MASS DELIVERANCE: Win Worley sermon

[Coolhand]

On 6/18/2024 at 12:55 AM, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

I'm back on line after a few months. 

Where to begin?

 

No to fear based content.  No to the stories about Hell.  

 

Well, ok,but.....do you pay your eletric bill? Do you change the filters in your air conditioner? Do you change the oil in your car/motorcycle engine? Do you also see the Second Law of Thermodynamics as "fear based content?"

 

Seriously, some how you take the necessary steps to keep your lights on, your water on, and your equipment operating, right?

 

Why dont you look at equipment manuals and utilitily statements as "fear based content?"

 

Manuals use "Danger" to describe risk of death and equipment damage. "Warning" to describe risk of injury and damage. "Caution" to describe risk of damage.....what do you do, ignore that because its "fear based content?"

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

Don't play with words.

 

Fear based content.

 

Terrorist threats.

 

Perdition. 

 

Hell Fire. 

 

The meaning is clear enough.  I'm not having it.

[Coolhand]

I would say you are selective in your definition of fear based content.

 

You  seem to see warnings of hell and references to hell  as some kind of violation of your rights, when it is actually a kindness extended to you in a time where you can actually make a change. 

 

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

I accept that you are sincere and well intentioned.  Not sane.  Just sincere and well intentioned.

 

No.

[Coolhand]

23 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

I accept that you are sincere and well intentioned.  Not sane.  Just sincere and well intentioned.

 

No.

 

Well lets dont cross the line of freindly discourse and start saying that the other is not sane. If you look at whats at stake here, my poistion is the sane position.

 

And dont act as if you are open to objective debate, you are not. Your mind is closed and your poistion is not one that facts or evidence lead you to, its the one you choose. You might start by ackowledging that and stop the theatre that you are coming from some intellectual high ground, you are not, you are coming from a closed minded denial positon.

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

This is not going well.  I see small point in continuing.

[Coolhand]

3 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

This is not going well.  I see small point in continuing.

 

 

It might go better for you if you discontinue suggesting people who you disagree with are not sane.

[Coolhand]

Related topic on curses:

 

 

[Jonathan H. B. Lobl]

3 hours ago, Coolhand said:

 

 

It might go better for you if you discontinue suggesting people who you disagree with are not sane.

 

On this your point is well taken.  That was a poor choice of words and I apologise.

 

[Coolhand]

15 minutes ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:

 

On this your point is well taken.  That was a poor choice of words and I apologise.

 

 

No worries.

 

[Coolhand]

2 hours ago, Coolhand said:

Related topic on curses:

 

 

 

 

There is a prayer at 1:09:00 to break curses off of you and your familiy.

[Rev Denzel]

On 6/28/2024 at 2:15 PM, Coolhand said:

 

Well, ok,but.....do you pay your eletric bill? Do you change the filters in your air conditioner? Do you change the oil in your car/motorcycle engine? Do you also see the Second Law of Thermodynamics as "fear based content?"

 

Seriously, some how you take the necessary steps to keep your lights on, your water on, and your equipment operating, right?

 

Why dont you look at equipment manuals and utilitily statements as "fear based content?"

 

Manuals use "Danger" to describe risk of death and equipment damage. "Warning" to describe risk of injury and damage. "Caution" to describe risk of damage.....what do you do, ignore that because its "fear based content?"

This seems to be comparing apples and oranges, to me at least. Characterizing making sure to pay your bills and take care of your car, and scientific facts as fear based content is a bit off. I understand what Jonathon is saying, and in a way his interpretation has merit. I see the bible as 2 story lines essentially. Old and New Testaments. 
 

Personally I do not see the bible as fear based content once you read the New Testament. The way I interpret it, and I could be flawed in this, is that the New Testament gives us the New Covenant through Jesus, which kind of supersedes the Old Testament (Law of Moses) and focuses more on the spirit rather than the rules laid out in the Old Testament. 
 

It’s like raising your children, in a way. As parents, we’ve all given warnings(some outlandish) to keep our children safe and turn them into decent human beings. Later, they’ll see you said some crazy stuff to keep them in line(talking fear based warnings and such) and keep them safe, and they’ll learn as they go that some of it was exactly that. That’s how I interpret the Old and New Testaments. Old Testament is rules, warnings, threats of punishments, if you will, like for toddlers. New Testament is bringing it full circle to show your now teenaged child the best path to be a good human.
 

side note: 
 

Jesus says in John 4:21-24, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

 

I read this as the “Fire and Brimstone, Hellfire and Damnation” of the Old Testament is being replaced by the promise of Jesus’ message. One where temples and houses of worship are not the only place to seek God. 
 

Now, you may say I’m wrong and that Hell is warned about in the New Testament, and you’d be right! Jesus mentioned Hell more than any other person in the bible, characterizing it as not only a physical place of punishment for rebellion against God, but also a figurative place meaning God being absent from your life. But reconciliation with God is always possible! 
 

Just my interpretations on the matter.