VonNoble

You are correct. I do not want to accidentally be that guy so I thank you for providing me with an angle that did not occur to me. conversely all of life lessons are not on sanitized situations. Frequently they are painful and traumatic. Drunks lose families homes and jobs. Survivors of any horrid circumstance sometimes pull out courage Long lain dormant. We don’t thank the hurricanes or the enemy shooting at us... maiming us or raping us....but there is no denying the crucible forges us. Most often we would prefer to make it to adulthood and choose our own poison. But we have to play the cards dealt. Horrible and unfair tho that is... no person has a life free of trauma. I feel horrible for your wife and every other child abused. At the samd time by virtue of that fact... I certainly credit them with whatever IN THEM allowed them to rise in spite of it. The circumstances ( human or natural) are the catalyst. Saying that does not note hurricanes or stupidity or cruelty as a good thing.... but an inevitable part of the human experience.... which is not logical or fair. What we become because of it... or do because of it.....can be a legacy ( Mother’s against drunk drivers...Amber alert)..... von

You have a point...but abortions have always been a form of birth control. The mother might have (we din’t know)...she might have thought in her fuzzball mind that somehow she would be a better person (she failed) but that doesn’t mean she fully saw she was making life horrible for the child. Obviously she did not operate with reason. So assuming it was only selfish motives makes mom pretty one dimensional... there were likely opportunities if not urging to kill the baby. It is likely at some moments the child represented hope.... maybe ? Maybe the daughter gave a way forward to the mother? von

And yet - there are two additional pieces to the puzzle (btw, I admire that your wife survived all that - that is a ton of stuff for a kid to overcome) a. The crackhead , prostitute mother - did in fact give life (carried the wife to term) (which beats the alternative) b. the negative (atypical) conditions surely made your wife stronger by virtue of that which did not kill her (she is resilient that wife of yours) Not all challenges are 100% negative. It is that much more to your wife's credit that she did not become her mother sort of - maybe. So the legacy was awful in some ways - but your wife surely became some of what she is because of that legacy - rising against the wind inspire of the odds is a sort of legacy, no? von

I agree. Fun stuff indeed. I’ll work the morning long to get your exit image out of my mind. Thanks for the chuckle. Presumably your family opted not to have a photographer at the birthing? von

Then you agree our actions now carry forward after us? What we do now then therefore matters in the future? von

Interesting. I’m gonna mull that over a bit. Thank you. von

One of the wonderful perks to being on a university campus is getting to attend free lectures. NASA sends folks out colleges to recruit and to promote their programs. When I was in college ages ago - I attended a NASA presentation hosted by "Scotty" from StarTrek. He was well schooled to discuss actual science bu the big draw was the blooper reel from the show never before seen other than on this tour. The current NASA presentation was entertaining but the speakers are actual scientists with a sense of humor. They brought mind blowing photos and artist renderings and actual footage of what is coming and it is astounding. The James Webb Space telescope - which will be launched in 2019 will not orbit earth - but rather shoot out to a distance well beyond our moon. Watching the engineering required to fold (origami style) a telescope bigger than the space craft carrying it..... is a marvel in and of itself. Has anyone checked out the footage online? NASA has lots of info and you will be impressed to see what they have been up to. The new James Webb Telescope will see back in time to infancy of space as we understand it. BTW, you do not have to have a Phd to understand it. Nor is one required to request time for experiments. Time is allotted by peer review. NASA is searching for the best ideas (from anyone) - you have till spring to get your proposals in there. Is anyone else following this story? We have come a LONG way, baby. There is no way to see it and not be impressed in my view. von

In that case there is no longer a need for the word legacy Or the word humankind. Rather fitting to go out the way we came in; with a Big Bang? von

When I was working with very intelligent, witty 86 year old....who knew death was fast approaching she demanded I tell her what to expect. The doctor had assurred her he could manage the pain. She had asked the chaplain not to return to her room ever... she had strong opinions to be sure. One if the case workers thought i might help her her as she was expressing great fear about the process of crossing over. We were in borrowed time so I made my visits short but often. Over the next few hours ...and thankfully days (we got lucky)...she found her own way and her own understanding it it sort of settled on the fact the process didn’t matter all that much.... we determined whatever happened it would be less pain than now.....she had done way more right than wrong and she had won some major victories to help people for a long time to come. she counted up her score herself and decided she had done quite well with her life. Fear went away the last thing she she said was she would see me again....I was at peace with that as was she.... Life with training wheels sort of its a REcycle thing von

Realizing it is okay not to be perfect. Not to be perfect yet. Not worrying about being perfect this time around. Takes off some pressure. While i am far, far, far from perfect - i might be better than I was an hour ago. I might not be in another hour - but at least I see the trail to find my way back to an inch better again. That's all I gotta do. Keep inching when I am able to a teeny bit better. Eventually that one inch will be a habit. Then I can repeat. As long as I need to....much less stressful than other systems in that regard. von

Points to you for honesty....and decorum. von

I agree. We may not control the take away . But we leave a legacy all the same. The more lives you touch with kindness the better the odds kindness stays vibrant into the future. Our names are not required for our impact to carry foreword von

Again if you remove the need to have “credit “ for your legacy..... your impact might still remain well beyond that Christ did not dictate the First Church of Jesus or even the term Christian. The way if life he inspired is his legacy. Buddha did not establish the Buddhist religion. But the philosophy he shared endures. Some may not know either of those names but they are impressed by people who embrace the legacy. von

Ism not sure a person’s name being forgotten negates a legacy exists von

Not by definition. But fun and clever answer... thx. von

I thought if that too. While it might not be an appropriate time to have thoughts about who is attractive....much of the before and after moments are quietly social. An an attractive person remains attractive even when no one comments on it. Happy is not necessarily laughing. It might be content (as in not negative) ( not griping) (not grumpy).....happy at a funeral does not necessarily mean happy the person is dead. It can mean one accepts the passing with grace and understanding. von

Agreed...sometimes it is that too. von

Incidentally....there is the constitution...and there is much more beyond that... von

If it lives on....then it remains alive (a living legacy) von

What we do matters. We each leave a footprint. Employees have come back to me years after leaving the company to share lessons learned. Those lessons given intentionally made a difference. The ones we never knew we gave also matter. You have no idea who’s life you impacted favorably. Yet they were changed. The improved them and all they become because of it is part of your legacy... maybe Those before us known and unknown shape us.... and like it or not part of what follows us -in some way- we affected it von von

Who originates it might be moot. The fact it mattered might not be.... von

I think it might be....the legacy of the framers of the Constitution affects all of us..... von

But people have an impact without ever Waiting to get recognition... heroes can save a life anonymously. I have no no idea who helped my great-grandpa raise my grandad. But I know that someone did... that matters. People saved by firefighters don’t know the name of the hero... or the doctors in ER.... but the remember the impact of the actions. Things don’t have to be on the word stage.... big...spashy -sometimes lives are saved just by quietly giving a darn at the right moment.... maybe von

Okay. In what room (gathered for what purpose) would that not be true? von

Ummmm...maybe not exactly. Good and bad deeds are not offered in equal measure. The vast majority of people perform extreme numbers... more good deeds than bad ones. The law of probability might indicate the chances favor you being remembered for the good ones, no? von