cuchulain

Does it name christ specifically, or is it not specific enough to be legitimate prophecy? That's open to interpretation and as such proves itself to be not specific enough. Additionaly, if you cannot produce a copy that predates an event, IT WAS WRITTEN AFTER THE EVENT and isn't really prophecy. It's not missed by us at all that the spirit realm is unprovable...that's the point. Acceptance of something as a fact because it's not been disproven is not an acceptable practice of mine...or yours really, so the argument doesn't hold up. if you really took life like that, you'd believe all sorts of nonsense, and you know it. I disagree that it's attitude about belief...as stated above. Unless you are willing to acknowledge the allfather, zeus, cernunnos, marduk kurios and literally thousands of deities that haven't been disproven? Didn't think so. I appreciate your acknowledgment that it doesn't meet the minimal requirements for us to believe. On the same note, it's also an admission that god could have made it meet those requirements of reason and chose to let us be damned instead...not a loving being, to me. Even as a fictional deity.

I find value to most works, whether i consider them mythology or history. It's just a different kind of value. I personally don't have strong associative ties to the exodus so it falls in the entertainment realm for me.

I was working last night with two guys that both spoke english but were meaning two different things and not realizing it. Once they figured that out it calmed down significantly and they got along fine. I personally feel anyone should be able to speak openly here, so long as it doesn't get personal. It's perhaps difficult to judge another's demeanor online without physical cues, and easy to take words that were meant one way as an attack instead. I try to take a pause if i am offended and see things from as positive a place as i can. And a tip, attacking a person is bad. Debating their point of view isn't. I am very evidence driven, so an appeal to belief isn't going to change my mind...BUT it doesn't have to, either.

Anyone else find it hypocritical that the person who keeps insisting that they have a right to spread their message... keeps trying to get us atheists to stop posting?

Attacks against another members intelligence... allowed by Christian posters. What happened to civility?

I don't think anybody believes you, mieshac, beyond those who already believe. Nothing we haven't heard before... I'd be willing to bet you had equally valid reasoning for the previous predictions of doom that failed to happen.

We just don't have the answers. Guess we should just accept whatever 😂

I prefer not knowing the answer to the question . what is the square root of 63486842 to having the wrong answer just to fill blanks. Not having an answer for some questions doesn't mean the same as having no answers to any questions. When you fill blanks with untested answers you accept them and move on rather than seeking a legitimate as answer...

I had a teacher in high school who taught the Bible as literature. When another kid asked about the Koran, she insisted the Bible would just be literature. Then she had us recite, the whole time yelling hallelujah and amen... This is the insidiousness of the religious. They start small and then walk tall...all over other's rights.

Doesn't your book say to test? But somehow I am wrong for testing? No... that just don't make sense. I am supposed to accept on faith... except I am supposed to test and your book fails the test...oh, another contradiction in the mythology.

Remember bush jr continually asserting wmd we're in Iraq and his opponents pointing out the flaws? Then we .liberated. the Iraqi as if that was the goal? Same thing. If the wmd had been there they wouldn't have stopped showing them on the news to prove it. Instead we got nothing.

I prefer no answers to made up ones.

I was aiming at the conclusion that spirit as defined by christians, unaltered and immortal, simply doesnt exist. Psychology has studied labotomies thoroughly. They alter the entire persona, everything survivors have said points to an alteration at their basic level, or what christians continually define as the soul. I thought erroneously that being subjected to basic facts would shine a light on this myth of a soul. What can i say? I been working a lot of hours and wasnt thinking about the automatic bs factory that kicks in when opposing true facts collide with the bible. My bad 😁

Like much of the Bible...

I think you have no evidence about spirit to compare either... how do you compare a person's spirit before and after a labotomy when you can't identify it in the first place.

Surely you see the irony in first complaining that you have original thought that we don't accept...then that you don't accept our original thought because your right and we're wrong? This is what many reference when discussing Christian hypocrisy.

Still waiting to hear about labotomies and how they physically affect spirit ..

Spirit, if it exists, is clearly malleable through physical means. If it were the essence of you and immortal, how would you explain the difference in person when they received a labotomy?

Do insults make you feel superior?

Because in posts where we said christians use terror, you specified you think it means final death instead of bbq...which were you lying about?

Your interpretation is not infallible because you believe it

You assume your perspective to be correct while others are flawed, without the desire to examine your way. That's the definition of arrogant. I will judge anyone who says the Jews got what they deserved. That is a bigotted statement of poor moral character, plain and simple. And if you think you can justify mass murder as you keep attempting you need to reexamine your claim to moral superiority, because you are wrong.

The only thing that makes this forum worth it for me is compatriots and an understanding of lurkers who need exposure to the other side of the debate. Kind of like politicians trying to get the fence sitters.

I find the implication that a group deserved Nazi death camps to be abhorrent at best...and if that is what mieshac supports as a "true Christian" and other true Christian's can't see this needs condemned, there's definitely an issue with moderators here.

Some legit history...macs0647 is 13.6 billion light years away. This means that the time taken for the light from that Galaxy to reach earth is 137000 years .. older than the universe biblically speaking.