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Clickbait nonsense! See https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-beautiful-confusion-of-the-first-billion-years-comes-into-view-20241009/ for a description of the JWST results, and https://www.quantamagazine.org/standard-model-of-cosmology-survives-jwsts-surprising-finds-20230120/ for a discussion of the impact on the standard model. The video has taken some early approximate results and extrapolated to "all cosmology is under threat". Your comment then overstates even that! There are challenging implications, particularly in the areas of galaxy formation and black holes, and there probably will be revisions needed, but that is normal science, not a collapse. There is plenty of well-confirmed evidence for the expanding universe. That in turn implies an origin, and there is a reasonable consensus on the timeframe involved (13.8 billion years). In one sense you are correct - we do not know what happened, because we weren't there.. There are a lot of clues though, and by piecing together information from many different sources we have the standard model. It is regularly revised as new evidence comes to light. The result is a fair way away from having "no idea" about the history of the cosmos.

So we presently have no idea if the universe is expanding, when it started, when time began, or if the big bang actually occurred. It maybe always existed. Who knows at the moment.

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There is a prayer at 1:09:00 to break curses off of you and your familiy.

No worries.

On this your point is well taken. That was a poor choice of words and I apologise.

Related topic on curses:

It might go better for you if you discontinue suggesting people who you disagree with are not sane.

This is not going well. I see small point in continuing.

Well lets dont cross the line of freindly discourse and start saying that the other is not sane. If you look at whats at stake here, my poistion is the sane position. And dont act as if you are open to objective debate, you are not. Your mind is closed and your poistion is not one that facts or evidence lead you to, its the one you choose. You might start by ackowledging that and stop the theatre that you are coming from some intellectual high ground, you are not, you are coming from a closed minded denial positon.

I accept that you are sincere and well intentioned. Not sane. Just sincere and well intentioned. No.

I love the Universal Life Church for many reasons. Gone are the prerequisites of having to follow indoctrinations of "Christian" religions that claim to know the Life of Jesus, that is, his first 12 years as a child, and ONLY the 3 years, from his ages 30-33, while daring to call his 18 adult years, from 12-30, and his lived experience post crucifixion apocryphal because what Jesus taught in those years does not agree with their human religious teachings. Most people today are not aware of the cult-like indoctrination that has taken place prior to the Old and New Testament writings. Jesus taught that there are 2 "Gods." Read John 8:44 without the usual spin most ministers, priests and rabbis usually spin to agree with their own comprehension, where verse 44 says: "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies." I know, this passage is usually followed by the manipulated truth twisting with which most faith believers are indoctrinated. I decided to take Jesus at his own words rather than follow popular understandings of most, if not all, bible teachings. When I realized that what I have read in the Old and New Testaments were changed, under the influence of fallen angel and Nephilim spirits, a different history comes to light. One look at what happened during the Crusades shows that the hijacking of religion for human greed and conquering of Jerusalem for supposedly holy purposes, shows just the opposite. Upon further investigation, I discovered that humanity combined the Almighty God of Creation, who is the Father of the Christ - Eternal Universal Life Force Energy within the person of Jesus; with the "god" of the Old Testament, who Jesus is calling "the devil" in John 8:44. Think of what the "god" of the Old Testament wants people to do in the Temple Scrolls, if they provide him with cooked bulls, goats, sheep, and birds, and saving the blood, he will kill all men, women, children, and animals in the land of Cannan. What good "God" would agree to kill the precious human creation that is animated by his Eternal Universal Life Force Energy within each human Spirit/Soul? Furthermore, what need would the Almighty God of all Creation have for food of any kind, or a Temple? Look at the size of the Temple as well as all ancient huge buildings, like at the Temple of Issis entrance. Who would need such mammoth structures? That would be the fallen angels and their huger than life Nephilim children. My husband, who is also a Universal Life Church minister, in writing his The Mustard Seed 2154 in his four-book series, (The Mustard Seed 2095, The Mustard Seed 2210, The Mustard Seed 2130, and The Mustard Seed 2154, which is currently being written) has an insightful thought. One of the lead characters is Michelle. "Michelle remembered when her friend Sophia had told her the words from the King James Bible. "Then the Lord said, 'My spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.' The spirit began to die at the outset of the twenty-first century," her friend had told her. She knew that humans were losing the spirit imbedded in them so long ago, the DNA of the gods. Its absence left a vacuum to be filled by no one knew what. She knew that when it was gone, humans would have returned to what they had been in the beginning, so much like the other animals. Instinct without empathy. Wisdom without love. Sophia's mistake." The belief in two "Gods" is not new, as some of our studies in the ULC Seminary explain. I am so glad the ULC is still here.

Id be happy to discuss this.

I would say you are selective in your definition of fear based content. You seem to see warnings of hell and references to hell as some kind of violation of your rights, when it is actually a kindness extended to you in a time where you can actually make a change.

Don't play with words. Fear based content. Terrorist threats. Perdition. Hell Fire. The meaning is clear enough. I'm not having it.

Well, ok,but.....do you pay your eletric bill? Do you change the filters in your air conditioner? Do you change the oil in your car/motorcycle engine? Do you also see the Second Law of Thermodynamics as "fear based content?" Seriously, some how you take the necessary steps to keep your lights on, your water on, and your equipment operating, right? Why dont you look at equipment manuals and utilitily statements as "fear based content?" Manuals use "Danger" to describe risk of death and equipment damage. "Warning" to describe risk of injury and damage. "Caution" to describe risk of damage.....what do you do, ignore that because its "fear based content?"

I have a friendly nature, much given to amiable discussion. What i'm not looking for is a religious argument or disputation. I have never seen anything good come from that stuff. I tell you that our basic understanding is not compatible. I regard the Bible as mythology. Not the inerrent Word. I am an Agnostic. Nothing about God is objective and verifiable. I am also an Apatheist. Some version of God could possibly exist. It's not worth arguing about. I ask again. Are you sure you want to do this? Nothing good comes from religious arguments. I think it's a mistake.

Id be glad to discuss this.

Welcome to the forum.

Just thought I would introduce myself. I am Dan and live in St. Louis, Missouri. I am a ULC minister as well as a certified Nursing Assistant, and am now available to officiate weddings here in St. Louis. I enjoy music, reading, cooking, travel, the outdoors, and would like to start my own Church that is open and affirming of all. You can text me at 314-798-2820 or email me at reschkedaniel5@gmail.com.

The invisible assumptions are clear enough. The Bible is referenced as the Word of God. Are you sure you want this discussion?

Yes. Just so.