Jonathan H. B. Lobl

I understand your point. You think that you can reason with anybody. Alas. You are mistaken. You can not reason with Dan. Dan is not capable of reason. Given a choice between Scripture -- and facts which can be demonstrated to be true -- Dan will go with Scripture. In addition, Dan is not capable of nuance. When any fact does not support his beliefs -- it's wrong or irrelevant. In addition, there is Dan's mission. He is not here for conversation. He is here to correct us. To take us from our error, to the truth of his Faith. Conversation is not possible with Dan, because he speaks for God. When Dan says that we believe in nothing, there is no point in arguing. That is what he believes that we believe -- and there is no arguing with Dan's beliefs. In like manner, when Dan makes his silly statements about science -- it is a reflection of Dan's beliefs about science. Again, there is no persuading Dan that his beliefs are mistaken. As to Scripture, Dan has already stated that not only has Scripture never been proven false -- any of it -- but that it can't be proven false. Any of it. Again, Dan's belief structure. Argue with Dan, about anything, if you must. Truly, it will do no good. His responses are predictable. You will recognize them. He will go on about how easy it is to get us upset. That we hate God. That we hate Scripture. That we hate religion. Of course, Dan's favorite comments -- how closed minded we are. Or -- we have no hope. Arguing with Dan is futile. Truly useless. I can't do it any more. I'm done.

"Our Father who art in Heaven....."

Yes. Of course, there is always a third option. I speak of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Remember, he boiled for our sins.

The Wrong Worship

When Church is Cool

Why we believe.

There used to be a ULC Minister's group. It died. The founder brought it back. I forgot about them. They could be back. There used to be a "Temple of Earth". Last time I looked, the site was on auto pilot. It's been a while since I looked at the Monastery. The last time I looked, the board was gone. I could go back and look. Even if it's there, do you want to work with them? Modesto HQ has nothing. They are still looking forward to the big convention -- in 2005. AintNoGod.com used to be fun. It shut down. If you like, I can root around and search. Atheist Agnostic Humanist Apatheist Secular I'm not optimistic, but I can give it a shot. There seems small point in Interfaith. You know what happens to them. There are Pagan groups. I wish them well, but I don't think they are a good outlet for us. Maybe the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Universal Ministries took down their board. They tried, several times. The Fundies kept taking over. They finally gave up. The Seven Planes is gone. The founder died and the church died with him. The Agnostic Church is gone. The founder couldn't take it any more. He retired. Please, not Redditt. Their reputation precedes them.

Tribal is an option. It's quiet, but maybe we can bring life to it. I was just there. I think we will have to pick a section to focus on. Please, not Facebook. Everything there turns to crap.

Yes, but not often. That board is slow. If you're interested, I can go more often.

It's a weakness of Interfaith. We must tolerate the intolerant; and respect the disrespectful. I have tried the ignore button. It doesn't work.

Dan wants to argue. If we respond, it only feeds the beast. It's time to disengage.

I will not be provoked.

It's just Dan, pushing our buttons, looking for an argument.

Just so.

Yes. The arguments never stop. Time to disengage. Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations It is time to let go of Scripture and Faith and other childish things. 1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

You are still confused by domain. Agnostics don't know. Atheists don't believe. Apatheists don't care. Come on, Dan. It's not that complicated. When you learn to hear what I'm saying -- instead of what you think I'm saying -- It will be much easier to understand.

Yes. As Apatheists, we have nothing to argue about. God simply doesn't matter. No arguments about faith. No arguments about knowledge. Even the question doesn't matter.

Religion vs. Reality I couldn't resist.

Earth is not the center of everything.

From Aaron Ra.

According to the Bishop Usher calculations; the Creation began in 4004 B.C. Just over 6,000 years.

A look at modern Creationism.