Bro. Hex

This is a bit off-topic, but I will ask it anyway, as we are talking about Pagans. Is there a difference between Pagan and Heathen? Is one/either of these terms considered a pejorative (by those who practice same)? Are they both "religions"?

iT DIDN'T. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AND IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN FLUX. SOME SEE THIS FOREVER-EXISTING REALITY AS GOD HIM/HER/IT/SELF.

Quote (BpCorey): " ...the Roman church is not Christ-like anymore... plus I am an Orthodox bishop, not Roman" I think I know what you are saying here Bp Corey, but I think I better ask... just in case. What do YOU consider to be the difference between being Roman and being Orthodox? I pretty well understand the Roman Church, but I am vague on the Orthodox. Is the principal difference that the Roman Church has a Latin litany for its rituals whereas the Orthodox use a Greek litany ?? Is there more ??

I just want to say Thank You, "Rev Swampy" for bringing this topic back to the fore. I like to refresh my memory from time to time as to the facts of our origins. Like yourself, I was drawn to the Ministry of Kirby Hensley and his Universal Life Church by those interview articles that appeared in Time and Newsweek way back in 1969.

Can I loan you "mine" ?? I'm ready for it to be over, but it's not ready to depart.

Thanks, Frank! Call me a cynic, Josh, but that is an assumption I am not inclined to make. It would be helpful to hear from Andre in this regard.

You must be a real sleuth to have even found this much of a "claim", Fawz... I spent 10 minutes on their website actively LOOKING for this claim, and never found it! I am impressed, Josh... I didn't know you could look up stuff like that. In any event..."It ain't Modesto" ! * Sarasotta address

What does "8141 Misty Oaks Blvd, Sarasota, FL" have to do with anything??? I am not following this (well, not beyond sussing out that this is a new group of "rip-off artists" trading on the name of the ULC-Modesto). These jokers want folks to believe that they ARE the Modesto ULC, not that their founder (whoever that is) got ordained by ULC Modesto and is now starting a competition web "business". My intuition tells me that these jokers don't even have a rented post office box in Modesto... much less a physical presence.

A real pleasure to make your acquaintance !!

Point taken ! ;>)

This is a bit off-topic, Rev Rattler, but inasmuch as every post that you make (these days) ... including this topic (that you introduced) all contain the following subscript, I feel that this is "as good a place as any" to address the statement that you keep repeating. Here is the subscript that I am referring to: The 5 points of Christian Universalism: The Universal Fatherhood of God The spiritual authority and leadership of His Son Jesus Christ The trustworthiness of the Bible as containing a revelation from God The certaintity of just retribution for sin The final harmony of all souls with God. The reason that I am raising this subject is a simple one. As a Christian and a Universalist, I am exceedingly uncomfortable with dogma of any kind, and with four of your dogmatic points in particular. Of the five "points" ("articles of faith") that you repeatedly list, I reject the first four out-of-hand as being incompatible with my Christian Universalist faith. Only point number five do I not immediately reject... and that is most likely because I have no idea what it really means.

Peter, I want to second Murph's words, and to let you know that MANY of us here count your participation in our little forum as "quite a blessing".

Me too, Brother Harlan

I salute you folks for this endeavor. It really matters a lot to me and to our 4 footed friends

I like your "take" on such things, Qryos, It is not necessarily "what I believe"... but it IS pretty much what I WANT to believe to be true.

Me too.

Io Saturnalia !!

I was thinking along the very same lines, Windwalker... I think that "Jackels" would be a good analogy!

Good point, Josh! But, on the other hand, I always thought that WWJD was short for What Would Jesus DRINK??? And I assumed the answer most frequently given would be Red Table Wine ???

YAY !!! Reminds me of a REALLY CUTE cartoon I just saw somewhere of a middle-age couple getting dressed up for some formal affair: she sez: "Do I look fat?" and he answers: "Do I look stupid?" Circle all you want to, Dan, but come in for an occasional landing!

Thanks, Peter. I should have read your post before posting myself.I was only able to offer conjecture, whereas you have provided something more substantial.

The author of that quotation, Bahá’u’lláh, born in 1817, died in 1892 at the age of 74. English was not likely to have been his primary language (born in Tehran, Iran and died in Palestine). It is quite possible that "Wert thou" was typical of the only variety of spoken English with which the author (Bahá’u’lláh) was familiar.

I don't want you to go Dan. Please reconsider. Your friend, Hex

He will be with you, Joe, always...

Prayers and blessings headed their way... and your way too, Neks