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On 2/8/2020 at 7:43 PM, revkhbostic said:
Over this past week,an article stated the Honeybees which pollinate everything /Are loving the hemp and its bringing them back ,on the internet/{ just rechecked/ it was on Feb 1, it was on www.naturalnewa.com for the story/
The bees population has nosedived on account of the roundup pesticide produced by genetically altered corn that makes its own roundup.So maybe the hemp is turning on their 2ndary immune system to keep them alive..
Back before Hemp was outlawed,the seeds were sqeezed/extrusion process for the 33% oil content and added to cottonseed oil to make oil based paint instead of trying to get the money they get for /cbd oil medicinal prices...I also feel they could make hurricane lamp oil from it as well as cooking oil like soybean deep fry cooking oil.a more realistic price.,next to what
.rev khbostic
The decline has been for a few more reasons than the pesticide. Removal of habitats and climate change has also been a factor, among a few other points. I am happy nature has found a way of bouncing some back, though.
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Could someone DM me a link? As I'm not labeling myself anything at the moment, I am quite open to discussions to learn more.
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On 1/27/2020 at 9:41 PM, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:
My mistake. There is a lot of madness to keep track of.
Yes. I'll only say, without "devolving this thread into a political diatribe", more so in the last three years than I can recall in the 50+ years of my life. That, alone, scares the crap out of me.
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5 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:
Manslaughter? Maybe cover up. Or conspiracy. I suppose it depends on the D.A. Manslaughter would apply to abortion. Not miscarriage.
Uh, no. They passed a law there recently that states within that not only is abortion murder, but a miscarriage could come with a charge of manslaughter.
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Gee, hope none of those miscarriages happen in Alabama where those poor unwitting women would be charged with manslaughter for it.
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8 hours ago, Dan56 said:
The stiff penalties attached with the Law of Moses were answered by Christ, who became the curse of the law. So the change was not an agenda to appease anyone. It was never a democracy open to change, the strict enforcement of Mosaic Law was necessary to govern and preserve God's chosen people, to pave the way Messiah would come.
Two things about this comes to mind, Dan.
One, how do we know the Laws were given by God to Moses were there witnesses not of his circle? After all, he was then in a seat of power, so to speak. Or maybe the laws were dictated to the people by his "aides", with his trusting assumption they were telling what he received?
Second, I don't believe the Jews recognize the New Testament, with its attribution of authority given to Jesus. Thus, as "God's chosen people", they are still awaiting for a Messiah to come the first time. On this point, I could be mistaken, as I don't know anything about Judaism.
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On 1/22/2020 at 12:53 AM, Dan56 said:
Its what God ordained, so what ever I think is appropriate is irrelevant.. And remember, they didn't have the electric chair, gas chambers, or lethal injection back then.
Just to highlight another theory that's out there:
Dan, there are still many who don't think so at all. That the laws were written by men who then proclaimed it was "given" to them by God. In a time when it was blasphemy to question religious leaders on the subject of God with any doubt, which was generally punishable by death then, I don't think many would have argued against them.
Could be another reason some rules seem to have been relaxed after Jesus, too, because someone placed their own agenda in it to keep the masses in line via appeasement.
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On 1/23/2020 at 5:51 AM, Pete said:
When I was a child of two, I had poliomylites. It left me with some paralysis. The church said the reason I was still paralyzed in some muscles is because my parents did not believe strongly enough. It mattered little that the minister could not heal me either. Madness.
Horrible. True extreme of what faith can do. Yes, it's madness.
Such a shame that a faith would render its followers to be living back in the middle ages, before science could develop more effective medicine. Who really wants to live like that?
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3 hours ago, Pete said:
It's funny but it is not only religion that will fight fact. I studied NLP and hypnotherapy and there is this thing called self limiting beliefs. This is having a belief about ones limitations and holds one back from progress. I remember someone who also studied it, ask me why I had not cured someone with severe dementia using psychotherapuetic NLP. I pointed out that no one has found a psychotherapy that puts back the brain cells they had lost from dementia and without that psychotherapy could not help. Memories were often fleeting and remembering that they had seen me a few moments before had been forgotten. It is totally tragic. With that, my fellow student became cross and said it was my self limiting beliefs that was at fault. He just could not see the limitation that a reality check would bring that was beyond the psychotherapy. He wanted to believe he had the answer to everything and for him it was as a religion.
i found this insistence in a number of approaches that people had got excited about. You must believe something to make it real and happen. My usual approach was to say you can believe you can fly all you want but I still don't recommend jumping off high buildings. Some reality checks can be fatal if not painful.
What you mention goes to the core of what fundamental Christians rely upon. "When you ask, believe that you have received it, then you shall have it." Therefore, if you didn't get it, either your belief wasn't strong enough, or God, in His wisdom, knew that you shouldn't have or didn't need it. So, your argument was counter to his belief, not because it was factual, but because it was against his faith. (Assuming, of course, this was the case.)
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3 hours ago, YODA said:
You must have missed the point.
It wasn't about topic meandering.
I said what I meant to add, but since it was missed,
To wit:
Must every topic devolve into a political diatribe?
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There is enough of that elsewhere without having it everywhere.
I beg to differ. As I've read or been involved in many, if not "most", threads here, I do not see what you claim to be seeing. A few threads have, but not "every" one.
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Really was interested in watching this, but my attention span is shorter than the 47 minutes required. Could ya give the gist? Or have I heard it before...possibly here...often? 😉
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7 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:
Yes. Just so.
- Evidence that requires belief, is not evidence.
- Faith gets in the way. Flat Earthers, Creationists, etc. Pick your favorite example.
That takes us to direct observation.
- Christians are not more happy than everyone else. This much is obvious.
- Christians are not more ethical than everyone else. This much is painfully obvious.
- Christians are not more tolerant -- or respectful of difference -- than anybody else. Oh, please.
- Christians are not more loving than anybody else. This is why so many Atheists are in the closet.
These are statements made with such a broad stroke of your brush, Jonathan. While on the whole it may be a seeming truth, yet individually, not always so.
You may as well say that bankers aren't always good with money. Some are, some aren't.
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14 hours ago, Mikec3174 said:
RevBogovac;
Leading by Example is the key to it all? Helping one person at a time is just the start.
Best WishesWhen leading by example, you are helping more than one person at a time. It just depends on how many are paying attention. Helping others is secondary, while leading by example is the start.
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I kind of envy you guys. I work graveyard shift at a grocery store. My wife works as a caregiver during the day. It isn't often we get to share a day off to go on peaceful nature walks.
But a form of meditation for each of us are our hobbies. She does crafts, and can be lost in it for hours. (She's very talented, btw.) I play guitar. I'm self taught since age of 7, but can't play anything anyone might recognize. LOL
To be lost in the notes is very comforting to me, whether I'm playing a serenade for her, or just rocking out with wild abandon. Btw, I'm also hearing impaired, but for some reason tuning and playing are not a problem for me. Maybe it's the closeness of the sounds, eh.
Occasionally, I turn off my aids and enjoy the quiet. My wife hates that sometimes.
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20 hours ago, Pete said:
The dictionary describes spirituality as:-
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the quality of being concerned with the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things."the shift in priorities allows us to embrace our spirituality in a more profound wayHow would members describe it for themselves in a none religious sense?
I can't say that I really agree with this definition, either. I think, like the words God, spirit, or even soul, mean different things to different people.
I tend to think of spirituality as more of a heightened sense of awareness, whether of self or intangible connections to others, yet can't pin down an exact definition, nor a perfect example to present, myself.
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8 hours ago, Mikec3174 said:
It’s seems like you are not the only one who is having issues with logging it. I tried to log in with my user name and password also. When I do it tells me my user name or password is incorrect. But when I log in with my mobile phone it works? Just do not understand it!
Sounds a lot like problems I've had with sites that I've removed cookies from. Cookies are often used for a site to recognize a returning viewer's or user's device. Could be it, but am no techie, so not certain.
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2 minutes ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:
I'm considering the possibilities. Without faster than light travel (FTL) -- a simple visit could take hundreds of years. Tough on organic life. Not so much for A.I. Even if FTL is possible, it might be so costly or difficult, that it would only be used for high need. Nothing routine.
Even for an alien culture with super high tech; not everything that is possible will be practical.
Oh, I don't know the science of that. I'd have thought that it might be easier to accomplish through outer space, away from the pull of gravitational bodies.
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15 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:
1. All my life, Christians have been preaching at me. I have heard. Why do you suppose I never joined up?
2. Yes.
3. Pete is not offended by the Bible. Pete is offended by your use of the Bible.
4. Pete and I are both aware of the many contradictions in Scripture. There is no need to assemble them for us.
5. Yes. More of God not knowing.
6. Back to the perfect plan. I read the Book. They all fail.
To be fair, he did forewarn he was going to provide them, and gave you an invitation to stop reading the message at that point. Also, I do believe he was providing the passages for my benefit.
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17 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:
First, I said it could work. Not that it would work.
Second, If the aliens are a predator species, neither our beliefs nor our non-beliefs will matter.
For that matter, if the aliens are inclined to being peaceful -- neither our beliefs, nor non-beliefs, will count against us.
Finally, if the aliens are Atheists, there is at least a chance that they are rational or reasonable. This is unpredictable. Atheists only agree on one thing. Only the aliens would know, what they do believe -- or think -- about anything.
On the other hand, if the aliens are Monotheists -- there is a chance, that they will consider us to be the wrong kind of Monotheist. In which case, things could get ugly. Look at Earth history. First, the missionaries show up -- to teach the one true God. Then, things get nasty for the
locals, who don't join up. Sometimes, even then. Look what the Catholic Church did in Mexico. Or Japan.
If they resemble Buddhist monks -- teaching ideas of Dharma -- it could be a lot of fun. Maybe not good ideas, or useful -- but interesting. Or they could be great ideas. Until or unless it happens -- it's all pure speculation.
First contact might not even be with organic life. It could be with their A.I.
Oh, no. Could be V-ger looking for the creator! (Star Trek reference, in case you didn't know.)
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3 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:
A Pagan, who venerates Nature, might be compatible with alien visitors.
If both sides have many gods, that could also work.
If both sides are Atheist, that could also work.
Of course this would only work, with exception of atheist, if the aliens aren't a predatory species with no belief in religion. But if they are predatory, would it still be considered to be ideal as atheist?
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11 hours ago, Dan56 said:
God is infinite, but there's no definitive loop. You may be over thinking it. "Free will" and "Set in Stone" don't mix. Being made in the image of God, we make choices, we aren't programmed robots. For example; sin = death, but God intervened, so sin can be erased, therefore what would have been no longer needs to be. God chose not to control us, so our independent decisions are unknown, God is not omniscient in that respect. God doesn't want anyone to perish (2 Peter 3:9), but many will perish, God is not omnipotent in that respect. God knows the beginning from the end because He is the beginning and He will determine the end, but every choice we make in the interim isn't determined or known beforehand.
But there is. He knows all outcomes, regardless of any interventions on His part. Yes, we make decisions, but He knows before, during and after what they may be and how they result. He exists through all time, afterall. The "free will" is ours, or at least the illusion of it. Our decisions are unknown only to us until we make them.
To say our decisions are unknown to God, is to say He is truly not all knowing. Deductive reasoning does not make this statement as "overthinking it".
If He truly does not want anyone to perish, as an all powerful God, no one would.
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10 hours ago, Dan56 said:
All true... I never professed to fall in-line with traditional interpretations. I know you don't understand, but God knowing all things does not mean that all things known are set in stone. If God were unable to change whats foreknown, He could not be all powerful.. Not all animals of the world had to be saved in the flood, only the animals indigenous to the area being flooded. Its why you only see kangaroos in Australia. And Jesus made it abundantly clear that you either go on to eternal life or you perish, there's no eternal torture chamber, what goes into the Lake of Fire is permanently destroyed. If being heretical is not complying with Catholic doctrine, then I'm proud to be so.
If God is, as He says, the Alpha and the Omega. (The beginning and the end.) Then He is a state of an infinity loop. Meaning He does know everything. Every action and result. So, in a virtual sense, all things are set in stone.
And, as He is supposed to be all powerful, as nothing is supposed to be impossible with Him, He could intervene and change results He does not desire. Alas, as He is in an infinity loop, for Him nothing changes from His perspective, whereas for us everything does if He demonstrates His power. Which begs the question, "why should he care?"
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10 hours ago, Dan56 said:
True.... I'm not surprised that a nonbeliever would take issue with "no downside" to Christianity, but it shouldn't have been surprising that I'd explain why its not considered a downside to believers.
But said this to a non-believer as if it were meaning enough to believe. This in itself is a gauntlet in the face. A challenge to show the opposite is just as true. And it was taken up in like fashion. For you to be surprised also shows you lacked their perspective, as well.
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3 hours ago, Jonathan H. B. Lobl said:
So much for God being all knowing. This is heretical at the most basic level.
Was about to point that out, too. Guess I'm too slow for this race. 😉
Do They Really Believe That?
in Freethought, Secularism, No Religion
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Might not have even occurred to either of them, as one wouldn't really care to do it, and the other may have never gotten around to it.