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  2. Traditionalist Christianity showing its flaws here. No blame to you for being mislead by others. If the whole point of Christianity is to be Christ-like, why would God punish someone for making mistakes along the way? Also "forgiveness alone does not eliminate the consequences of an offense..." Whos forgiveness, God? But only God can judge the growth and status of the soul. No human being is wise or omniscient enough to correctly access the spiritual statue of another.
  3. You really do think just like your God. Or is it that your God thinks just like you? Who made that rule?
  4. Your conflating A&E with rape? That's does not correlate with any point I was making. The only fuzzy thinking is changing the narrative to something unrelated to the initial subject, which was forgiveness verses the consequences of sin. Point being, forgiveness alone does not eliminate the consequences of an offense, God could not be righteous if that were so.. i.e; It would be a sin for God not to punish sin.
  5. Yesterday
  6. You are conflating the Adam and Eve story with rape. Even for you, that is some fuzzy thinking.
  7. Thanks............ If a man rapes a woman, do you think God should just "let go of the issue"? You sympathy goes to the law breaker and never the victim, but a loving God can't ignore the victim at the expense of brown nosing her rapist.
  8. Assuming that God has actual existence. There is nothing verifiable.
  9. This is the result of man creating a God to fit its needs. The teachings of the Mother-Father God Jesus spoke of has devolved into this Christian "God".
  10. Such a God needs a lot of drama. Who is making these rules, that God must proceed in this manner? So much for God being all powerful. A God that is incapable of letting go of it's issues.
  11. I am going to assume you are referring to the Christian interpretation of God. Apparently it was to die for our sins, releasing us from the original sin of mankind from Adam and Eve.
  12. Last week
  13. In my book, God makes all the rules.... Its common sense that a wrong must be made right, otherwise God would not be righteous. If you cause damage, hurt others, or have evil intent, those things must all be accounted for.
  14. Just so. Nobody tells an Agnostic what to believe -- or disbelieve.
  15. It had nothing to do with forgiveness, the sacrifice was for the remission of sin. God did not have to do it, nor was it to appease God, but done out of love to sanctify us. God forgave people like King David in the old testament pre-Christ, but the damage (sin) wasn't dismissed until it was atoned for. i,e; You can forgive someone for denting your car, but forgiveness alone doesn't remove the dent, someone needs to pay for that. Christ simply paid the price to absolve us of sin.
  16. I don't know what happened to the old rams. They lost their horns and their minds. I think it's a warning and a lesson for Atheists. The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want. What did happen to those horns? They should maybe "grow a pair". Double meaning intended.
  17. Was already woke. But the levels of absurdity continues to surprise me. And I wouldn't be sure of the sheep taking their chances with wolves. as the wolves are merciless. But at least they'd give a good chase.
  18. An Addendum: The "fact" that God can't forgive -- without all this blood sacrifice and drama -- means that God is not all powerful. By definition, is not God.
  19. Because God said so? None of it makes any sense. At least, not to me. If you want to start opening cans of theological worms, there are worse things on that shelf. God impregnated Marry so that she could give birth -- to him. very creepy. Marry had to be a virgin, because -- sex is bad?
  20. Why did God have to send himself down to earth to be his son to sacrifice himself to himself to convince himself to forgive us?
  21. Yes. Paul, the big shot apostle, who never actually met Jesus. He had a "vision". Such claims carry no weight now. They didn't then. At least, not with the Jews of that time.
  22. Not defending one religion or another but Christian's use the book of Hebrews in order to convince Jews of their standpoint. The trouble is the only thing the book of Hebrews convinces them of is how little Paul actually knew about Judaism and how unlikely it is that he was schooled in Judaism as he claims.
  23. Just so. I have spent some time with one such group. There are different such groups. For me, the problem is reality. I care about such trivialities as truth and reality. I know what Hasidic Jews believe. I know what Christian Jews believe. In the end, they all go off the deep end. The Hasidim have a cultural authenticity behind them. Are they more in touch with reality? Or what's true? No. To my understanding, the opposing sides are engaged in competing fantasies. This makes it difficult for me to take sides. On a purely emotional level, I do find the Christian Jews m
  24. A few years ago I made contact with Jews for Jesus. I just found them more like a Christian evangelical church with a few Jewish trimmings but with no pretence at being part of Judaism. Just New Testament bible believing Christian's.
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  26. I minister on facebook and twitter when i can my goal is to volunteer as a chaplain in hospital or nursing home my pschiatrist says she will help me do it
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