Geordon

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About Geordon

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    Iconoclast, apologist
  • Birthday 04/14/1973

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  • Title, Name/Nickname
    Brother Shoshin
  • Gender
    Male
  • Marital Status
    Married
  • Location
    Northern Illinois

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  • MBTI
    INTP-A/-T
  • Interests
    Zombies, space opera, Buddhist teachings, emergency and disaster preparation. I have an unquenchable thirst for knowledge and information.
  • Pets / Animals
    One dog, Oni
  • Grateful For
    My loving wife and family
  • Your Motto
    Sentient beings are boundless: I vow to liberate them.
  • Doctrine /Affiliation
    Buddhist, Druid (OBOD), Devotee of Hekate

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    EMS Dispatch
  • Website URL
    http://betwixt-the-trees.us

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  1. When you consider that there is actually no central authority of Paganism, like there is with Judaism, Islam, and Christianity (all go back to Abraham, where most of the core doctrine comes from), it's not surprising at all. Rather, it's surprising that we can come together as well as we can at all! Lol You'd be surprised to learn how many contemporary military personnel are some variety of Pagan. The Evangelicals who have ben running the Chaplains' Corps for years have been fighting a losing battle against recognition of non-monotheists for decades. As for shaking things up, John Beckett has an interesting post on Patheos about this very thing: My Vision of a Pagan Future
  2. I've been absent for a while, due to both personal and reasons associated with the board. I did some digging the other night and I see that at some of the significant issues that I had with the board have been addressed to some extent. I'm back to give it another whirl. Believe it or not, both the Department of Defense (The U.S. Army Chaplains Guide to Wicca, Department of Defense adds Heathen and Pagan religions to recognized faith groups)and Veteran's Administration have been making inroads for the acceptance of various inclusions of Paganism from an official perspective: Multiple different Pagan symbols authorized for use on VA/DoD headstones, Circle Sanctuary Minister Becomes First Pagan VA Chaplain Resident. Both Circle Sanctuary and Sacred Well Congregation are recognized by the VA for being formally recognized Pagan clergy (lots of administrative ooga-booga as far as the VA and DoD go) training and ordination. That's required for access to VA hospitals in a professional Chaplain role. There is always less headache if there is no government involvement. Too much government involvement and we have the likes of Iran, with religious conservatives running the show. Too little involvement and there is no protection for minority sects. Hell, even the Bahá’í Faith is more protected in general than Paganism. Then again, it looks like Bahá’í is another manifestation of monotheism, so it's less of a challenge to wrap the head around. Anyway, in this day and age, Paganism needs government and societal recognition protection much the same way as Islam does. The only effective way for that to happen is for the Big Umbrella of Paganism to get it's collective ** together and realize that there is strength in numbers, even if the individuals are not in 100% agreement. Kind of like the Democratic Party in US government (he says while looking at his 2019 DNC membership card). To answer your question directly, most Pagans don't want to work together. They want to be left alone to do their own thing, which is a perfectly reasonable desire, but an immature and short-sighted one. I don't have any answers. I wish I did, but even IF I did, I don't have the Big Pagan Name to push it in front of other people... Nor do I have the energy that would require. But I know that there is movement in the Pagan community toward formal recognition in pursuit of equality. It's just taking time.
  3. Ok, that was quick. First, let me say that I define myself as follows: I am a Buddhist, a Druid, and a Devotee of Hekate. I would classify myself as a devotional hard polytheist, as I perform rites to Hekate and I view the many gods as separate individuals, discrete in and of themselves, rather than as different aspects of some amorphous universal Divine. Now, I originally took my ordination through ULC with the expectation that I would be available for my Pagan community in general. Most Pagans don't think that they need formal clergy since they mostly do things for and by themselves. Seasonal rites being an obvious one. I view the word "clergy" as being a general category denoting some sort of legal and/or formal recognition and training as well as informal education, as would be self-taught and "lay-leaders" in formal churches. Professional clergy is, in my mind, a phrase that covers two distinct types of religious figures: Those who lead congregations and write sermons ("pastors" in my book), and those who take care of the more spiritual needs of their congregants, like leading rites of passage and care of the ill and their families ("ministers" as I choose to call them). In the Pagan world, we have little in the way of formal education. Cherry Hill Seminary is pretty much the closest thing that we have. IMO, we *do* need some specific trained, professional clergy, so that we can "sit at the adults' table" along with the monotheists. We need people trained to work with people having a crisis of faith, having to deal with major life changes, etc. But, as Pagans are both distrustful of organized faith and authority, it's a fine line to walk. John Beckett is a UU Druid who posts frequently on Patheos. I don't always agree with him, but I definitely respect his work and writing. He wrote a blog post a few weeks back that pretty much works in concert with my own beliefs: 15 Roles of Pagan Priesthood – How Many Is Too Many?
  4. Speaking as a Pagan voice, I got tired of being ridden down and incessantly argued with by a handful of specific individuals on this board. The administration has gone absent, and one of the people who was (is?) one of the largest problems *is* the only active admin. When I addressed the issue with Andre directly, he basically washed his hands of it and said that if the forum was too much of a problem, he'd just kill it off. Now, that being said, let me read the article in question. Brb.
  5. Doctrinally, I don't think it is a change of course, but I would agree that it's a very welcome change of emphasis.

  6. Lighthearted my ass. That was a personal attack an you know it.
  7. That's why it's called "faith" rather than "fact."
  8. Got it in one! That was one of my favorite of his movies and characters. The movie was called "Bicentenial Man"
  9. You're trying to change the goalpost. I decline to address that attempt other than to call it out.
  10. Emphasis mine, and statement in italic added Faulty supposition: "If this were true, medical science would not exist." Science is based on, essentially, one question: "Why is that?" Medical science exists to learn, among other things, why and how disease processes work and how to make them stop causing disease to return the body to health. (Did that come out clearly?) The only way to determine which treatments helped your uncle physically recover would be to take samples of the cancer tissue and apply one treatment to each of them, and then take one additional sample and apply no treatment. This is science.
  11. Granted, but I don't know of another Guido Sarducci. 🤣
  12. Thou shalt not commit logical fallacies. Moving the Goalpost. I am both a man of faith (Buddhist, Hekatean, Druid) and a man of science. I do believe, but not in "your" (monotheistic) manner. I also do not try to convince others to believe the same way that I do, unlike many Christians. In order for me to "start believing" based on someone else's word, they would have to provide me with some sort of verifiable evidence that their deity exists. Given verifiable fact (see further: prove) that the Christian God exists, it would no longer be a matter of faith. Would it shake my world view? Definitely. But then again, consider Galileo. He was convicted of heresy for his suggestion that the Earth is not the center of the universe. He provided verifiable evidence that the Christian/Catholic doctrine was incorrect and he was cast out for it. Correlation does not imply causation. See also: Spurious Correlations. Not knowing you or your uncle, I'll concede that he had cancer, it got better, and he prayed to God. To your question about "what is this evidence of?" the answer is "nothing" The fact that his cancer got better is only fact that his cancer got better. That's it. One is glad to be of service. I appreciate you taking the time to review the links that I provide. Come now, you have been alive long enough to know that life isn't fair! I try to provide factual and provable statements that support my suppositions. I hope and encourage other people to do the same. When I do things like this, though, I am often accused of being unfair. Evidence ≠ fact (def. 1) in oh, so many cases
  13. Some of them (many? I don't know) don't even use critical thinking in the least. For example, I saw one a few days ago say that the rest of the planets are definitely spherical because we can directly observe them through telescopes, yet the Earth is obviously flat because of personal observation... ? SYNTAX ERROR ?