Jonathan H. B. Lobl

That is not where I was going. The world has had enough attacking. What we have to do is -- stop. Just stop. No more attacking and no more persecutions. No more attacking people for what they believe. No more attacks for what people don't believe. Just stop. We need to take a few deep breaths and let it go. As for killing Yahweh and Allah -- No. We can not kill an idea. What we can do is stop feeding the idea -- much like not feeding a fire. The Gods will die, only if we stop feeding them. Religion thrives on persecution. Your way will keep them alive forever. A man who spends his life fighting evil will never have peace. Will never focus on the Good. This is a basic component of reality, embodied in physics. "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." What we don't need is an endless war between the forces of religion and anti-religion. It is hard to let go of anger. It is hard to let go of self righteous rage. It is hard to let go of resentment. Just let it go. There is no killing of the Gods. Focus on reality. They will fade away, if we let them.

Alas, yes. Deep cause. My concern is that the world does not need a new ideological battleground for revenge and counter revenge. It is too easy to imagine a new anti-religion movement, when belief in God is regarded as a contagious mental pathology. I can imagine such a movement as State ideology. This would be an awful development. Simple Atheism is no threat to anybody. Anti-theism is, by it's nature, reactive. The harder that believers push religion on the unwilling -- the more the unwilling and other disbelievers will push back. "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." It is the believers who are fueling and generating Anti-Theism. Such is the blindness of "faith." Note please, that I make a strong distinction between non-belief and dis-belief. Non-belief is Atheism. A simple lack of belief. Disbelief is what the Anti-Theists have. It is a distinction that the faithful continue to get seriously wrong. As a further clarification, I prefer the use of "Agnostic" as a self label. It is a fine nuance, but I like it. People are willing to kill because they "believe." Others are willing to kill because they "disbelieve." I never heard of anybody killing because "they didn't know." Agnosticism is about "not Knowing." It sidesteps the issue of "belief." It is possible to have a rational discussion about what we "know." About "belief," not so much.

Many messengers. Not one. It is possible to be good without God. Sometimes, much easier.

No harm done. We can do a little hair splitting. Atheism is a simple lack of belief. I think the word you had in mind was anti-theists. Very different. It's the antitheists that bash and flame.

Jealousy is all about being needful. "I am the Lord your God. You will have no other gods before me, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God ......."

The Atheists of my acquaintance are already inclined to charity and good works. Why assume otherwise?

There is no virtue in putting the needs of real people behind the needs of God. Putting aside the question of God's existence; what needs does God have that God should come first? Aside from jealousy, pettiness, spite, etc.

To me, the photos look like standard Kirlian photography. In this, they are not at all unusual. Certainly not proof of anything "Christian" or "Holy Spirit."

You are asking me if I believe that God is immoral. That seems a trick question. I would first need to believe that God is real.

What an odd turn of phrase. "God's Master." It brings to mind the old joke of Jewish Atheism. "There is no God and we are his people."

You are submitting a copy of a painting as "proof?"

Many things seem real when we dream. Then we wake up.

What an odd turn of phrase. "God's Master." It brings to mind the old joke of Jewish Atheism. "There is no God and we are his people."

Yes. We have eyes and minds and the ability to build on discoveries. Your point?

It's a cruel and foolish God that makes people smart enough for Atheism.

Is that what happened? We can't compete with Facebook?

Bees see further into the ultra-violet spectrum than we can. Humanity did figure it out.

I have heard way to many religious people talk about putting God first. It almost defines the Abrahamic religions.

Why are you here, on this board? If you think this is a good place to get a following, you are mistaken. Others have tried. I remember some of them. The avatar, the Messhiarch, others. They failed and wandered off, or got banned. So will you.

I understand your perspective. God is good because God said that God is good. At least,the Scriptures say that God is good. No matter how evil God's actions are; as stated in those same scriptures.

Where even to begin? Keep up the good work Dan. You are doing much more for Atheism than I am.

We seem to have lost the topic again. This thread was about Atheism. What is an Atheist evangelist? Aside from an Atheist being out of the closet, what does the term actually mean? Is there supposed to be something wrong with that?

It's sad, but I think this has more to do with human nature than any one religion. "My religion, your superstition."

Maybe. Dan does use a lion for an avatar. Think Narnia. It is God sybolism

There is no mission statement because there is no mission. Neither is there "atheist's belief." It is lack of belief. "Fanatics?" I think you have Atheism confused with "anti-theism." They are not the same.