can certainly use one. Actually the "new" world is simply the "old" world HEALED.

namaste.

[Forest Wizard]

Hi Rev. Allen -- another STAR LORD. Excellent. One in that position always has to retain a certain humility, of course.

You are so informed about the matter that you do not even know when the Mayan Calendar ends? And yet you are able to judge the situation? I don't think so. Now, 2012 and all the implications surrounding it is definitely something which a Star Lord should find out about, since all of this is of a Galactic nature.

Nestingwing, your tone betrays a certain frustration. Perhaps it is more important to you that others accept your viewpoint than you have let on.

Your mocking of another member's screen name is disturbing, not to mention petty. Do you suppose that screen names are supposed to be personal descriptions? Are you a NESTINGWING? What exactly IS a nestingwing? Is it different than a flying wing? Maybe the name fits, though.... are you flighty or maybe just a birdbrain? With a nic like "nestingwing" I wouldn't go around making fun of others. (my apologies to the moderators)

The present propaganda we are constantly being bombarded with called "global warming" being caused only by excessive CO2 in earth's atmosphere, is sheer nonsense which has been designed to obscure the magnitude of what is actually happening and is going to happen as these energies converge. At least its got everyone attention that something is going on and mankind needs to start now coordinating together as a team to face the coming emergency.

Propaganda? PROPAGANDA!? It is curious that the VAST majority of the world's scientists regard global warming as a FACT, but where is the worldwide consensus amongst the scientific community that 2012 will bring any of the things you predict? As I have stated before, I am NOT an authority on the 2012 topic but I am surprised someone who appeared to me to be so lucid could possibly call global warming "propaganda!" Wow. You're not related to George W. Bush are you?

The Mayans did not predict the "end of the world" as is now POPULARIZED by fear propaganda the "doomsday" false prophets.

Honestly, nestingwing, I agree the Mayans didn't predict world catastrophy but many of YOUR comments give that impression. In this very post you talked of islands disappearing under the waves. You said the world needed to unite and prepare for this "emergency." That sounds a LOT like an end of the world scenario- for lots of people anyway! Granted, you didn't say it would be the end for EVERYBODY but certainly very extensive loss of life.

Forgive me sir, but you are beginning to sound like a crazed doomsayer.... I hope I am wrong.

Edited April 7, 2009 by Forest Wizard

[nestingwave]

To all the dear folks who assume things are "business as usual."

Go on back to sleep, dream of green meadows with pink flowers and don't have any night mares. The economic downturn will soon go away. 2012 is just another Y2K scam, ignore it. UFOs are swampgas. Extraterrestrials are nothing but the mistaken identity of crash dummies. Strange lights in the sky are nothing but weather baloons. Holes in the ozone are due to hairspray. The International Bankers have the good of all at heart. 911 was exactly as our honest government advertised. Everyone must have at least two operations in their lifetime -- tonsils and appendix. Jolly King George was a Christian, you know, wth a mission from God. Borned again. Like John the Baptist, the precursor of the Divine King. Obama is the Savior of all mankind. Christ in blackface. The Pharmaceutical Industry is your healer. War is justified if God is on your side. There is no other way to run the world except by oil, coal, nuclear, solar, wind and biofuels. Credible scientist say that energy from the quantum potential is presently impossible. The Oil Industry only promotes ecologically sound principals because they only have the good of the earth and her children at heart. Your in good hands with ALL STATE. BUY NATURE FRESH MILK. You should turn in your neigbors to the authorities if they seem wierd or demonstate peculiar or un-American behavor that questions the status quo. Always be sure to keep up your spending to help the economy. Take advantage of all sales, but only buy the BEST. Good and better is not the American way. And whatever you do, keep borrowing money. And go to church on Sunday so you won't have to burn in hell forever. Always put forth your nicest countenance and be agreeable with those in designated authority. If you want to be a CEO, be sure to show no sentiment to your fellow workers and always turn them in if they do anything wrong. Be a good American and be sure to buy lots of fireworks on the fourth of July to prove it. And be the first on your block to sacrifice your child to MOLOCH to assure our countries best interests. God is angry and jealous and wrathful, you know and demands lots of blood.

(just in case anyone is taking this seriously -- it is a piece of tongue in cheek humor -- just so you will know and not form a mob and go on Jihad or start a pogrom) Surely my brothers and sisters in ULC are above that ...... hmmmm ...... unless, of course, some of you despise humor. uh oh. EVEN MORE FRIGHTENING are those who think I am serious!

namaste. I see God in all of you. The real Almighty God of love, peace, light and life.

Stay tuned for some really good information that will help you to understand 2012 a little clearer. 5 recent scientific discoveries that you may not know about yet concerning our solar system's origin and its place in relationship to the Milky Way Galaxy. This is why many scientists are concerned.

Nestingwing, your tone betrays a certain frustration. Perhaps it is more important to you that others accept your viewpoint than you have let on.

Your mocking of another member's screen name is disturbing, not to mention petty. Do you suppose that screen names are supposed to be personal descriptions? Are you a NESTINGWING? What exactly IS a nestingwing? Is it different than a flying wing? Maybe the name fits, though.... are you flighty or maybe just a birdbrain? With a nic like "nestingwing" I wouldn't go around making fun of others. (my apologies to the moderators)

Propaganda? PROPAGANDA!? It is curious that the VAST majority of the world's scientists regard global warming as a FACT, but where is the worldwide consensus amongst the scientific community that 2012 will bring any of the things you predict? As I have stated before, I am NOT an authority on the 2012 topic but I am surprised someone who appeared to me to be so lucid could possibly call global warming "propaganda!" Wow. You're not related to George W. Bush are you?

Honestly, nestingwing, I agree the Mayans didn't predict world catastrophy but many of YOUR comments give that impression. In this very post you talked of islands disappearing under the waves. You said the world needed to unite and prepare for this "emergency." That sounds a LOT like an end of the world scenario- for lots of people anyway! Granted, you didn't say it would be the end for EVERYBODY but certainly very extensive loss of life.

Forgive me sir, but you are beginning to sound like a crazed doomsayer.... I hope I am wrong.

dats me, a crazed doomsayer.

namaste.

[nestingwave]

Your mocking of another member's screen name is disturbing, not to mention petty. Do you suppose that screen names are supposed to be personal descriptions? Are you a NESTINGWING? What exactly IS a nestingwing? Is it different than a flying wing? Maybe the name fits, though.... are you flighty or maybe just a birdbrain? With a nic like "nestingwing" I wouldn't go around making fun of others. (my apologies to the moderators)

I guess conclusion pole vaulting is the game of the hour. No, my friend, I have ultimate respect for all Star Lords and that is an EXCELLENT screen name, as I already stated. Poking fun is not "making" fun of. Fun is just fun. Hey, I might even change me screen name to "NESTINGWING." Love it. What is a nestingwing?" --- a bird brain with a mylar cap who loves home sweet home.

namaste.