Jonathan H. B. Lobl

Is that what you believe? It must follow, that God does not answer prayer. That means that praying must be useless and futile. Is that what you meant to say?

That's the problem, isn't it? It boils down to belief and faith. Your belief and your faith. Belief and Faith are miserable ways to make a decision -- or live a life. You think this woman was crazy? Would you care to guess what I think? You are both Faith based. Neither one of you has any use for objective reality. That is what defines crazy.

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You introduced this story as a demonstration of faith -- and proof of God's protection of the faithful. Your double standard is showing. If she had real faith? Who determines that? You? God? I know you like to speak for God. This is clearly over the line.

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Alright, Dan. I'm probably going to regret this, but here goes. Evidently, this woman had "faith as a grain of mustard seed." Jesus said, "nothing shall be impossible to you." It looks to me, like she took Jesus at his word. She drove into the opposing lane of traffic. A mere nothing, compared to casting a mountain into the sea -- by faith. Why would she doubt the word of her Lord and Savior? You don't like nuance. All in or all out. Either we take Jesus at his word -- or we don't. I don't. You claim that you do. Well? I keep telling you. I read the Book. I can't quote chapter and verse from memory, the way I used to, but I know what's in there. Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Matthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

That's a problem. We can't tell the difference between faith and stupidity. You were being sarcastic? I couldn't tell. I thought you were making a point.

My mistake. There is a lot of madness to keep track of.

Manslaughter? Maybe cover up. Or conspiracy. I suppose it depends on the D.A. Manslaughter would apply to abortion. Not miscarriage.

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Yes. That was well said.

I read it. It's an interesting, thoughtful piece. Thank you. I'm going to have to think about this.

Scientific facts don't conflict with the bible. You simply prefer theories to the bible. Proper interpretation is not an attempt to harmonize anything, but rather an effort to properly understand what's written. If I interpreted the bible like you do, I wouldn't believe it either. Faith comes from hearing and understanding (Romans 10:17). In Job, Satan is God's servant. Satan does nothing without God's permission -- then Satan follows God's instructions -- Including God's limits. Satan is not God's enemy. Satan is God's District Attorney. God is the judge, who issues the orders and is obeyed by Satan. This is what I find in the Jewish Scriptures. I will heed the New Testament -- when you heed the Koran. Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Aaron Ra -- an Atheist -- speaks about Satan.

Yes.

"If I'm not mistaken, you don't believe Noah's flood was world-wide either?" The Bible is mythology. It is not a source of truth and I do not take a lot of it seriously, on any level. This is not about my personal belief. I read the Bible. I know what the Bible said about the Flood story. The bulk of the Christian world, agrees with my understanding of that story. "You've stated that from a scientific perspective, it wouldn't have been possible." From a scientific perspective, the Flood story is impossible. When science conflicts with the Bible, I go with science. You obviously go with the Bible. Attempting to harmonize them, by this silly cheery picking, is futile. You might like to look up Ken Ham, and Answers in Genesis. That is mainstream Christian Evangelical thought. You seem confused about my belief in the Bible. This is my favorite quote on the subject. "The Bible is equal parts History, Science and Pizza."

Which part of -- not in Judaism -- has you confused?

The Devil? In Judaism? You are misinformed. The accuser -- Ha Satan -- shows up in Job. He is not the Christian Devil.

Dan acts like his own denomination. The obvious example, being this weird doctrine of his, about Noah's flood. That it was a local event, instead of the World wide flood taught by the rest of Christianity. The Bible is literal, except where it isn't. Dan knows which is which.

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There is nothing new about pious fraud.

Actually, traditional Judaism makes a distinction. There is the written Law -- and the Oral tradition. Both came down the mountain with Mosses.

You are correct on both counts. Judaism does not recognize the authority of Jesus or the New Testament. Jews -- at least the Orthodox -- continue to wait for the Messiah. They are not waiting for Jesus. Neither do they see New Testament prophecy in their Scriptures. That is a Christian appropriation (theft). Dan is operating out of standard Christian theology. This states that the Old Testament (Jewish Covenant), has been replaced by the New Testament (Christianity) . For the last 2,000 years, the Jewish world has disdained that theology. This has been a theological stumbling block for Christians. That the people of Jesus, rejected his claims. It has been a rich cause of antisemitism. We should keep this in historic context. Islam claims to be the third Covenant in this sequence. Just as Christianity has replaced Judaism -- Islam has replaced Christianity. You must have noticed. Dan is not concerned with the authority of Mohammed or the Koran. That is how Jews feel about Jesus and the New Testament. The Mormon Church -- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints -- also claims to be the third Covenant. The third Covenant is expressed as "The Book of Mormon" and two others. Of course, there are other groups which build on Christianity. For instance, Christian Science. There are other groups which build on Islam. For instance, B'Hai. Can you see where this is going? Jews look at Christian claims of authority -- and Islamic claims of authority -- and are not impressed. Or interested.

We are talking about a religious faith; that is impervious to external reality. It's too late to bring reason into this. Much too late. They believe.

It's a given that the Christian crazies -- and the Jewish crazies -- have found each other and are working together. For their own agenda. They want the third Temple to go up. On the site of the Temple Mount -- which is the site of the Al Axa Mosque. The most toxic elements, of all three religions, converge at that point. It is the world's deepest rabbit hole. True madness.