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Welcome to the ULC forum! We're glad you could join us! It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives, regardless which Spiritual Path suits your needs. It is our sincerest desire that you find comfort, support and understanding through our many diverse views and discussions. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum! We're glad you could join us! It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives, regardless which Spiritual Path suits your needs. It is our sincerest desire that you find comfort, support and understanding through our many diverse views and discussions. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum! We're glad you could join us! It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives, regardless which Spiritual Path suits your needs. It is our sincerest desire that you find comfort, support and understanding through our many diverse views and discussions. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum! We're glad you could join us! It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives, regardless which Spiritual Path suits your needs. It is our sincerest desire that you find comfort, support and understanding through our many diverse views and discussions. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum! We're glad you could join us! It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives, regardless which Spiritual Path suits your needs. It is our sincerest desire that you find comfort, support and understanding through our many diverse views and discussions. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum! We're glad you could join us! It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives, regardless which Spiritual Path suits your needs. It is our sincerest desire that you find comfort, support and understanding through our many diverse views and discussions. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum! We're glad you could join us! It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives, regardless which Spiritual Path suits your needs. It is our sincerest desire that you find comfort, support and understanding through our many diverse views and discussions. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Thank you Al, I am pleased to be here. I like discovering new perspectives and welcome the ability to work with all of you and grow in my faith and incorporate other view points into my teachings.
May the Prince of Peace overshadow you,
Pete
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Welcome to the ULC forum! We're glad you could join us! It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives, regardless which Spiritual Path suits your needs. It is our sincerest desire that you find comfort, support and understanding through our many diverse views and discussions. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum! We're glad you could join us! It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives, regardless which Spiritual Path suits your needs. It is our sincerest desire that you find comfort, support and understanding through our many diverse views and discussions. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum. It is our sincerest wish you find topics and information useful to your personal search for Spiritual Truth, on whichever path that may be. We hope your time spent with us becomes a true investment in your Self. If you have any question at all, please, just ask! Any of the Moderators or Admins will happy to help. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum. It is our sincerest wish you find topics and information useful to your personal search for Spiritual Truth, on whichever path that may be. We hope your time spent with us becomes a true investment in your Self. If you have any question at all, please, just ask! Any of the Moderators or Admins will happy to help. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum. It is our sincerest wish you find topics and information useful to your personal search for Spiritual Truth, on whichever path that may be. We hope your time spent with us becomes a true investment in your Self. If you have any question at all, please, just ask! Any of the Moderators or Admins will happy to help. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum. It is our sincerest wish you find topics and information useful to your personal search for Spiritual Truth, on whichever path that may be. We hope your time spent with us becomes a true investment in your Self. If you have any question at all, please, just ask! Any of the Moderators or Admins will happy to help. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum. It is our sincerest wish you find topics and information useful to your personal search for Spiritual Truth, on whichever path that may be. We hope your time spent with us becomes a true investment in your Self. If you have any question at all, please, just ask! Any of the Moderators or Admins will happy to help. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum. It is our sincerest wish you find topics and information useful to your personal search for Spiritual Truth, on whichever path that may be. We hope your time spent with us becomes a true investment in your Self. If you have any question at all, please, just ask! Any of the Moderators or Admins will happy to help. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum. It is our sincerest wish you find topics and information useful to your personal search for Spiritual Truth, on whichever path that may be. We hope your time spent with us becomes a true investment in your Self. If you have any question at all, please, just ask! Any of the Moderators or Admins will happy to help. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum. It is our sincerest wish you find topics and information useful to your personal search for Spiritual Truth, on whichever path that may be. We hope your time spent with us becomes a true investment in your Self. If you have any question at all, please, just ask! Any of the Moderators or Admins will happy to help. Blessings of Peace, Al
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When My Faith In Christianity Erodes
Atwater Vitki replied to Raincloud's topic in Stories & Texts Archive
Many of the long term folks here know I have a personal "beef" with the church I grew up in...one that is not an attack on Christianity or the Christ...rather against the group of individuals who choose to interpret the Scriptures one way, yet choose to live another. They covet their neighbor's success and material goods They denounce the Christ through vanity They love themselves while hating others, including their own children They claim in words of the tongue to be what actions of their hearts do not prove I could go on, but I'll spare you all the redundant repetitiveness. I did not know the Christ of the Bible personally some 2000 years ago, but I firmly believe in what I have gleaned of his message through multiple sources, including the Bible, the writings of the Essenes, various Dead Sea Scrolls and even the few Roman "mentions". I even read a book once, written in the 1890's that compared the 12 main 'under-gods' of the Nordics to the Disciples, Thor to Christ and Odhinn to "God"....while it was interesting reading, I highly doubt a pantheon that existed for at least three millennia prior to Christ had anything to do with the author's interpretations. Does anyone else here see the very ideology of debating the merits of a particular meaning of a given passage of scripture supportive of the very title of this topic? Raincloud stated "...my belief that Christianity is the only way is eroded when..." and then gave examples from Right Wing Politics to the abusive oligarchy of religion being the cause for his lack of confidence in the claim that Christianity is the only way to God. I honestly believe the conflicting interpretations of things like Isaiah 53 being about Israel or an individual is exactly what Raincloud was referring to.....if there is no consensus on a trivial matter like that then what does the rest of the doctrine and dogma mean? I think Rev. Rainbow summed it up extremely well: No one doubts Yeshua was a Jew and most will accept Paul as being the father of Christianity as they do Abraham the grand-father of Judaism. And so it should be when those who are raised or studied in a culture should be accepted at their conclusions when describing the context and creative footnotes of a language they are well versed in. If one were to take the kennings of the Nordic skald literally, Uff da!, what a picture of the Old World we would have*. i.e; Ride the sea stallion forth into Ymir's clouds, There wilst thou find Loki's folly.** Anyone with even a very limited education in etymology or philology (language, not quips from Dr. Phil), such as myself, knows there are often words not directly translatable between languages. Focusing examples of acceptance, love and forgiveness can, and does, change a person's heart from "not wanting to hear it" to "embracing Christ's gift" to all ... whether they accept a particular interpretation as their "salvation" or not. Where is the focus here? Blessings of Peace, * I've also read that original Chinese word (1st Empire) for dragon (fuen-che-huong-teu-wo)[sp?] came from a compilation of words meaning "fears of the mind"...and when we look back on historical accounts from every corner of the globe....that makes sense. Later emperors simplified it to "long". Language so often gets in the way of what our hearts are trying so desperately to describe. ** Would you even consider that such words from the Mälmo Codex to mean (in essence): "Take to the ship of your mind (thoughts and dreams) and there you will find (Truth)"? Or, very simply "Contemplate truth and it will reveal itself"! -
Welcome to the forum! We're pleased you decided to join our growing family of friends and ever so look forward to getting to know you. We're always happy to have new perspectives that give us all something to ponder. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the forum! We're pleased you decided to join our growing family of friends and ever so look forward to getting to know you. We're always happy to have new perspectives that give us all something to ponder. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the forum! We're pleased you decided to join our growing family of friends and ever so look forward to getting to know you. We're always happy to have new perspectives that give us all something to ponder. Blessings of Peace, Al
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When My Faith In Christianity Erodes
Atwater Vitki replied to Raincloud's topic in Stories & Texts Archive
Diana mentioned Justin Martyr and Pete's link detailing how the Jewish scholars interpret Isaiah are both enlightening. I'm going to take the "authorities" interpretation as being valid...Isaiah is talking about Israel, not Yeshua...I don't think it is they who have changed the wording. Paul on the other hand...you betcha.....you don't set out to peter the world without changing a few things around. I still can't get away from the view that Yeshua was merely attempting to get the Jewish priesthood to change their views about the full, inner meaning behind the Torah and Tanakh being what he was about, not creating a new religion. To see it as hope, peace and love of "God" rather than the pain and suffering portrayed verbally at the time. Creating the "new religion" was totally Paul's mission. If modern day Christianity needs to so desperately justify itself then imho it should be done righteously, not by insisting that the authors of another nation's religion do not know how to interpret their own writings. Oh, but then again geesh how silly of me...it was the Black Robes of the Church of England that informed the Vikings in 950-1050CE they had it all wrong about their gods, sagas and codex too...."the son of the Eternal One" written about in 450 BCE wasn't referring to Odhinn at all, rather the WASP "Jesus"...will it ever end? Funny, the Nordic authors of the Mälmo Codex had no idea about this "other version/person" 450 years prior to the birth of the Christ, proclaimed by 11th century monks to be what it "really meant"...amazing how that time machine works. Putting things in context and historical time-line it simply makes no sense at all that the "Messiah" can be referenced everywhere, across every era in history all at once and that every nation outside of a given area all refer to the same person...I don't think it was the ancient authors who "changed" anything, rather modern day hopefuls that want us to believe they can interpret better than the authors. Just doesn't fly in my book. I don't think anyone is getting "converted" here Dan...at least not by the evidence produced so far. Blessings of Peace, -
Welcome to our little family of friends here at the forum! I hope you will give us the opportunity to get to know you better and look forward to your contributions to the many discussions. It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives and new ideals to throw in the mix. Blessings of Peace, Al
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When My Faith In Christianity Erodes
Atwater Vitki replied to Raincloud's topic in Stories & Texts Archive
Raincloud - I too have been following this topic and most here know my views are anything but "mainstream". I too have read the varied writings of the Essenes, most of the content of the Dead Sea Scrolls and many other religious texts. I can (and have) made a 20+ point list of things "taken" from early paganism and injected directly into the Empiric Religion of Constantine and later Popes. Looking at religious leadership in much the same way I view our political leadership; "if they don't know what they're doing"....what are they doing leading? Throughout history we have the horror stories of the killing and torture of "non-Christians" by the Christians and "infidels" by the Muslims from Dark Ages witch hunts to the Inquisitions to contemporary ignorance and bloodshed....how can I be a part of any of that? All I know is that Yeshua was a real person who was inspired by and through his God given love of others. Buddha and Mohamed both a change of heart and the many deities within the Gita's reflect the best and worst of mankind. I don't believe that today, 1500-2000 years after the fact, we can truthfully know 100% for sure what any of the "Prophets" said in person to others. I do however believe the concepts of what they taught live on. There's a wealth of great info above, especially that of finding your own path and the heck what others think of it. Sometimes a person heart just knows what rings Truth to it and nothing else be said. The Christ spoke in parables for a reason but he also acknowledge when a person's heart simply knew what was right for it....follow your heart and let all else fall by the wayside. Blessings of Peace, -
Welcome to our little family of friends! We hope to hear more from you soon. Blessings of Peace, Al