Gnostic Bishop

I hear you and was thinking of the tobacco scientist who turned whistle blower. People still grow tobacco knowing that they are producing a crop that kills people. I think that they should find another cash crop. Perhaps cannabis as it has proven to be a lot less harmful. Tobacco as an issue here is a lot different than cars which also kill a lot of people. In this case, I would not recommend that auto workers find a new trade. I know you will see this as me splitting hairs but I see a value in a car and none in tobacco. Regards DL

So we should just ignore Honor killing, FGM and men selling their children as child brides or stoning gays and fornicators. No thanks. For evil to grow, all we need do is ignore the fire and let it grow. Sure it will eventually die but might take a lot of cities with it as it leaves. Regards DL

?? So if you see your neighbor beating his wife and kids, and you think you should bash and flame such activity, would you rise above criticizing it and just walk away? What if he is a pedophile about to do some kid? Regards DL

Is, --- the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, --- subjective or objective? It is the only moral tenant that I have yet to put into the subjective category. Regards DL

"I am making my own study of all these Nag Hammadi Scriptures" I am pleased that you will study our myths but if you cannot get the fact that they are myths out of your head and expect to find a supernatural god then you may as well just end your studies right now. You will be wasting your time and miss the main message that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. You cannot be a brethren to a supernatural Jesus. You can only be a brethren to a natural man if you believe that you are in the image of Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5-6 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, Note --- Man Christ Jesus. Not God Christ Jesus. Regards DL

Wise words and I agree that we have a deep cause (and purpose) in attacking the more vile parts of religions and their misogynous and homophobic gods. If non-believers ignore those immoral gods and religions, then we forget that for that for evil to grow, all good men need do is nothing. Good men will attack the immorality of the mainstream religions and try to kill Yahweh and Allah. Regards DL

A logic trail is something that is followed to a logical conclusion. Such a trail always proves itself as a fact. That is why religions hate it so much. Martin Luther ---- “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.” “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.” Regards DL

You are basically speaking of low key and personal Inquisitions and Jihads. Do not expect Inquisitions or Jihads to end until the immoral religions like Christianity and Islam are outlawed for their poor moral positions and tenets. Regards DL

Strange that you do not see that as Jesus and you both being above the pettiness that Yahweh is shown to have in scriptures. Would you really want a genocidal son murdering Yahweh leading you? I doubt it. Regards DL

You belong to god. Slave owners own people. Jesus did nit teach in temples primarily because his message was anti religion. He said that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. It was just a man invented tool. From that, we can extrapolate Jesus saying that religions were made for man and not man for religions. From there we can see Jesus say that god were made for man and not man for a god. God should thus worship man and not man worship a genocidal son murdering god. That is the message Jesus gives us when he took god's power over man away by taking the seat of power and judgement at the right hand of god. Regards DL

At the same time, for a god to give infinite punishment for a finite deed would prove that that god was a vile demiurge who knew nothing of justice. If a theist could see himself in heaven while his friends and family, or even his enemy in that type of hell forever, it would show just how vile and unforgiving he is also. Hardly a man of god that. Regards DL

Do you think that they have cause to bash and flame? Regards DL

Do you see that quality of holding to ones convictions in all the victims of the various Inquisitions? Seems that Christians of those days did not like that unless it matched their convictions. Islam has that same mindset today. Regards DL

Art is important, I agree, but you have forgotten the Pope that went about chopping the genitals from the many statues in the Vatican. Seems not all Popes agree that art is important. Strange though that Popes say that god is in heaven somewhere while their Michelangelo creation painting shows god to in in our right hemisphere of our brains just as Jesus indicated where god resided. Regards DL

Well put. That makes god, the most powerful of all, the worse slacker that there is. That works for following the first commandment of putting no other name but god's as the greatest slacker of all. Regards DL

I was mostly asking if the strong should serve and work for the weak or if the strong should expect the weak to sustain and work for them. Regards DL

Jonathan H. B. Lobl Having a hiccup day my friend? Regards DL

That is odd only if you forget the term as above so below. Who is said to be the stronger? Man or god? Who in your family works for who? Do the strong work for the weak or do the weak work for the strong? In my family the strong serve the weak and the weakest of us expect the strongest to work for them. That is as it should be here below so if god does not follow that good moral position and would expect the weaker to serve the stronger, or us to serve him, then that shows just how immoral god is. Do you agree? Regards DL

Gnostic Christianity has always put man ahead of god. It seems that without the lie of a supernatural god, people are not willing to have a man be god the way the ancients used to do. The Jews have that view as well as their oral tradition can overrule the written Torah and god himself. One of the Jesus' that the church did not silence tells us that that is the right way to think when he said, instead of stoning people on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. I read that as Jesus also saying that religions and gods were made for man and not man for religions as well. Man has forgotten his rightful place as gods master. Regards DL

Absolutely. That is what Gnostic Christianity preaches. In our own way of course. As a Universalist and a free thinking religion, we can think no other way. Regards DL

If you listen to these two presentations, you will find that most of us follow our family tradition, culture and customs and never really choose our Gods in a conscious way. That fact explains why so many theists are so ignorant of their own bible or holy books. I was lucky that although born into Catholicism and going through some of the sacraments, my upbringing, or lack of it, produced a free thinker who actively chose to call myself and practice Gnostic Christianity. Gnostic Christianity seems to suit my personality as well as it is the most moral tradition that I have yet to find and I think that religions should be all about our morals and not just the immoral inherited Gods, Yahweh and Allah, that most follow. Regards DL

Indeed. Regards DL

A great way to dodge question. That is not what your scriptures say but ok. Regards DL

It is good that you recognize the groupish or hivish gene that we all have. That is what is mostly being satisfied by churches and mosques. Why not just admit it without all the lies about the Gods? Why not seek God the way Jesus taught without becoming idol worshipers? That produces mental and moral growth instead of what we see in Christianity and Islam which have settled for immoral demiurges. Why not do the intelligent thing instead of the Idol worship that Jesus condemned? Regards DL

Strange how some non-believers know the scriptures better than theists. Regards DL