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I find the implication that a group deserved Nazi death camps to be abhorrent at best...and if that is what mieshac supports as a "true Christian" and other true Christian's can't see this needs condemned, there's definitely an issue with moderators here.

Some legit history...macs0647 is 13.6 billion light years away. This means that the time taken for the light from that Galaxy to reach earth is 137000 years .. older than the universe biblically speaking.

Scripture is not legitimate history.

If they are allowed to redefine it then eventually they will claim we all have belief in something...oh wait. I have heard that one before...

Me. I will be loaded just as soon as Uncle Sam pays up.

I want to shake Schroedingers box before I open it and see if it meows...

Johnathan...have you heard the good news of Odin?

Agreed. I keep thinking that the atheist perspective needs represented to those reading so it's not too one sided. But I find more and more that posters already have their minds set and merely agree with the position they like or attack the position they don't. There are a few who seem to legitimately have an interest in sharing the board fairly but not enough, and now I find myself examining my own motivation for being here.

Deliberate. And our objection is also within the definition of insane, excepting that may be a mod will eventually catch on to Dan's deliberate baiting.

"I believe you guys are extremely liberal"...see, when I say you either do this on purpose or cannot learn, the reason is because of these statements. You have been told numerous times I am not liberal...yet still, even though you apologized for the assumption in the past, you make it again...and again...and again...and still don't get it. But yeah, clearly nobody else on this board notices the baiting that you constantly provide, even to the point where fellow Christians are telling you that you make false assumptions...

A person makes a mistake. It's pointed out. They apologize. Repeat a dozen or so times. Is it still a mistake or is it obviously deliberate? If it's still a mistake, the person has trouble learning. If deliberate, they are baiting. Which are you Dan?

I live in Georgia. Broken English is the native tongue and I guess I have adapted. Unfortunately the truth...

People with faith are wrong at least as often as anyone else. My father in law is devout. That doesn't keep him from being wrong occasionally. And you keep telling us you don't have enough faith to be an atheist. Clearly your wrong about what we believe, on purpose. Let's face it, nobody is buying the misunderstanding stance when you say we believe nothing, anymore. You've apologized too many times for it to work again.

I got hung up on the age making it true somehow

Some believe wrong answers to be better than none. I'll take truth instead.

Also that the Christian concept is flawed at best.

All Dan's questions are irrelevant to reality. He demands answers as if my lack of them proves his position. It obviously doesn't. My lack of ability to explain the origin of everything doesn't mean his mythology is correct. If he wants anyone to believe it is up to him to convince us, not us to convince him why we don't.

Plenty of religions that are equally false like that.

pretty much replicates...but not quite. By that particular piece of logic, you should fully admit that the bible is NOT inspired of God, because it has clearly been altered over the centuries.

Two parts of the Bible that disagree? Yep... contradictory.

Christians often say god only gives you what you can bear. Clearly wrong of course. Millions of new borns born with fatal disease, millions with cancer, multitudes killed by 'acts of god'...definitely not immortal.

Through my life, many are the men and women who have proclaimed the truth with thunderous voices. Many are those who expounded wisdom as loudly and often as possible. Many those who proclaimed i did not follow a right path. Many to stand against my choices. "They say the empty can rattles the most'...metallica. I go MY path. It is my truth, my responsibility, my strength in overcoming the notions of those 'empty cans'. I am stronger for the adversity layed in my path. Wiser for the foolishness espoused against me. And clearly the religious fear me to array so strongly against my simple truths.

And that people want to believe. Some are so frightened by the idea of a final death they simply begin denying it is real. Then invent a support system to reinforce that false belief. Then persecute those who don't agree that we are really immortal after all.

There is a similarity to religion and atheism. I know, gasp. Atlanta. Frank has been driven to the park by his parents his whole life, and now he's older and drives himself the same route. It's the route he knows. It's the one his parents said works, the only one. He believes firmly that this is the only way to get to the park. Bob was driven as a child to the park, but now he takes his own way. He researched it himself, found about 20 different ways before he settled on the one he likes, which is short and direct. Alice never really got to the park as a kid, but found out about it later on and decided she wanted to go too. She carpooled with a lot of different people who took different routes before she decided on the one she liked because it had nice scenery. Mary walks butt naked by the moonlight to the park, heck with driving. Phil lives in the park. He wears these weird robes and meditates all the time. Now, Frank and Bob talk pretty regular. They debate the best way to the park. More, they debate the history of the roads of Atlanta, who created those roads, were there paths there naturally that man just sort of paved over or did the city planners create everything from scratch. Frank is pretty pushy about it, he thinks there are no other routes after all and Bob is telling him there are indeed other roads. Some of their debate entails which buildings are on which path. Frank insists that there is a Starbucks on his route, but Bob has researched it and found that the Starbucks is actually a couple of roads over and Frank is wrong. Alice doesn't give a crap about Starbucks, she just likes to look at the trees. She gets tired of hearing Frank and Bob argue on a regular basis, so she determines a new area of the park to sit in so she doesn't have to hear it. Mary is there at night, when nobody else is around. It's a good thing, because nobody really wants to see her naked butt dance in the moonlight. Everyone else agrees that's weird and leaves her alone. Phil likes everybody. He doesn't mind hearing the arguments, and occasionally chimes in to cool things down because he knows Frank and Bob are friends and don't want something as silly as a road to get in the way of friendship. That just spurs Frank to tell Bob that he's using the wrong kind of gas in his car, got the wrong tires, and needs a car wash before going to the park. Probably fairly obvious. Frank is the overzealous know it all Christian who refuses to be wrong even when he is. Bob is the arrogant, somewhat condescending atheist who knows Frank is wrong and just won't admit it, but keeps trying anyway. Alice might be a bit tricky. She's the Satanist who chose her own path because she liked it, and not for anyone else's reasons. Mary is the pagan, most likely Wiccan. Phil be the Buddhist. The park...that's the ending, isn't it? We all die. We all end up at the park by whatever road we choose. The details on the path are pretty irrelevant, unless your Frank, in which case you believe thoroughly that there is only one path anyway and anyone taking a different path is gonna end up in the wrong neighborhood where they have drive by's and shootings and muggings and whatnot. And even Frank doesn't know everything, regardless of wanting to claim he does. But then, Bob goes strictly by the city map. Maybe that map just hasn't been updated. After all they put in new Starbucks on a regular basis, as we all know. But who's the winner? Alice. She chose her own path. She got tired of the bickering and went to a more peaceful corner of the park.

God is good all the time so emulate god. He flooded the world and killed the wicked newborns and babies in utero...so abortion is fine.