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Welcome to our family of friends. We're glad you could joins us! Regardless if you are well established in a traditional religious path or struggling to find something less mainstream, we're sure you'll find what you seek here. We are a “blended family” of all Beliefs, all Faiths and all manners of seeking Truth. We hope you'll share your views with us soon! Blessings of Peace, Al
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Hymn (Song) And Artist
Atwater Vitki replied to VonNoble's topic in Creative Expression & Cultural Arts
I heard awhile back at a friends funeral....I don't think there was a dry eye in the gathering...it was played on a loop while the attendees viewed the open casket.I will def use it at my next funeral because of the feelings it instills. Blessings of Peace, Here is a bio on the musician, -
Legal Paperwork For "handfasting Rite" Of Marriage
Atwater Vitki replied to ManangCam's topic in Legal Questions
Rev. Cam - Handfasting is merely the ceremony and nothing more be done in California than filing the simple paperwork the County Clerk requires in the county the couple gets their license in. THIS is the closest ceremony I can find to the one I am familiar with and have performed in Northern California. The only real difference in my ceremony is the holding of hands, crossed between facing bride and groom "X"'d, grooms right hand to brides right and left to left creating the Infinity symbol before "tying the knot"....the ceremony mentioned only has bride hold groom one hand as they stand. This is done prior to the placing of rings and after. Hope this helps a bit. Blessings of Peace, -
A Case For Disposing Of Virginity As A Life Marker
Atwater Vitki replied to kokigami's topic in Philosophy & Theory
In some circles she would have been considered a "Sl- to the -ut" in others simply a "Loosie", but in all circles she was considered a drop dead gorgeous gal who really enjoyed popping dudes cherries. By my sophmore year it was rumored she deflowered "more than 100" guys at Davis, but I only have first hand knowledge of three, possibly a fourth. At her 10th reunion (my 8th) she showed up with her hubby of 8 or 9 years that was from So.Carolina and an Navy Ltjg. and showed off pictures of their 4 kids. The last I heard 3-4 years ago (from her brother) she was still east coast, still married to the sailor and a grand mother many times over and great grandma twice. "Representative sampling" or not I'm sure in every high school there were guys and gals who had reputations they did not deserve and others who should have been seen for what they really were. Regardless, losing one's virginity is something I don't believe anyone forgets. Blessings Be, -
A Case For Disposing Of Virginity As A Life Marker
Atwater Vitki replied to kokigami's topic in Philosophy & Theory
Unwilling? I lost my virginity very young to the "Virgin Killer" of Davis High School in Modesto. At the time she was the gf of a friend of mine and they had a huge fight, breaking up...she asked me to walk her home...and once there...well let's just say I didn't argue or complain. Ever since I've always tried to remain a "gentleman" and allowed the gal to set the mood for when the time was "right". Nearly every time they have been the initiator, not me. While societal norms may say one thing, it's fairly clear to me that societal reality is another. Respecting when a gal says "No!" is honorable for any man. But what dude says "No!" when a gal they are with says "Now!"? So far, I have yet to meet the fella that has. That is yet another double standard in this controversy. Blessings of Peace, -
Welcome to our little family of friends. While we represent a very diverse array of Beliefs our greatest purpose is to spread a message of Universal Peace through those Beliefs. We sincerely hope you'll join us in doing so. May your day be blessed, your vision be true and your path unobstructed. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to our little family of friends. While we represent a very diverse array of Beliefs our greatest purpose is to spread a message of Universal Peace through those Beliefs. We sincerely hope you'll join us in doing so. May your day be blessed, your vision be true and your path unobstructed. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to our little family of friends. While we represent a very diverse array of Beliefs our greatest purpose is to spread a message of Universal Peace through those Beliefs. We sincerely hope you'll join us in doing so. May your day be blessed, your vision be true and your path unobstructed. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to our little family of friends. While we represent a very diverse array of Beliefs our greatest purpose is to spread a message of Universal Peace through those Beliefs. We sincerely hope you'll join us in doing so. May your day be blessed, your vision be true and your path unobstructed. Blessings of Peace, Al
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A Case For Disposing Of Virginity As A Life Marker
Atwater Vitki replied to kokigami's topic in Philosophy & Theory
Seeker - I agree with you in principle on the over all article, but disagree that virginity has never been or is currently relative to "the commodification of women". I base my appraisal in part on the author's statement "not being pure when you marry in many societies brings shame and dishonor to your family"....because that is very true. Even my very religious parents created my sister before they were married and that caused a huge bruhaha in the community in 1943...one that caused them to move to California from Connecticut...but..."they LOVED each other and father was going off to war" and they stuck together 63 years...so I guess they did have a bond of honorable "love" when having my sister. I wasn't a virgin when I married the first time nor was my wife, but we live in the US and nobody I know was a virgin either when they married. In my travels around the world I did witness many of the cruelties the author mentioned being taken out on women and girls...many times by their own father or brother and as a matter of familial "honor". IMHO, they were nutz, crazy stupid for allowing some ancient command from an unseen deity dictate their actions in todays society, but hey, that's their baggage to deal with in the next realm. I also agree that this article does more to incite the issue than offer any constructive solution...in fact...almost sounds like it may have been written by a sexually shamed modern woman...pardon my direct reference and does not indicate my feelings towards modern women in general. Frankly, I feel that sex, like our religious or spiritual relationship, is something personal to each individual. What other people think we should or shouldn't do is none of their business. How I feel towards the issue may be completely different than other men and women alike, but should be left up to them how they choose to act or not act upon their own views of virginity. So Koki....what was your intention on discussing this article? Blessings of Peace, -
How Long And How Much Music
Atwater Vitki replied to VonNoble's topic in * Welcome - ULC Minister's Introduction Junction *
The one hour mark was common in most of the Lutheran/Evangelicals I grew up in, 3-4 hymns throughout service, one while collection of tithes and yep, 25-30 min. sermon. I've been to one 2 hour service in the SF Bay Area at a Methodist Church and could barely hear the sermon above the snoring the last hour or so. I never went back. My Church of Universal Humanism, is a bit different as we combined the Call, Rede, Workings and Obligation (see below) into more of an afternoon and evening of celebration, especially since families come from rather long distances (1-2 hr drives). This includes the food service (bbq/potluck), activities for adults and kids, and on special occasions, blade and shield exhibitions. As well, since there are 3 Vitki's of the two dozen or so members, we alternate locations....being small has it's advantages, and yes, disadvantages. My opinion is the Pastor, Minister, Priest, Vitki or Drighten should provide what each congregation desires. Of course that means risking turning a bit of authority over to those under the leader, but if done correctly should be a positive and earnest end result. Blessings of Peace, Call = greeting and statement regarding the official start of proceedings, and at end closing of event (5-10 minutes) Rede = reading of announcements, selected Edda stanzas, the "message" of stanza(s) analyzed by Vitki/Membership (open discussion), new rune/majik formulas offered by Erulians (45-60 minutes) Workings = rune casting, majik Works and various activities (20-45 minutes) Obligation = instead of tithing this is the bringing of food for the "feast", exchanges of hand made crafts, tools etc. for individuals and/or the Hof at large (the Obligation is done as a "break" between the actual 'service' and the 'feast' a time of socializing and exchanges) (Funding for major events takes place all year long) Closing Call = a short "benediction" -
Welcome to the forum! It is our sincerest wish that you find the Peace and Happiness we all do in sharing our diverse Beliefs. We hope you'll find your way around through the many topics of your interest. Should you have any questions or help, please do not hesitate to ask. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the forum! It is our sincerest wish that you find the Peace and Happiness we all do in sharing our diverse Beliefs. We hope you'll find your way around through the many topics of your interest. Should you have any questions or help, please do not hesitate to ask. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum! We're glad you could join us! It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives, regardless which Spiritual Path suits your needs. It is our sincerest desire that you find comfort, support and understanding through our many diverse views and discussions. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum! We're glad you could join us! It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives, regardless which Spiritual Path suits your needs. It is our sincerest desire that you find comfort, support and understanding through our many diverse views and discussions. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum. It is our sincerest wish you find topics and information useful to your personal search for Spiritual Truth, on whichever path that may be. We hope your time spent with us becomes a true investment in your Self. If you have any question at all, please, just ask! Any of the Moderators or Admins will happy to help. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to the ULC forum. It is our sincerest wish you find topics and information useful to your personal search for Spiritual Truth, on whichever path that may be. We hope your time spent with us becomes a true investment in your Self. If you have any question at all, please, just ask! Any of the Moderators or Admins will happy to help. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Von- how spooky to be completely illiterate in any sense. Thankfully only for a few moments! I know what ya speak of though, had another crazy one last night. Blessings Be,
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Welcome to the forum! We're pleased you decided to join our growing family of friends and ever so look forward to getting to know you. We're always happy to have new perspectives that give us all something to ponder. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Now that to me is just a bit of a power trip and it's no wonder we have so many priests getting into trouble with physical deeds and actions. Being a "stand-in" for Christ, with the full authority of the Church behind them....has to be a bit of a mind-blower and ego boost. As we know from headlines over the past decade or so, a situation where a juvenile or troubled mind would certainly have difficulty reigning in their emotions and physical actions. And btw, it's not just the church, it's also in the midst of my Belief as well, and, I'm sure others also. I know at least three Vitkis and Drightens who honestly believe they are Odhinn or Mimir rebirthed as well and at moots certainly act like it. They buffalo their way through life just like any other bully that has "authority" behind them.... and that is the spooky part regarding this whole issue to me.... Any time anyone has authority over others, in both the secular and religious world, and that authority is not tempered by honest and mature intentions and actions, others will suffer under the crush of a tyrant. Blessings of Peace,
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Well the only point or object d'thinking on why I bring this up is: Why then do the Christian Churches insist that only Holy forgiveness of sin and salvation come THROUGH Jesus Christ? It just seems to me that if a priest can "absolve" you of your sins in an "emergency" they are stepping into the role of the Christ. Ergo.....well you know where I'm going. The mere fact this little "loophole" exists at all tells me something is amiss in the whole "One Way to Salvation" concept. This is just one more reason, of the many, I am convinced that mainstream religion created "God", pinned our need to follow a "Messiah" (in a certain way) on authoritative control freaks and attempts to void the entire process of Self being the highest authority, here, in our physical life. Even though I can only count on a couple of fingers the places where Odhinn, or any other of the Nordic Pantheon mentions a "Creator" (in all codex, saga and lore) it convinces me that Belief and Faith are separate issues. This validates for me the personal and individual manner of finding the "right" or "correct" path to the Omniscient. "Love each other" and "Do that which is Right" keeps coming back to the core of the entire "correct religion" charade....regardless of which path people choose. Is "God" our conscience or is conscience our "God"?? Methinks it is a two way street. Blessings of Peace,
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Welcome to our little family of friends here at the forum! I hope you will give us the opportunity to get to know you better and look forward to your contributions to the many discussions. It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives and new ideals to throw in the mix. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to our little family of friends here at the forum! I hope you will give us the opportunity to get to know you better and look forward to your contributions to the many discussions. It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives and new ideals to throw in the mix. Blessings of Peace, Al
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Welcome to our little family of friends here at the forum! I hope you will give us the opportunity to get to know you better and look forward to your contributions to the many discussions. It's always a pleasure to meet new people, thus new perspectives and new ideals to throw in the mix. Blessings of Peace, Al